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All I know is we sure could have used those bowl game practices.
Little issue? Opponents all have just as much money, just as many scholarships, and are coached by people at the pinnacle of their chosen profession. Even if and when Frost learns more and gets his system entrenched, ‘we’ will have more than a little issue every week. No week is easy in the Big 10. And the team people on this board root for has a staff that is among the least experience in all of P5 conferences.We are already competing to the wire with teams like Iowa, Purdue, NW, Illinois, Indiana. IF we can improve at all, we should have little issue beating them most years. MN Im still not convinced they are not just a flash in the pan team this year. I will need to see another 2 or 3 years of a successful MN team to say they will be able to compete at Wisc level.
Wisc, we are a bit off from, but not as far as some think. Im not worried about the West, I think we will get there. The issue not for just us but for all of the West is how dominant Ohio St is. I don't see any team in the West being able to consistently beat them. I do think we have the best shot to give them a run in the future, just do to the fact we can out recruit other West teams most years. Not saying we will, just that we probably have the best chance.
Bottom line if Wisc can win the West 90% of the time, there is no reason we can't. Of all the West teams we can consistently get the best talent. The issues in the past is we have had shit coaches who couldn't develop or retain talent.Hell Bo F ing Pelini consistently beat every West team except Wisc. He is an average coach at best. Im not saying Frost 100 % will, but until proven other wise, long term, Im going to assume he can. If he can, we should be able to surpass what Wisc has accomplished.Little issue? Opponents all have just as much money, just as many scholarships, and are coached by people at the pinnacle of their chosen profession. Even if and when Frost learns more and gets his system entrenched, ‘we’ will have more than a little issue every week. No week is easy in the Big 10. And the team people on this board root for has a staff that is among the least experience in all of P5 conferences.
seriously, what are you watching when you attend, or tune into games.
I expect Nebraska to steadily improve, but consistently being the team everyone chases, I’m not expecting that.
Iowa is probably most vulnerable, as they will have a coaching change some time in the next several years. Lovie is older too. Fleck, Chryst, Fitz, Brahms are going to around- and all are more proven to date, all with facilities, cash and more nearby talent
I do not believe that. Ed Orgeron superior? He's superior at dirty recruiting and now that he's at LSU he doesn't even have to do that. LSU's OC is great but IMO Frost is competitive with Day and Lincoln Riley. For heaven's sake, you have to consider the difference in talent they have to work with and that's not all on Frost just yet. Those schools in the playoff have been absolutely killing it in recruiting for the past 5 years. Jimmies and Joes.For starters, the coaching staffs as a whole, on both teams are far superior to us.
Another year in the weight room and in the same system are going to help guys like Stille be better players. I think we'll have some guys step up who will surprise people.I think we will be much better on offense going into next year and beyond. And we better be. My biggest concern is that we are not now, nor have we in the past two years, recruiting true difference makers on defense, especially on the defensive line. We will not improve much going forward until that changes. We could actually be worse on defense next year since we have zero proven defensive lineman. Stille returns, but so what? He isn’t anything special.
Bottom line if Wisc can win the West 90% of the time, there is no reason we can't. Of all the West teams we can consistently get the best talent. The issues in the past is we have had shit coaches who couldn't develop or retain talent.Hell Bo F ing Pelini consistently beat every West team except Wisc. He is an average coach at best. Im not saying Frost 100 % will, but until proven other wise, long term, Im going to assume he can. If he can, we should be able to surpass what Wisc has accomplished.
Not sure I’d be bragging about Frost’s player development with the guys like Martinez and Barry this past year...Bottom line if Wisc can win the West 90% of the time, there is no reason we can't. Of all the West teams we can consistently get the best talent. The issues in the past is we have had shit coaches who couldn't develop or retain talent.Hell Bo F ing Pelini consistently beat every West team except Wisc. He is an average coach at best. Im not saying Frost 100 % will, but until proven other wise, long term, Im going to assume he can. If he can, we should be able to surpass what Wisc has accomplished.
