It wasn't just "bad" it was obviously detrimental to the program to not make players lift.
If you thought S&C were out of sorts...
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It wasn't just "bad" it was obviously detrimental to the program to not make players lift.
Oh, I agree. But clearly they weren't not lifting at all. So there is a line.
HS whole different ballgame. To beat Auburn, you have to push the envelope of S&C.
The clean/power clean is not an Olympic lift- neither are Squats
and High School football is a much different game that BIG football
REst assured Bama and Penn State- Cleans and Squats are the most important lifts they are doing and they are priorities #1 and #2
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Nor did I say they were...And you kind of came off as a jackass right there. I don't think you meant it to be that way but you did.
I think teams should do any lifts that they think will make them better. Period.
Ugggg...I know. I was simply adding some info. Put your lifting chalk away and chill...take a swig from your gallon jug of water and relax
When we are talking specifically about Cleans and you say:
"I know that Bell West High School doesn't do any olympic lifts and they have been doing great"= one could assume since no mention of other lifts or olympic lifts were made- that you thought cleans were olympic lifts. No one had said the word Olympic Lifts- until you brought it up.
The only movements being discussed were jammers, cleans and maybe squats
None of those are olympic lifts- no olympic lifts were being discussed
Not sure how I could have thought differently. Lots of people have no clue what a clean is- have never done them. You dont see many people in gyms doing them Im guessing few people have ever done cleans or even seen them, They are great for football- but they do suck- when going heavy expect to throw up- Im simply amazed Frost can still do 300X5
The best college teams in the country- Bama- OSU are doing Cleans and Squats- we need to be doing Cleans and Squats- not what High School teams are doing
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I suppose you could have thought differently if you were smart? Could that be how?
My point was...teams do different things.
I wonder if Riley ever challenged any of his kids to be able to stick with him- race him on his bike ride home to the hotel?
Or try and stick with him during his pilates or yoga workout?
Im sure they would have been impressed
I think its wise to copy the best College Teams in the country
Not a High School team known for finesse and not much defense
You didnt know Clean wasnt an Olympic lift- no harm in that. It is part of an olympic lift- but it isnt one
Thanks! I appreciate your taking the time to PM me your apology. That is big of you.
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Not sure how that quote included- "but you were right" I didnt say that
You werent- a Clean is NOT an Olympic Lift
Never has been- never will be
Yeah but how's his snatch?
I like the idea of hybrid and electric cars but I hate the Prius. In-laws had one and I drove it from IL to NE a couple times. Never liked the layout of it, bad sight lines, no comfortable place to rest your arms, didn't like the display setups. But I also don't like the way Toyotas feel to drive in general. They offered it to us for free when they got their new Volt and I turned it down.
Sneakier problem with them is the maintenance. It's like $500 to put a headlight in them because you have to pull a bunch of crap out of it to get at the lamps.
But as a vehicle it's certainly not any more douchey than the guy who lifts his truck and puts the huge wheels on it yet never does any more off-roading than to occasionally park on the grass at a big event. And the greatest act of vehicular douchery in the world are these guys:
At the end of the day- what is going to give todays player more confidence
Playing for .500 coach:
Or playing for this guy- who won everywhere he's been and Cleans 300 lbs 5 times:
This is just my hunch, but when Riley was hired and all the players said "Who" and googled, yahoo'ed, ask jeeves, netscaped him...they were all probably very freaking underwhelmed.
At the end of the day I guessing playing for this guy:
https://www.google.com/search?q=sco...AUIDCgD&biw=1680&bih=919#imgrc=Dm5-vE9jiV-37M:
Will instill more confidence in the kids than playing for this guy:
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...MvZAhWI71MKHWJNCCcQMwg6KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8
https://www.google.com/search?q=sco...AUIDCgD&biw=1680&bih=919#imgrc=Dm5-vE9jiV-37M:
Will instill more confidence in the kids than playing for this guy:
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...MvZAhWI71MKHWJNCCcQMwg6KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8
IDGAF what he lifts as long as he wins. They're not gonna bring a bar and plates out to the 50 yard line in Indy and make him and Urban do power cleans for the B1G title.At the end of the day- what is going to give todays player more confidence
Playing for .500 coach:
Or playing for this guy- who won everywhere he's been and Cleans 300 lbs 5 times:
The players will be accountable to whoever holds them accountable and they'll win games for whoever recruits, trains and coaches players the best way. It's got nothing to do with whether Frost rolls up in some 70s muscle car.
Frank Solich did a lot of push-ups. How's his head coaching career, pretty stellar?
