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Did he suddenly and magically get real good in just a few months?
Did anybody really think that a true freshman would unseat the 5th year senior, who was a 4 year starter?
I was sure hoping.
Not only that but from what I understand their would have been a mutiny with some of the Bo leftovers if a freshman had started over Tommy.I was hoping that he would be that amazing too.
But realistically, he would have to be noticeably more talented than TA, he would have to have like 80% (?) of the playbook down before the first game, and he would have to win the team over. Could POB do one or two of those things being a true freshman early enrollee? Maybe, but all three seems like a crazy mountain to climb in his situation.
Did anybody really think that a true freshman would unseat the 5th year senior, who was a 4 year starter?
That's an awesome point. I completely agree. That's a probably and 8-5 or 7-6 record without him. Just goes to show you...talent/recruiting wins games (and coaching too).Redshirting O'Brien was the right move. Armstrong is who is he is, and despite his issues he busted his ass, and Nebraska probably doesn't win these two games without him.
According to POB, he and DL had a plan to RS and didn't desire to alter it late in the season unless he absolutely had to.
Last year was frustrating as hell watching guys run open every game and never see the ball. Tommy did an awesome job keeping things alive with his feet making the porous like look better than it was. That really showed when he was out as D's feasted Ryker. I would think POB would have been beaten to a pulp by seasons end had he won that job based on my opinions just shared.
And to continue the pile on, what games does POB win that a healthy Tommy does not? Wisconsin?
Lmao . At the myth of guys running open all the time.....our receivers were average at best at creating space...except for Westy. And Tommy had to put it on the money at times to complete it to him.
In your own post ..you think Tommy had time to find open receivers..maybe 20% of the time at best. Let's not even talk about the drops.
Yeah Tommy was inaccurate as well...our receivers choked against OSU dropping balls hitting them right in the chest.
None of them are gonna get drafted. That says everything.
Unless it was play action, rub route or a scramble, these guys were average.
This is true. A good QB can make a completion even if the receiver is competently defended.Wide open for a normal throwing QB and wide open for Armstrong, and other athletes playing QB, are not equal.
Total conjecture. If he wins the job in the fall and starts game 1, we have no idea what any results will be. The offense would have been different from the beginning. It's a pointless argument, impossible to even speculate on how things would have been different.
frazier is the only qb at NU I remember that could start right away. and he had serious talent around him.
This is true. A good QB can make a completion even if the receiver is competently defended.
Tommy held onto the ball too long on many occasions and couldn't go through progressions correctly even as a senior.Last year was frustrating as hell watching guys run open every game and never see the ball. Tommy did an awesome job keeping things alive with his feet making the porous like look better than it was. That really showed when he was out as D's feasted Ryker. I would think POB would have been beaten to a pulp by seasons end had he won that job based on my opinions just shared.
And if they could have played as Freshman Turner Gill would have been another.
Jeans,
I don't understand why you defend TA so much while at the same time have no trouble throwing the receivers under the bus. I have seen you repeatedly bad mouth the receivers in multiple threads. Over and over again in fact.
I don't have a problem with you defending TA per se, but the reality is, TA wasn't as good as you wanted him to be, whether that was because he was running for his life, play calling, or maybe he just didn't have the necessary skills to be a QB in the Riley offense... and on the other hand, the receivers you continually dog weren't as bad as you are making them out to be either.
It just looks like TA has some compromising photos of you or something the way you defend him at the expense of the rest of the offense.
I get your frustration, and I agree Tommy would have been better behind a better line. But I could just as easily say the receivers would have been better if Tommy got them the ball in the right place and at the right time. and many here aren't convinced that he could consistently do that even if he had a solid line. The reality is, we'll never know how good he could have been, and conversely, we'll also never know how inconsistent he would have been either.Because people have no problem throwing him under the Bus while excusing everyone else's garbage performances.
You guys expect him to be an All American behind a piss poor line that can't even snap the ball.
I get your frustration, and I agree Tommy would have been better behind a better line. But I could just as easily say the receivers would have been better if Tommy got them the ball in the right place and at the right time. and many here aren't convinced that he could consistently do that even if he had a solid line. The reality is, we'll never know how good he could have been, and conversely, we'll also never know how inconsistent he would have been either.
And I don't think people are expecting an all American here. We are expecting better than 51% completion rate though, or whatever it was.
I think the greater frustration is that we didn't have anyone else to turn to if Tommy didn't get the job done. At least now, it appears we will have solid options going 3 and 4 deep. Something we haven't seen in quite a while.
O line play is critical for sure. The one thing I know the current QBs can do that Tommy often struggled with is find the check down receiver. That alone will help if the defense knows they can't pin their ears back and rush like crazy.I want a great QB play as well. We haven't had that in quite some time.
I hope one of the Qbs we have now becomes an all conference player. But if we can't make things comfortable for our QB. It's not happening.
I disagree with this post. I don't know if you go to the games in person, I go to a couple a year. It is hard to see on TV how often TA didn't notice an open man because the camera follows the action and he often threw into coverage, so it is impossible to see someone away from the action standing alone waving his arms. In the games I saw in person there were MANY times on for instance third and 8 someone was open in the flat for a 10-yard gain and TA heaved it down the field because he decided that is where he was going to go before the play started. The receivers got separation plenty of times. I will always be appreciative of TA's guts, charisma, work ethic, attitude, and the way he represented my school and state. TA had many good qualities, but scanning the field was the not one of them and frustrated me to no end. I think the same offense will look totally different this fall.Lmao . At the myth of guys running open all the time.....our receivers were average at best at creating space...except for Westy. And Tommy had to put it on the money at times to complete it to him.
In your own post ..you think Tommy had time to find open receivers..maybe 20% of the time at best. Let's not even talk about the drops.
Yeah Tommy was inaccurate as well...our receivers choked against OSU dropping balls hitting them right in the chest.
None of them are gonna get drafted. That says everything.
Unless it was play action, rub route or a scramble, these guys were average.
Because people have no problem throwing him under the Bus while excusing everyone else's garbage performances.
You guys expect him to be an All American behind a piss poor line that can't even snap the ball.
I disagree with this post. I don't know if you go to the games in person, I go to a couple a year. It is hard to see on TV how often TA didn't notice an open man because the camera follows the action and he often threw into coverage, so it is impossible to see someone away from the action standing alone waving his arms. In the games I saw in person there were MANY times on for instance third and 8 someone was open in the flat for a 10-yard gain and TA heaved it down the field because he decided that is where he was going to go before the play started. The receivers got separation plenty of times. I will always be appreciative of TA's guts, charisma, work ethic, attitude, and the way he represented my school and state. TA had many good qualities, but scanning the field was the not one of them and frustrated me to no end. I think the same offense will look totally different this fall.
I'm positive he missed receivers. But when you feel under seige you begin to see things that are not there.
The first thing I look at when a play begins is the line. TA is short. Stepping into the pocket you can see by replay he can't see a passing lane. That's something you can't see by being at the game.
Think about the INT he though on the goal line this year. He never saw the defender because an OLineman was right in front of him. We thought he was just dumb. No he couldn't see the guy.
We were 7-0 and TA was the main reason for that. Wisky, I felt the Offensive coordinator froze up in OT. OSU just out classed us.
Iowa. We didn't even show up as a team.