What I’m saying is Osborne didn’t have his first Elite level team until 1983 which was 11 years into his tenure. The teams prior were good but nothing quite like the 1983 team. My hope is in the same time frame or sooner (hopefully 8-10 years) we have a team that can be considered Elite level.I didn't know Osborne inherited a team that had been 19-19 in the previous 3 seasons.
I’ll disagree. While the teams were good they weren’t Elite level until the years I listed (1970, 1971, 1983, 1994, 1995). It took Osborne 5 years to get over the hurdle and beat Oklahoma. It took time then and it’s going to take time now.Devaney and Osborne’s teams finished in the top 10 in at least one of the 2 major polls 28 of their combined 36 years. It didn’t take them 8-10 years to build elite teams.
Hope so. Who?Another year in the weight room and in the same system are going to help guys like Stille be better players. I think we'll have some guys step up who will surprise people.
We had several young D linemen play well late in the season and one walk on linebacker who looked the part. Stille made some plays. Ty Robinson I expect to contribute and play well. Green should be good. You just don't know until they play more. It happens every year and THIS next year, we should start the year with guys who have had the same coaches, same S&C staff and the same system for a full 2+years. It should help. You could see it IMO in our defense those last couple of games. We return 4 linebackers who played a bunch and should be ready to rock and roll with the addition of some young depth this cycle and a couple of talented guys who redshirted. I think our D will be ok. We'll see. With the 3-4, EVERY person I've listened to who played in it college or the pros they've all said it takes 2-3 years to really master it as a team. I'm throwing out Diaco's year because I don't think he could coach a dog to eat tenderloin.Hope so. Who?
1) Nebraska went to 6 New Years Day bowls in his first 10 years. I don't get how that doesn't count as elite-level. His records from 1984-1993 pretty much matched his records from that first 10-year chunk.What I’m saying is Osborne didn’t have his first Elite level team until 1983 which was 11 years into his tenure. The teams prior were good but nothing quite like the 1983 team. My hope is in the same time frame or sooner (hopefully 8-10 years) we have a team that can be considered Elite level.
Please stop. You won't be happy until the whole staff is gone. Go back to whatever team's board that you're actually a fan of.We are not a good team. Our coaching is below average. I will be difficult to recruit elite players to Nebraska with this coaching staff after the last 2 years. It will take a huge improvement in talent on both sides of the ball to compete in any championships in the next 5 years. Those teams that played yesterday are light years a head of Nebraska Football. We can get better, but I believe Coach Scott Frost has to make some coaching changes especially on defense. Hiring a qualified OC would also be an improvement. Also hiring a new DC that knows what he is doing would be another improvement.
Exactly why Frost has a 7 year contract.1) Nebraska went to 6 New Years Day bowls in his first 10 years. I don't get how that doesn't count as elite-level. His records from 1984-1993 pretty much matched his records from that first 10-year chunk.
2) In keeping with your train of thought....Osborne's worst teams between 1973-84 were 9-3, not 4-8. You're saying that it took 10 years to get to some elite level from 9-3. How long will it take when you start out 4-8 and 5-7?
Puff lover...I’ll keep it simple for you. If you’re a team that wins your conference championship game and/or playing in the National Championship you’re an Elite team. Quit being a douchebag with every post.1) Nebraska went to 6 New Years Day bowls in his first 10 years. I don't get how that doesn't count as elite-level. His records from 1984-1993 pretty much matched his records from that first 10-year chunk.
2) In keeping with your train of thought....Osborne's worst teams between 1973-84 were 9-3, not 4-8. You're saying that it took 10 years to get to some elite level from 9-3. How long will it take when you start out 4-8 and 5-7?
Dont you have a bunch of "used" kleenex to clean up in Mom's basement?For starters, the coaching staffs as a whole, on both teams are far superior to us.
And what did he do to warrant a 7 year contract?Exactly why Frost has a 7 year contract.