The micro-analysis about tiny aspects of somebody's personality that takes place on this board, sweet Jesus. People talk on here like some guy can never get a 4* player because his shoes aren't cool enough.
It goes to credibilty- respect of his players
Which is important- if you want kids to buy in and follow you
The kids TOTALLY respect a guy that can come in and outlift them at age 42
It means hes a legit athlete- and one that STILL works hard on the weights AND the lift they probably all HATE the most
Same for someone that can still run the Scout Team
It matters, it does
Football is a very physical and extremely violent game- it isnt for the faint of heart
Do you really think the players respected smilin mike behind his back?
I didnt see any tearful farewells from his players after he got fired
Zack Darlington played for him for 3 years and he mentioned everyone but Riley in his signing off statement
Which is important- if you want kids to buy in and follow you
The kids TOTALLY respect a guy that can come in and outlift them at age 42
It means hes a legit athlete- and one that STILL works hard on the weights AND the lift they probably all HATE the most
Same for someone that can still run the Scout Team
It matters, it does
Football is a very physical and extremely violent game- it isnt for the faint of heart
Do you really think the players respected smilin mike behind his back?
I didnt see any tearful farewells from his players after he got fired
Zack Darlington played for him for 3 years and he mentioned everyone but Riley in his signing off statement
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That's why I drive a 1st generation Prius (actually have 3 of them). The body style is just like any other small car.
Headlights are easily changed in any Prius if you have any mechanical ability.
Ok, you're 100% right. And it was all because he rode a bike, not because they were losing a bunch of games. If Riley lifted more weights they for sure would have won the B1G and he'd still have a job.
hey if youre a 63 year old guy who rides a bike to work with the oversized helmet and have 3 priuses- and talk like Mr Rodgers and havent been able to lift your own body weight since the 6th grade- more power to you-
No need to get uptight about it
Doesnt make you a bad person- you could be an awesome person
Just someone most DI college football players, playing a very physical and violent sport- arent going to be anxious to follow- especially when they check the internet and see you are a .500 coach from the least physical conference in the country
You must be talking about someone else
I dont use PM
And no need to apologise- you were wrong- no sin in not knowing what classifications lifts are in- lots of people dont know- now you do- move on
Ok I doubt Frost will be cleaning 300 pounds in his 50s or 60s. That doesn't matter.
Getting them motivated does. There are plenty of coaches who can do that without being physical freaks.
Riley couldn't. We know.
Getting them motivated does. There are plenty of coaches who can do that without being physical freaks.
Riley couldn't. We know.
"You can't be soft spoken or old and expect to have success coaching D1 athletes." - Tom Osborne
"A coach has to be in peak physical condition himself or his players will never respect him and he won't win." - Bobby Bowden
It's a fun factoid that Frost is still a beast. It's a cool parlor trick for when he wants to gas up his players. It's good for his health. It was fun to watch him run scout team during GaTech week. All fine and well.
It has virtually zero impact on whether or not he will put trophies on shelves at NU. He'd be the first to tell you that.
Players don't comply with you because of how much you as the HC can lift. They comply because of consequences for their lack of compliance. Frost himself has said over and over that leadership has to come from the players, that they need to police themselves.
By all means, remind me what position Belichik played at a high level and how much he squats in order to be respected. Or maybe, just maybe, it's that on his team if you don't follow the rules down to the letter you get benched or traded and that's why the Patriots have been a well-oiled machine for the better part of two decades.
Again, I appreciate what you did. You learned something today and were able to admit a mistake.
Let me know if you need help running your wedge
Ive met and spent time in private meetings with both TO and Bobby Bowden
Both had a very commanding presence and both were accomplished athletes- TO played in the NFL and was Nebraskas Athlete of the Year
While TO was soft spoken- he was a very fiery competitor and all of his players will tell you- he had bad cops like Charlie McBride doing some of his dirty work
I didnt meet Bobby B until he was in his early 70s or late 60s, but he was still sharp as a tack - commanding presence and surprisingly short- but still fit. When I met him he had driven from Tallahassee to Orlando- which has to be something like a 4 hour drive- to make a 7 am breakfast- our meeting was after that. So hard working- driven guy.
