Man just pouring salt on an open wound. It's like finding out that you have cancer and then told that your dog died.
Btw I know you're just the messager @Pennsyhusker so even though it's not great news, thank for sharing.
Coach Williams in big time trouble now....
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Btw I know you're just the messager @Pennsyhusker so even though it's not great news, thank for sharing.
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So it is your opinion that grown-ass men need babysitters, and should not be responsible for their actions because they coach a sport. Or is there any other nonsense you can throw around?
I see the glass house stone throwing competition is just as bad over here as it is on RSS.
Let's face it out program was just punched with a Huge Big Black eye.
How we come out of this will fall on what Riley what he decides to do replacing a Coach that was well liked and respected up to this point.
What happens next first SF getting killed in a terrible auto accident now our Receivers Coach get's his 3 DUI.
How we come out of this will fall on what Riley what he decides to do replacing a Coach that was well liked and respected up to this point.
What happens next first SF getting killed in a terrible auto accident now our Receivers Coach get's his 3 DUI.
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I can and will judge someone who has a 3rd dui, caught because they got in an accident, and did it while operating a vehicle at a agravated level.
But hey... at least he didn't kill anybody, so there's that!
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That's not surprising coming from the guy who loves to judge and personally attack others on a message board.
It so entertaining reading everyone's post. While troubling its not the end of Nebraska Football. This program has to be bigger than one person. Believe it or not, Williams didn't invent the forward pass. There are dozens of Coaches of his caliber. My guess is he will be suspended the 2016-2017 season with strict guidelines to meet diring that time. If he can meet the demands than he can be reinstated. Fail, then he will be relieved of his duties. Frankly, i think he will have trouble not being "the man" and will likely bolt for someone that will give him a chance.
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Aww... when reality hits and you moved into modern times, you may some day realize just because he coaches football that he is not avove the law.
I don't think anybody is saying Williams shouldn't take responsibility. Just how is that responsibility going to be taken? Different opinions obviously and not all are wrong one way or another.
And yes, sometimes grown adults need babysitting and even so they can continue to be productive citizens and good role models. Sometimes that babysitting is what they need.
Not saying that will be the case with Williams, but I'm also not ruling out that he can accomplish something good either.
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anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi
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As a mod, you really should refrain from calling out others or holding grudges. But hey, whatever you need to do.
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I have always been pretty consistent on this issue. If it happens more than once, it is my belief they don't understand the severity of their actions. I don't care at all if he got s-faced every night. That changes when he gets behind the wheel. But the whole "needs help" is a built-in excuse to me. He made the decision to keep doing it. Him and him alone.
Can the program survive this? I mean do you think the NCAA gets involved? Is this something where we could face serious sanctions?
It appears its been ten years; that is probably a big factor. Especially with the jurisdiction issue also; but a lot of it is probably policy , as has been mentioned..... If there is discretion; he may end up in a diversion program. The demands would be tight; so wishing him the best outcome. And many other addictions have been offered chances ; and not been immediately destroyed, when they needed help most. He could be a great spokesman and turn this around.
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Of course the program will "survive". But I guess making jokes about a discussion of a pretty serious incident by one of our top assistants is the thing to do.
How does Nebraska know the accused has convictions in other states? Do all states participate in some kind of data base?
15 years look back is a long time. It was 3 years in California, then in the late 90's they changed it to 10. I know that because someone I know got a second after 10 years and it was technically a "first offense", but the DA did something so the prior put in place an "enhancement", like I think more fine and maybe he got more time in mandatory classes. The only people stylin are the ones with no licenses, they get deported with no fine or jail and come back the next week, but CA is trying to avoid that by issuing licenses to illegal aliens.
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It might not his call, but it would look best for the program that he takes the mic and is the stand up guy. He can't afford to lose the conservative fan base especially with some of stuff that transpired from Oregon State. He needs to come across that players and coaches are held up to a higher standard than the average Joe.
I agree with you being consistent, I was meaning to question that. All I'm saying is that it's possible that you may be wrong about Williams if he's allowed to stay.
Not saying you are wrong, just that it's a possibility.
For me, it'd be nice to know what the stipulations were for Williams, if any concerning alcohol, when he was first hired on. If there were and he clearly broke those, then for sure let him go and if he is allowed to stay it'd be tough for me to stand behind that decision.
If no stipulations were set, I'd understand why they'd let him go still. But would also understand why they didn't.
We don't need to be playing the "woe is us" routine. First of all, Sam Foltz's death and this are not even on the same planet in terms of importance and how they impact the program, so I don't think they should even be mentioned together. Second of all, as to Keith Williams' situation, there are other programs out there dealing with worse stuff than that. We'll get through this all just fine-not that there may not be some negative consequences in the long run, but we don't need to be feeling sorry for ourselves.Let's face it out program was just punched with a Huge Big Black eye.
How we come out of this will fall on what Riley what he decides to do replacing a Coach that was well liked and respected up to this point.
What happens next first SF getting killed in a terrible auto accident now our Receivers Coach get's his 3 DUI.
I could swear the mobile version I read on my phone listed it. Anyway, my department policies:
We do count convictions in other states, within 15 years.
If a person has two prior convictions (at any BAC level) and the third offense is has a chemical test (legal breath test) of .15, that is a class IIIA Felony. Redlaw mentions in a post in page 4 about his potential sentence even if he gets probation, which matches the numbers in the bottom of page 3.
http://www.transportation.nebraska.gov/nohs/pdf/al3dwi.pdf
Some of the articles I read had wording that he was "being held until court on Monday" which would indicate he could not bond out. If he was facing all misdemeanors, he can not be held without bond. There are rare exceptions, but when facing a felony you can't bond out.
Crappy deal all the way around.
That's what I was wondering. Where was he before this? Ugh.
I'm confused by this statement. Why should college football players be held to higher standards than any other college student or any other person in Nebraska, USA, the world, etc? Same for the coaches, they shouldn't be held to a higher standard than me. Nor should I be held to a higher standard then them.
If Tom can keep Phillips, Washington, Peter, etc without losing the 'conservative fan base' I'm pretty certain Riley can keep Williams.
Also what 'stuff' at Oregon State? Brenda Tracy and the sexual assault incident? That has been resolved by Mike Riley, Ms. Tracy towards Mike Riley, both universities and I'm pretty certain 99.9% of the fan base.
Got your drift, but when you say,
does that mean we're not offering enough? Time to pony up
Just curious if you practice in Lancaster county? If so, what do you think of his chances?
Wow. Six pages. This whole thing seems surreal. I can't imagine a worse turn of events and yet, here we are.
Most, if not all, law enforcement and prosecutor offices have access to in and out-of-state arrest and conviction records of some sort (NCJIS system in Nebraska). I believe, but I could be wrong, that a national database is maintained in part by the FBI. It's not uncommon for out-of-state convictions not to appear on a client's criminal history when defense counsel receives it. This is especially common with DUI's, where a prior may have been prosecuted by a municipality under a city ordinance rather than by a state prosecutor under state statute. However, oftentimes those municipal convictions are not constitutionally applicable for enhancement purposes anyway as municipal court judges have a tendency to be more cavalier with an accused's right to counsel.
