Where you at now?

[SnohomishRed]

No. Not when it is obvious you hold your feelings for Blo above your supposed fandom. You can go back in your hole that you were in before the 1st game of a new regime. Pathetic.

This argument is really stupid - I was for Bo being fired - Let me repeat I was for the Bo firing! find one post where I stated differently

Now did I have real concerns about the Riley hiring and more specifically the Banker hiring - yes but it had/has nothing to do with pelini

Just stop

 

[SnohomishRed]

That's exactly right. For the last two years Ameer masked a very average offensive line because he is a stud. One pre-season game in the NFL and he has already shown his agility and acceleration is good enough to make professionals look silly.

Recruited well? How about we talk about these guys as college athletes. We don't need to resort to their Rivals ranking at this point. Cross has never been great. Newby has never been great. Taylor has clearly never been the same since the broken leg - he's a non factor at this point. Jury is still out on Wilbon. In case this isn't enough evidence check the stat line from the BYU game - we don't have an offensive line that run blocks well.

Expertise at pass blocking - who said that? I said that the coaches may have decided, based on fall camp, that our line is more consistent at pass blocking.

You're grasping at straws because you don't know what you are talking about.

so a team that was primarily a running team - does not have the athletes to run but pass. Is this the argument?

Amer was good no doubt but he also got a ton of chances and opportunity to become that way, before that so was Burkhead, before him was Helu, then Castille and Brandon Jackson.

NU has a long history of recruiting running backs and a large majority end of playing in the NFL - so we now have no one because Amer graduated - or could it be the emphasis is going to be on passing and the Rb's are not being counted and the Oline is getting the majority of snaps in the passing game

I really do not know but I know the line of RB's goes much further back than Amer

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

This argument is really stupid - I was for Bo being fired - Let me repeat I was for the Bo firing! find one post where I stated differently

Now did I have real concerns about the Riley hiring and more specifically the Banker hiring - yes but it had/has nothing to do with pelini

Just stop

Bs. Prove any of what you just stated. Just because you claim it now it makes it just more pathetic to cover your ass. You defended thay clown until the end.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Bs. Prove any of what you just stated. Just because you claim it now it makes it just more pathetic to cover your ass. You defended thay clown until the end.

Also, why is it BYU played more top 100 and 250 guys on Saturday. I mean YOU say Bo recruited well, and your cohorts are all stating BYU is a bad team. Which one is it?

 

[SnohomishRed]

Bs. Prove any of what you just stated. Just because you claim it now it makes it just more pathetic to cover your ass. You defended thay clown until the end.

Oh good lord man - I believe you are actually an alien prove me otherwise and no I did not support until the end

 

[Archie Graham]

so a team that was primarily a running team - does not have the athletes to run but pass. Is this the argument?

Amer was good no doubt but he also got a ton of chances and opportunity to become that way, before that so was Burkhead, before him was Helu, then Castille and Brandon Jackson.

NU has a long history of recruiting running backs and a large majority end of playing in the NFL - so we now have no one because Amer graduated - or could it be the emphasis is going to be on passing and the Rb's are not being counted and the Oline is getting the majority of snaps in the passing game

I really do not know but I know the line of RB's goes much further back than Amer

You're not sharp.

 

[jflores]

are you implying that this offense has not made a significant shift towards passing vs running?

Given that at one point we had 17 carries for like 30 some yards, pounding the rock just to pound the rock on an obviously outgunned OL doesn't seem like it would generate much offense. So then we're left with, "well I'd rather just lose big running the ball than having a chance at playing the matchup in front of me".

The other issue with the pass game, which I did think blossomed a lot, half the throws were basically run game screens anyway. This wasn't Beck's game where everything was Abdullah or the deep ball.

 

[SnohomishRed]

You're not sharp.

What is it with you guys and the insults - Did I insult you No! do I disagree with you yes and I state my reasons - your comeback is an insult which appears to me to be well ** Nothing**

 

[jflores]

The last issue is that the defense was not coached properly on prevent defense did they not teach gangwish to keep the qb in the pocket - this kid would kill for his team if he had been taught this he would have done it - Instead he loses contain tyhey complete the hail mary, win the game and on top of it gangwish is now hurt - This was bad coaching

My last bitch was special teams - what in the heck is Read doing counting his loot? instead of coaching these kids very very bad

Coverage was good. KO's were good. Returns were fine. We have an inconsistent place kicker. Heck, we even replaced an All America caliber punter with a converted QB and still pinned them inside the 20. On the whole, I'd say ST weren't a huge needle in our side, we saw adjustments even.