Amazing guy- LOVEs NU and Coach Osborne
He was an accomplished athlete and played QB at Alabama. By the time I met Coach Bowden he was just a figurehead according to my friend Steve Nicholas down in Jupiter- FL- ex FSU receiver- big contributor- nephew in the program (Nick Oleary), good buddies with Jimbo etc
Much different fellas than MR
And of course they both had a history of winning at every stop
For college kids- stuff like this matters- definitely a plus
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I would never bag on a Prius, driven them as rental cars and they were OK to get around. However, nothing beats the character and feel of my Olds 98 in my sig pic. Eight MPG Olds 455 rocket powering a 5000 lb car. Trunk big enough to get 3 teenagers into the drive in (if there were drive ins any more). Gas tank vents to atmosphere. PVC vents to air cleaner, but the atmosphere when engine not running. No catalytic converter. A/C blows super-cold using R-12 refrigerant. Those were the days.
Rent a Prius on purpose and not when its the ONLY car left to rent and its 5 minutes until the rental place is supposed to close??
Is saving $3.48 on gas more important than being comfortable and having a little juice to get you out of trouble if you need it really worth it? Are you going to save the world by using a couple of gallons less of gas on a 1-2 day rental?
I rent cars all the time-
The way I look at- it's work- time away from the family- It's time to live a little, treat yourself
Later in the day is better- lots of free upgrades- if you are midrange customer- nice/accomodating and not afraid to ask.
Is saving $3.48 on gas more important than being comfortable and having a little juice to get you out of trouble if you need it really worth it? Are you going to save the world by using a couple of gallons less of gas on a 1-2 day rental?
I rent cars all the time-
The way I look at- it's work- time away from the family- It's time to live a little, treat yourself
Later in the day is better- lots of free upgrades- if you are midrange customer- nice/accomodating and not afraid to ask.
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I'm really glad to see we can now add to our list of reasons to have pride in the Frost hiring is that he could beat up a 63 year old, bike riding, Prius driving, soft old man.
Very weird indeed. Riley's age, weightlifting stats and auto preferences have nothing to do with the fact that he was an unsuitable HC at NU.
And nothing to do with Frost’s merits!
I worry what might happen to some on here if they simply could not find any more dead horses to beat. Would they be able to make the intial point—the one worth making—at all?
The players perception of the coach- his credibility is important
Osborne is impressive- owns the room
Played in the NFL
CONSISTENT WINNER
Healthy- Athletic
You dont think Frost energy and still great athletic ability isnt impressive to these kids? Then you just dont understand or work with athletes much
Riley
63- looks older
Haggard looking
Unathletic- hunchback
Whimp- by any definition- even from his supporters
Talks like Mr Rodgers
Career ,500 coach
You dont think kids dont value Frost more?
They dont listen closer to him?
They dont relate better to him?
Wow
Kids these days dont say how high when you say jump
They are looking for a reason to believe or not believe you.
They are belleving Frost before Riley and his athleticism- record, mannerisms, voice and whimpiness MATTER
I guarantee those kids didnt respect Mike Riley- none of them were helping him fight for his job
If you ride a bike and own a Prius- or talk like Mr Rodgers and never lifted a weight in your life- no need to take offense- take it personal- doesnt mean you are a bad person. Kids these days respect a Frost WAY more than they do a Riley- partly based on what I said AND IT MATTERS
Osborne is impressive- owns the room
Played in the NFL
CONSISTENT WINNER
Healthy- Athletic
You dont think Frost energy and still great athletic ability isnt impressive to these kids? Then you just dont understand or work with athletes much
Riley
63- looks older
Haggard looking
Unathletic- hunchback
Whimp- by any definition- even from his supporters
Talks like Mr Rodgers
Career ,500 coach
You dont think kids dont value Frost more?
They dont listen closer to him?
They dont relate better to him?
Wow
Kids these days dont say how high when you say jump
They are looking for a reason to believe or not believe you.
They are belleving Frost before Riley and his athleticism- record, mannerisms, voice and whimpiness MATTER
I guarantee those kids didnt respect Mike Riley- none of them were helping him fight for his job
If you ride a bike and own a Prius- or talk like Mr Rodgers and never lifted a weight in your life- no need to take offense- take it personal- doesnt mean you are a bad person. Kids these days respect a Frost WAY more than they do a Riley- partly based on what I said AND IT MATTERS
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I believe it is time for Boyd to ride off into the sunset and let Duval have complete control of this program. There is a reason the baseball team didn't really want Boyd involved with their strength program. After TO retired, our strength and conditioning program really started to fall off as Boyd was more worried about selling his programs and equipment to make a dollar than he was about the Husker program. People complain about all of the soft tissue injuries the last couple years under MP only to forget that there were some serious injuries because of Boyd's lifting program(Athletic Pubalgia) in the early 2000's. Boyd's programs were cutting edge back in the day and it looks like ZD has taken his program from his and expanded on it. I love Boyd for what he did, but I think that this has passed him by.
