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Coach Williams in big time trouble now....

Good thing he doesnt live in AZ, he would be screwed and tattooed with very little hope. .15 is bad, .15 on a third offense is mandatory prison here in AZ. Nebraska allows pleas though but I doubt it helps him much, you arent pleaing a third offense at .15 down to reckless driving.
 
mwulf said:
i bet he stays and basically has to live like a mormon to do so
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They would have to hire a driver for him on recruiting visits or have the recruits and/or their parents pick him up at the airport

Will be surprised if this WR class stays intact.
 
jlb321 said:
They would have to hire a driver for him on recruiting visits or have the recruits and/or their parents pick him up at the airport

Will be surprised if this WR class stays intact.
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Anything they would have to do should be taken from his salary
 
rrthusker said:
Overreact much?
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Pretty sure the answer is yes.

Incidentally, I was at practice the other day and would you believe Dr Route wouldn't let his receivers catch with both hands? Nope, whenever they did he had them run laps. Only good catches were one handed catches. Just like he coaches them. Always.
 
I think this really hurts. I personally have zero tolerance for drinking and driving so I do hope he's gone. However, I expect he'll stay. I don't think we'll get the WR class we were hoping for however.
 
JohnRossEwing said:
You think that 20 years ago this is just "covered up" or not so much?
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We don't know, so don't speculate that crap.

What we do know is that the courts are going to make this very easy for Nebraska. If he's guilty, he's fired. It's just the way it's going to be, especially since there will probably be jail. Of course if he happens to weasel his way out of it and get lesser charges with probation then who knows what happens, but if it's his 3rd that will be hard for his defense attorney.

This sucks for many reasons, but I found myself thinking why can't we get away from these types of coaches? Had plenty with the previous mafia staff, now this....
 
Pennsyhusker said:
I feel sorry for Riley. Poor guy probably wonders when he is going to catch a break here. Just when momentum and optimism are building ... Thud. A kick in the groin.
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Riley knew Williams had multiple DUIs on his record when he hired him. The University background check would have revealed that. While I don't blame Riley for giving the guy a chance, I don't feel too sorry for him in this situation.

Like I said before, there was a reason a talented coach like Williams was working at places like Tulane and Fresno, and I'm guessing his problems with alcohol were a big reason.
 
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Pennsyhusker said:
I feel sorry for Riley. Poor guy probably wonders when he is going to catch a break here. Just when momentum and optimism are building ... Thud. A kick in the groin.
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Riley and Eichorst aren't out of the woods either. Knowing his background If he has been drinking in their presence that could be a problem.
 
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Nebraska Fan said:
Riley and Eichorst aren't out of the woods either. Knowing his background If he has been drinking in their presence that could be a problem.
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Do you really think he was drinking in their presence? That's a pretty big leap to me...

Edit: unless it was stated in one of the articles I haven't read. I will go back and check it out.
 
ThereIsNoPlace said:
How dumb do you have to be? Uber, Lyft, City Taxi, whole coaching staff of buddies. Buddies outside of work. Walk. Stay. Stay Sober. Just a few good choices there.
But no, dumbass who teaches our young men how to catch 1-handed decides he "drives better when he's shiitefaced." So tired of everyone putting one individual or a whole coaching staff in front of NEBRASKA FOOTBALL the pride of our state.

Fire him & whoever vouched for him. Yeah, lookin' at you Smiley & that phony lawyer AD.
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Thanks....I needed a good laugh today.
 
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timnsun said:
Do you really think he was drinking in their presence? That's a pretty big leap to me...

Edit: unless it was stated in one of the articles I haven't read. I will go back and check it out.
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My thought is if he drank at any time while with them not just this specific instance
 
HuskerO said:
Man I don't think it's fair to hold something over someone's heads forever especially if his last one was 10 years ago.

*Queue someone questioning me if I would hire a murderer.
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Well a certain group IS trying to make it illegal to hold a persons past record against them when hiring...
 
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We don't know, so don't speculate that crap.

