Incorrect, sir! JAMES BROWN! (Michael Jackson was a hell of a performer and possibly a monster, but I think James Brown was probably even more talented.)
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Incorrect, sir! JAMES BROWN! (Michael Jackson was a hell of a performer and possibly a monster, but I think James Brown was probably even more talented.)
I had something at the very end of December, early January. Fit the bill of everything described. Couldn't keep my eyes open, shortness of breath, stayed on the couch covered up taking uncommanded naps.once I was on my feet again, I'd get winded doing minor activity for the next two weeks. Never was tested or went to the doctor.
I had something similar in December/ January. Started about Dec 23rd, got real bad from the 27th to 3rd. Then went to the doctor on the 6th and was diagnosed with bronchitis.
my wife and I have the antibodies and are both asymptomatic . . . every doctor we have talked to says sheltering in place doesn't fix the problem, it makes it worse . . . and if you have a scientific mind that will make sense to you . . .
not necessarily for you, but clearly there are some mathematicians on this forum. You may be one also, I don't want to insult your intelligence. I just know that I am not that dude.
Assuming the close quarters of a meat packing plant like Tyson was the norm, 1100 people, 200 positive tests and 1 with symptoms (systems for my boy in Chitown). What does that look like for a population of 330 million? How many positives, how many with with symptoms and even with death rate of .05% which is probably inflated, what do those numbers look like?
Thanks in advance!!
So even with my remedial math skills, I have concluded that because no one died in the meat packing plant that it would be impossible to figure out the death rate with any sort of accuracy. I am getting that 30,000 will die from the virus, if the numbers were extrapolated out from the Tyson numbers. Clearly that doesn't take into account the folks that are approximately 65 and older, who account for a majority of the COVID deaths.
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Vitamin D has been shown in at least one study to dramatically lower the seriousness of generic respiratory infections. Zinc and C are just common sense. Vitamin C is important for chemotaxis and phagocytosis by WBCs (i.e. immune function). Zn plays a role with this specific virus but I don't believe anybody has had a chance to do any real studies with Zinc or Vitamin C. Vitamin D has shown to be low in a large percentage of fatal COVID infections. Tough to prove the significance without doing a study with controls. It's just common sense that things that are essential to the function of your immune system NEED to be at adequate levels. Eat red meat, get some Vitamin C and at least 45 minutes of direct sunlight on some bare skin everyday and you should be good to go.
On the one cruise ship that was quarantined for weeks they only ended up with about a 20% infection rate. I don't believe they did antibody testing to check for exposure without illness. The lion's share of the passengers were elderly to VERY elderly. The flip side of that is that in some European regions which supposedly are doing so much better than us, they've shown 60 to 70% of their population had been exposed via serology. There's no way in hell that they tested even a fraction of their positive cases when things were so hot and heavy for them. IMO, in Italy at the very least they've reached a population immunity which has dramatically slowed the spread. "Somebody" keeps posting a comedy show's chart showing how poorly the U.S. is doing. LOL. The best line I ever heard about disease statistics and computers was, "Shit in. Shit out".
I’m actually using this post as an example for a number of my German and Belgian friends when explaining to them why the virus is out control in the US. They just weren’t getting it until they read this and a couple other similar ones.. thanks for posting....
And we also live in society which clings to this mantra as rational and logical . . . "if we save one life shutting down our state, it will have been worth it . . . " (said by an actual governor in the northeast)
Using that logic none of us should ever ride in a car or plane or train. Proportionality and risk vs reward no longer exists in the USA.
Great fear porn and propaganda. Totally contradicts decades of virus knowledge, but it's new and we just don't know.
you mean like the viruses that cause the common cold - one of which is a coronavirus - how has that worked out out for a durable antibody response? Or influenza, which has a different strain every year - no durable antibody response - needs a new vaccine each year.
Just heard a story on the radio yesterday that in the serological studies they're doing in New York, the Bronx has a greater than 70% positive result via serology. Cumo said "we've tamed the beast. We can begin opening up." He and Deblasio screwed this up royally. They made just about every wrong move you could make.
interesting - haven’t seen #s of antibody reports in that neighborhood previously
would love to see the paper/report if you have access.