I hate to say it but I think not making a bowl might be a good thing. Seemed like everyone as injured, now Frost can really sit back and re evaluate his program without going 6-6 and playing some crap bowl. Hopefully he uses this time to not only recruit, but fix the issues this program has. Clearly he needs to change things otherwise we will get close to the same results next year and it’s not solely a talent and depth issue.here's an example of a bad post.
Pretty funny that the best responses you have are insults and falsehoods. That's the sign of someone that has no intelligent point to make.Puff lover...I’ll keep it simple for you. If you’re a team that wins your conference championship game and/or playing in the National Championship you’re an Elite team. Quit being a douchebag with every post.
Have to disagree with this. NU played for the MNC in '81 and was as good as anyone once Turner Gill became the starting QB. I am among the many who believe NU beats Clemson with TG. The '82 team was as good as any in the country, and many would argue (including myself) that it was better than the '83 team. Same offense, better D.What I’m saying is Osborne didn’t have his first Elite level team until 1983 which was 11 years into his tenure. The teams prior were good but nothing quite like the 1983 team. My hope is in the same time frame or sooner (hopefully 8-10 years) we have a team that can be considered Elite level.
Careful...he might call you a douchebag.Have to disagree with this. NU played for the MNC in '81 and was as good as anyone once Turner Gill became the starting QB. I am among the many who believe NU beats Clemson with TG. The '82 team was as good as any in the country, and many would argue (including myself) that it was better than the '83 team. Same offense, better D.
You can be elite w/o winning your conference championship (ask Alabama, which won 2 national championships without winning their division). TO's first 8 teams finished in the Top Ten 7 times and held their own against the "elite" teams in the country. Split a home-and-home with Alabama in '77-78 and went 3-2 in a five game series with Penn State. In other years, they routed UCLA, beat the SWC champions (Texas) in the Cotton Bowl, the SEC champs (Florida) in the Sugar Bowl, and imposed their will on #1 OU in '78.
Well I won’t because 1) he isn’t a Colorado Buffalo fan masquerading as a Husker fan and 2) he does bring up good points that I can agree with. One of which In ‘82 Nebraska does play for the MNC if it wasn’t for the bad officiating during the Penn State game.Careful...he might call you a douchebag.
You’re an idiot because you are bringing up information that has nothing related to my initial post. Like Osborne’s records vs Frosts. Osborne was given the keys to a well oiled machine - a far different situation than what Frost got. Once again this has nothing to do with my post.Pretty funny that the best responses you have are insults and falsehoods. That's the sign of someone that has no intelligent point to make.
But, to counter your argument....Osborne's Husker teams won or shared conference titles in 1975, 1981, and 1982. They apparently hit your definition of elite status under Osborne a few years before you claimed....after all, you did say it was "winning your conference championship (game) and/or playing in the national championship."
I know...you said "winning your championship conference game". Are you going to say that those conference championships don't count, since Nebraska didn't play in something that didn't (for them) exist until 1996?
Wanna rethink your "Puff lover" comment? It would be pretty embarrassing to be proven wrong by a "Puff lover" (not sure why I got labeled as such, but whatever...that's your issue).
Devaney and Osborne’s teams finished in the top 10 in at least one of the 2 major polls 28 of their combined 36 years. It didn’t take them 8-10 years to build elite teams.
Ah....more name calling. How mature.Alabama
You’re an idiot because you are bringing up information that has nothing related to my initial post. Like Osborne’s records vs Frosts. Osborne was given the keys to a well oiled machine - a far different situation than what Frost got. Once again this has nothing to do with my post.
My post said in approximately the same timeframe I hope we have a team at an Elite level that wins the Big-10 and plays for a National Title. That’s it. Teams that don’t play for all the marbles are good teams not Elite. Alabama went 10-2 this year. They had a good season. Do you think their fans consider this an Elite year? The way you respond to my posts is stalker like. You are the one that has issues. Loser!
Oh....now were on to blaming officiating.....that's something losers do.Well I won’t because 1) he isn’t a Colorado Buffalo fan masquerading as a Husker fan and 2) he does bring up good points that I can agree with. One of which In ‘82 Nebraska does play for the MNC if it wasn’t for the bad officiating during the Penn State game.