What we do know is that the courts are going to make this very easy for Nebraska. If he's guilty, he's fired. It's just the way it's going to be, especially since there will probably be jail. Of course if he happens to weasel his way out of it and get lesser charges with probation then who knows what happens, but if it's his 3rd that will be hard for his defense attorney.

This sucks for many reasons, but I found myself thinking why can't we get away from these types of coaches? Had plenty with the previous mafia staff, now this....
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Don't respond to me like that...
 
I tend to agree. I think Riley knew this guy was good, but yeah, there is a reason why he was at Tulane and stuff. Probably wanted to give the guy a break. Well...that may not be working out.

If we get rid of him, we don't necessarily lose Jr or McQuitty. Jr signed on mostly because his dad likes Riley, and McQuitty is from KC so is more of a local boy. Not sure he cares. But yeah, I doubt we pick up any other major hauls on WR if Williams goes. And even if he stays, that's going to be a nuclear issue for parents/recruits, right?

Bad situation, unless he goes and we immediately are able to hire some kind of amazing replacement (unlikely), the charges are somehow dropped or dramatically reduced and he gets treatment, or...I dunno. This sucks.
 
timnsun said:
Do you really think he was drinking in their presence? That's a pretty big leap to me...

Edit: unless it was stated in one of the articles I haven't read. I will go back and check it out.
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You didn't miss anything-there is no such thing stated in any article. He is pulling speculation completely out of thin air. This is somebody who hates Riley and Eichorst with a passion and is just hoping for any way for them to get in trouble.
 
JohnRossEwing said:
I think he should not be fired.
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That's your opinion and you have the right to have it. You can make that opinion without insinuating our coaches did it 20 years ago and got away with it, when you don't know.
What we do know is that Bo's staff was notorious for this stuff and look how that turned out. While we have to wait for a court of law to find him guilty and he is still considered innocent, it doesn't look good.
 
huskerfan1414 said:
That's your opinion and you have the right to have it. You can make that opinion without insinuating our coaches did it 20 years ago and got away with it, when you don't know.
What we do know is that Bo's staff was notorious for this stuff and look how that turned out. While we have to wait for a court of law to find him guilty and he is still considered innocent, it doesn't look good.
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They were? I did not know that
Apology accepted, thank you.
 
HuskerO said:
Were the other 2 while he was at Nebraska? If not, what was the time frame of the other 2 offenses?

Clearly Williams' has a problem and needs help and hopefully he gets / accepts that help.
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Not at Nebraska or you would have about it when they happened. Two prior offenses in California sometime during the 2004-2008 time frame.
 
Pennsyhusker said:
I think this probably nails it. My strong suspicion is that we all need to start getting used to the idea that he is gone. Anything else is wishful thinking. And then Riley needs to move fast to find a great replacement in order to salvage recruiting.
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Good luck finding a quality person this time of year.
 
BigRedPimp said:
Reporting that he's still in jail until court date tomorrow. Not confirmed yet, but saying 2004, 2006, and 2008. That would make this his 4th...

Dude had Joseph Lewis in town and he's sitting jail. SMH.
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Did you not read the part "nature not specified"? It doesn't say all three incidents were for DUI.
 
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Some things are bigger than recruiting & losing recruits. JMO He needs help and needs it right now. JMO but I would not let him coach this year. 3 months of rehab minimum, then go from there. He should never be allowed to have a driver's license.
 
bomber89 said:
Some things are bigger than recruiting & losing recruits. JMO He needs help and needs it right now. JMO but I would not let him coach this year. 3 months of rehab minimum, then go from there. He should never be allowed to have a driver's license.
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Just have a breathalyzer installed in the car
 
bomber89 said:
Some things are bigger than recruiting & losing recruits. JMO He needs help and needs it right now. JMO but I would not let him coach this year. 3 months of rehab minimum, then go from there. He should never be allowed to have a driver's license.
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Everyone wants the best for him .. But make no mistake there are 4+ pages in this thread because of the ramifications of this on the football program and recruiting.