The problem in comparing those viruses and this one is that they're very different. There are MULTIPLE respiratory viruses that cause "colds". In fact there is some belief that having recently had a Corona virus "cold" has offered protection against severe illness in thousands if not millions of people. Maybe that's why we've got such a huge number of asymptomatic positive people. The odds are that when we deliver a vaccine that it will be effective against this NOVEL Corona virus for as long as it hangs around. The things that make this virus virulent are the antigens they're using to formulate the vaccines.
Why do you keep coming up with these half truths to pester people with? Influenza does not always have a different strain every year and Corona viruses are a way different beast than influenza. The problem with influenza is that there are multiple known strains that mutate pretty readily (and are all virulent). Again, in animals, there are vaccines against different virulent Corona viruses and they have been effective for decades in multiple cases. Maybe someday we'll have to make a vaccine against a new NOVEL Corona virus. Given the history of human Corona viruses I'm pretty sure that I'll have died of old age before that happens. Let's worry about that after we get through this one.
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There have been multiple reports on serological positive prevalence where they tested some regions in Germany and Italy. The studies I've read in those cases were both in that 70% range. The one for the Bronx I just caught a blurb on the radio. I don't know if that one has been published anywhere or not. It would be pretty embarrassing on one hand for New York City but on the other hand if true they should just open up wide and roll on because they're likely at a population immunity threshold. I'll do some digging and see if I can confirm the report on the Bronx serology.
Interesting - would love to read those reports as well - haven’t been able to find - if you could share i would appreciate it- thanks
There's multiple reports on CNBC etal that on 6/16 the positive prevalence was 33% in the Bronx. (Edit: I've determined that is a rereporting of information from April) I would assume that the report I heard either this morning or yesterday on the radio is more recent information. I think it was this morning. I would assume that they're doing serology on people not previously tested and known to have the disease so the 33% would need to be added to their known antigen test positive numbers.
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Correction. On APRIL 23rd the NYTimes reported an infection rate of 20% in New York City via antibody serology as announced by Cuomo.. That's the same number the 6/16 story was using for New York City overall. So, I believe that CNBC was reporting very old information. I haven't found a source yet for a new serological positive prevalence rate yet for the Bronx.
Edit: I remember the radio host said that he is a New York City resident but he wasn't somebody I'm familiar with. I'm guessing that he has a source with the most recent statistics on testing that hasn't been released yet because I can't find any published studies yet. I would suspect that somebody at Columbia University College of Medicine is doing studies like that by now.
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how much virus knowledge is there when it's man made? this has 4 rna inserts in it from the HIV virus. this is not a natural virus and it is new, hence why they are calling 'novel'.
February. 17 yr old son...worst eater, skinny and picky had a 9-10 day fever, fatigue and pneumonia symptoms. Tested negative for influenza A and B. Three other kids had what we would have considered normal cold/flu symptoms. Wife had crazy fatigue spells off and on (not merely after my manly advances, btw) for 36 hours. I just had my annual upper respiratory/allergy infection, however, it lasted about 10 days, rather than the usual 5. It was a blessing though. My voice got low enough to easily sing the lowest notes in "Where Do the Children Play?" by Cat Stevens. Also nailed the bass on, "Elvira", by the Oak Ridge Boys. If that was Covid, it was good to me!
I would like to see some detail serology tests from around the nation.
If we are at 70% previously infected (assuming a decent amount of immunity from the antibodies), we are in good shape.
If we are at 7% previously infected, we are in for a rough stretch as we are just getting started.
I have signed up to give Blood in July when I am able to give blood and the Red cross is giving antibody tests when you give blood...so I will be interested to see if the the cough I had for three weeks in March happened to be the Covid.
If we are at 70% previously infected (assuming a decent amount of immunity from the antibodies), we are in good shape.
If we are at 7% previously infected, we are in for a rough stretch as we are just getting started.
I have signed up to give Blood in July when I am able to give blood and the Red cross is giving antibody tests when you give blood...so I will be interested to see if the the cough I had for three weeks in March happened to be the Covid.