I could get a group of friends and coach OSU to an undefeated season. Well this year I mean, before half the roster goes to the NFL.For starters, the coaching staffs as a whole, on both teams are far superior to us.
Yep, especially OSU, like 6 years or something with a top 5 class.I do not believe that. Ed Orgeron superior? He's superior at dirty recruiting and now that he's at LSU he doesn't even have to do that. LSU's OC is great but IMO Frost is competitive with Day and Lincoln Riley. For heaven's sake, you have to consider the difference in talent they have to work with and that's not all on Frost just yet. Those schools in the playoff have been absolutely killing it in recruiting for the past 5 years. Jimmies and Joes.
I’d just appreciate it if you don’t respond directly to any of my posts. You’ve been a douchebag ever since the Colorado posts and now you’re starting crap on this post. Just stop. I don’t care to talk with you on any posts going forward. If you claim to be a Husker fan then I understand it’s necessary to share a passion with some people you just can’t stand.Oh....now were on to blaming officiating.....that's something losers do.
And calling me a fan of another team simply because I don't demonstrate enough hate for them......how sad.
Well, as TO taking over a NU program that won two NCs in the 3 previous years it would be 10,000 times easier to be in the top 10 with that than taking over Smiling Mike's 3 previous year results.
last thing I have to say...If you were a true Husker fan then would have known all about the infamous catch out of bounds call during the 1982 Nebraska vs Penn State game. I’m not the only one who blames the official standing right there on this one.Oh....now were on to blaming officiating.....that's something losers do.
And calling me a fan of another team simply because I don't demonstrate enough hate for them......how sad.
Most of the top talent that MR did bring in is gone or only had 1 or 2 years in a proper SOS system. Any top talent Frost brought in are True Fresh and Soph. These guys of Frost have to have time to develop. Not every player is going to be a Wandale Robinson and be able to contribute as a True Fresh. Now if in 2 or 3 years we are still having this conversation and are having issues developing and keep talent, we can rain down on Frost.Well, you kind of set yourself up on this one. If we consistently get the "best talent" what's the problem? There is only one thing left to blame it on. On one hand you believe we can win the west based on our talent alone but yet we haven't even come close. So far, what would you point to as solid evidence there is adequate development of our talent? Just expecting it to happen doesn't make it happen. Where is the evidence?
No you couldn’tI could get a group of friends and coach OSU to an undefeated season. Well this year I mean, before half the roster goes to the NFL.
I know all about it.....I just don't get caught up in blaming officials.last thing I have to say...If you were a true Husker fan then would have known all about the infamous catch out of bounds call during the 1982 Nebraska vs Penn State game. I’m not the only one who blames the official standing right there on this one.
So when your not winning why not play more kidsA potential problem I see is that we have had issues retaining people in this decade, in particular the past 5 years. When you look at the top boys like LSU, Clemson, Ohio State, they are 3-4 deep at every position. It’s very difficult for us to keep quality guys. For example, Miles Jones could have been a nice player for us 2-3 years down the road. He sees that he’s not going to get many touches now so he bolts. Nobody wants to ride the bench on a crappy team. That’s a serious problem and barrier I see that will hinder us from ever being elite. We can get to a level of Wisconsin, where our starters are at a high level but then when injuries happen the talent and experience drops off considerably.
yes ... my post was in response to the post claiming that it took Osborne/Devaney 8-10 years to get an elite team it did not ... there is some disagreement as to what constitutes elite, for my purposes it is a top 10 team or better
yes I realize that TO took over a powerhouse ... I objected to the notion that he didn't have elite teams until 8-10 years in ... my response was poorly worded and did not adequately convey this
It should not take 8-10 to get a top 10 team as suggested ... I would be interested in examples where, if a program has the right coach, it took that long to achieve this ... Frank Beamer comes to mind but the list is very very short
an interim realistic goal is to progress toward winning the west division ... there are no heavy weights like OSU, etc that should make this insurmountable. We were further from this goal in 2019 than 2018.