I hope we can salvage this WR class and aren't left poaching the Dakota schools for WR recruits and proclaiming them diamonds in the rough
 
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Coach Williams should be let go to deal with his inner/legal demons, I wish him nothing but the best. Too bad they repealed the 18th Amendment, cost the Huskers dearly today. Coach Riley should call up his old friend Keyshawn Johnson and offer him the WR coaching job. Key would be able to keep his son in the fold AND bag a few more studs!

#GBR
 
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cornhustler said:
Coach Williams should be let go to deal with his inner/legal demons, I wish him nothing but the best. Too bad they repealed the 18th Amendment, cost the Huskers dearly today. Coach Riley should call up his old friend Keyshawn Johnson and offer him the WR coaching job. Key would be able to keep his son in the fold AND bag a few more studs!

#GBR
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Wow 18th amendment smack???? I think this problem is more deeply rooted. We should have never revolted and left the British empire. We would now be playing more civilized sports like soccer and Cricket rather than the brutish sport of football that fosters this type of behavior
 
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jlb321 said:
Wow 18th amendment smack???? I think this problem is more deeply rooted. We should have never revolted and left the British empire. We would now be playing more civilized sports like soccer and Cricket rather than the brutish sport of football that fosters this type of behavior
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My only concern is for the well being of The Cornhusker Football Program (pronounced progrum), being British subjects would not help in that aspect. If that means no booze... so be it! I am crestfallen today jLB321, I thought a bit of levity might alleviate my pain. The season was to begin in earnest... now it feels like Earnest Scared Stupid.
 
I practice quite a bit of DUI defense so I figured I'd add a few points. First, Nebraska does accept out of state convictions for purposes of sentencing enhancement as long as the defendant was represented at the prior trial or plea. It happens all of the time. Second, the look back period in Nebraska is 15 years. You may not agree a conviction 10 or 12 years ago should be relevant today, but ultimately our legislature has determined otherwise.

Finally, if Coach Williams is looking at a true third offense .15+, he's facing at a mandatory sixty days in county jail even if he's deemed a suitable candidate for probation. Even if he pleaded to a third offense .08+ he'd still face 30 days in jail if put on probation. Some form of - at least - outpatient treatment would likely be ordered as a condition of probation. His counsel has to work to get it reduced to at least a second offense low BAC just to minimize jail time (10 days or 240 hours community service with probation).
 
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Send him to rehab for 30 days. Let him work out his issues, then he'll be back in time for the ducks.

You people who are calling for his head or a year suspension have to be the most intelligent people I've met. Seriously, guy has a problem. You help him. Let's get coach Williams help. Firing or suspending him won't help him. The world loves a comeback.

And I'm highly disappointed in the freaking Lincoln Bars. One of my buddies is a professor at Arkansas and tells me, Bret Bielama gets silly drunk at the bars almost every night of the week on Dixon street in Fayetteville, the bar tenders all know not to ever let him drive. Uber is always lined up for him or some sober driver is always ready. My brother in law is a professor @ Alabama, and half that staff including Lane Kiffen, is always hammered out at bars. There bars make sure he does not drive. Freaking Barry's should do the same. Only reason that bar has made it long enough is because of our football program. Not saying Coach isn't to blame but come on man. Take care of the thing that's kept you in business all these years
 
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Red Law said:
I practice quite a bit of DUI defense so I figured I'd add a few points. First, Nebraska does accept out of state convictions for purposes of sentencing enhancement as long as the defendant was represented at the prior trial or plea. It happens all of the time. Second, the look back period in Nebraska is 15 years. You may not agree a conviction 10 or 12 years ago should be relevant today, but ultimately our legislature has determined otherwise.

Finally, if Coach Williams is looking at a true third offense .15+, he's facing at a mandatory sixty days in county jail even if he's deemed a suitable candidate for probation. Even if he pleaded to a third offense .08+ he'd still face 30 days in jail if put on probation. Some form of - at least - outpatient treatment would likely be ordered as a condition of probation. His counsel has to work to get it reduced to at least a second offense low BAC just to minimize jail time (10 days or 240 hours community service with probation).
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Thank you for sharing, best post in the thread.
 
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