As opposed to the water cooler? or a football message board? ha ha ha
Or better yet, the "media" lol
Your doctors should be fired. Where are they? I’m a physician n the east coat and sheltering in place decreased new infections significantly, in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, etc. I see what you may be trying to emulate in that spread indoors is greater than outside though.
Drinking bleach can also cure the virus, right? Please find appropriate studies. Follow this guy’s research. Yes sorry it’s from cnn
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ajgenbaum-drug-review-scn-wellness/index.html
Not even close to 70%. Read the Stanford study from a few weeks ago. Testing suggests less than 10% but it’s Cali I think.
I read multiple studies and reports from the CDC etal chump. A member of my household treats vent patients with COVID and is an international speaker. IF one really wanted to slow the virus down in New York City why in the hell did they leave the subways open? IF you're a Dr. you're one of the dumbest ones I've seen. IN APRIL the Bronx had a 33% seropositive rate per Cuomo, the NYTimes etc .. It is completely logical that they're now at 70%. THAT wouldn't fit the narrative of the CNN or Cuomo so I bet we never see it reported. Hopefully Columbia eventually publishes whatever data they collect.
It's interesting that the cities who are seeing the surge in cases in young people are also the cities who had large numbers of screaming protesters walking shoulder to shoulder several weeks ago......
Stanford's study from almost 2 months ago isn't current but the national known positive rate is probably closer to 10% now. In urban areas the number probably actually ranges from 15 to 70% now. People who don't live piled on top of each other like rats in New York and who haven't been out tearing down statues and burning stores, are at a much lower risk level of transmission.
The country as a whole is probably not much more than 10-15%. Central urban areas with heavy mass transit and minority populations are much much higher than that for various reasons. One of the reasons has been the protests. The media wants to blame beaches and bars but there's no way in hell that accounts for the number of 15-25 year olds showing up positive now in urban areas while small cities in the midwest with open bars and very small protests are seeing nothing from that group.
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Stanford's study from almost 2 months ago isn't current but the national known positive rate is probably closer to 10% now. In urban areas the number probably actually ranges from 15 to 70% now. People who don't live piled on top of each other like rats in New York and who haven't been out tearing down statues and burning stores, are at a much lower risk level of transmission.
like rats ???
people who live in congested areas or have multiple family members in a small home are somehow at fault or are"like rats"???
let's not refer to a group of people as "rats"
yes - those who live in less populated congested areas are fortunate to benefit from a degree of built-in geographic social distancing -
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Not sure if its true but I read the test is a genetic based test which is why there are so many false positives. Not sure if it's true or not.
I'm not entirely sure the virus is any worse than a bad flu and the government is using it as an opportunity to gain more control. By keeping us in house arrest, destroying small business, censoring anything against the narrative, and making us dependent on a pittance to survive from the government.
I'm not entirely sure the virus is any worse than a bad flu and the government is using it as an opportunity to gain more control. By keeping us in house arrest, destroying small business, censoring anything against the narrative, and making us dependent on a pittance to survive from the government.
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I just read an article that a University of Maryland study did a test of 3000 health care workers and only found that 2% had the antibodies.
Good news, the virus isn't burning through the population.
Bad News, the virus has many people still to infect.
We need more of these studies to help businesses/schools determine next steps.
Good news, the virus isn't burning through the population.
Bad News, the virus has many people still to infect.
We need more of these studies to help businesses/schools determine next steps.
Yes. People in the Bronx and areas like the Back Bay district of downtown Boston live exactly like rats. Have you stayed in an apartment building in Boston? I have. Their tunnels are stairwells and elevators. MOST choose to live that way for whatever reason.
I would be interested to see the date that study was actually done versus when it was published. That matters immensely. That said, healthcare workers are generally smarter than the average citizen about disease transmission and have better hygiene.
It’s true.... my cousin lives in Manhattan (dad is MD) and my sister lived in NYC for 3 years. Long story short my cousin showed us video of her “upscale” apt and it was a joke—- elevators gross, stairwells gross, no room to store goods so u had to go to store every 3-5 days. Both of them stated it was no shock Virus spread—-also Dingle is right- waiting 7-8 weeks to clean subway is bordline criminal
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