Gangwish is a veteran player, and presume he is not a complete blank slate. He's going to know that keeping the QB in the pocket is probably the general goal on that type of play, and was probably taught this at several levels of football and probably under this current and previous staff. He didn't do it on the last play Saturday, was he beat by his man, did he just "wing it" because its the last play, was he physically unable, or was he hurt and therefore unable to finish the play strong?

I don't think any of us knows for sure, and Gangwish probably won't be asked directly. I think anyone, even my wife, who casually watches football knows that keeping contain is a general positive, but that knowledge doesn't always translate onto the field. Certainly Gangwish would know.

 

[jflores]

Then the staff clearly doesn't know crap because we weren't good at any blocking. BYU's d-line owned our o-line.

It takes awhile to grow an OL. This is partially why NU used to be successful, we could afford to let a guy percolate and step on the field as a senior an dominate. Gates won't have the luxury that the Pipeline guys had in 95.

We're going to build experience under fire, and its always paid in blood.

Cav will build us a pretty good line, methinks, but it ain't coming real soon either. If he can make the current guys pretty solid, we'll see more offensive confidence and less depantsing, but in the mean time it'll be a roller coaster ride.

 

[jflores]

da U has just become a "must win".

None of these "preseason" games are must win for me. If NU were looking at a national championship run, then sure. But we're not. Really all that matters now is that we get better week to week and show up for the conference schedule. If we hit the conference playing well, we could win the West and go to the title game, be a nice little feather in the cap. In which case, going 0-4 or 2-2 makes little difference to me there.

What's going to be a hard pill to swallow for many fans is that NU in the next couple years gets Oregon and OSU on the slate. Next year we could be a much better team and still go basically 9-3. The following year we could be pretty good as well, except we'll be breaking in young QB's again, and most teams historically don't do great with super young QB's.

Development at NU at this time, is going to be one of patience, and not so much "Bob Stoops walks into a loaded roster and wins it all in year 2" type of deal.

 

[Archie Graham]

What is it with you guys and the insults - Did I insult you No! do I disagree with you yes and I state my reasons - your comeback is an insult which appears to me to be well ** Nothing**

That made no sense in the context of the discussion. Hence the comment about your lack of sharpness.

 

[leodisflowers]

After reading another thread where @HuskerTimOmaha provided some background of the DE & LB position, it makes you sick to realize how bad we sucked in recruiting. So far I will give Riley they benefit of the doubt on recruiting, and hopefully he can reverse the craptastic ways we had earlier. Behind the 8ball bad.

 

[SnohomishRed]

That made no sense in the context of the discussion. Hence the comment about your lack of sharpness.

The context of the discussion was stated that NU would or should pass more as that is where the players are more suited and or a lack of talent in the RB squad - I disagreed with this and used our history of RB's as an example of a long standing of talented players in the backfield. You argument would be akin to the new Wisconsin coach passing the ball more than running it because they do not have a proven RB and have some new linemen - guess what they will remain a running team and we should remain run heavy if we want long term success

 

[Archie Graham]

The context of the discussion was stated that NU would or should pass more as that is where the players are more suited and or a lack of talent in the RB squad - I disagreed with this and used our history of RB's as an example of a long standing of talented players in the backfield. You argument would be akin to the new Wisconsin coach passing the ball more than running it because they do not have a proven RB and have some new linemen - guess what they will remain a running team and we should remain run heavy if we want long term success

Densitron3000.

If our OL is not great at run blocking we need to throw the ball more **THIS YEAR** to win, knowing however, that we want better OL run blocking in the future. Play to the strength of the roster you inherited.

 

[Archie Graham]

After reading another thread where @HuskerTimOmaha provided some background of the DE & LB position, it makes you sick to realize how bad we sucked in recruiting. So far I will give Riley they benefit of the doubt on recruiting, and hopefully he can reverse the craptastic ways we had earlier. Behind the 8ball bad.

There was colossal roster mismanagement that Riley inherited.

 

[huskerbux]

What is it with you guys and the insults - Did I insult you No! do I disagree with you yes and I state my reasons - your comeback is an insult which appears to me to be well ** Nothing**

Oh good lord man - I believe you are actually an alien prove me otherwise and no I did not support until the end

You're not sharp.

So calling someone an "alien" is not an insult but being called "not sharp" is? Now would be a good time for your "Oh good lord man" response. Once again proving how thin skinned we have become as a society. Oops wait is that an insult?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

The context of the discussion was stated that NU would or should pass more as that is where the players are more suited and or a lack of talent in the RB squad - I disagreed with this and used our history of RB's as an example of a long standing of talented players in the backfield. You argument would be akin to the new Wisconsin coach passing the ball more than running it because they do not have a proven RB and have some new linemen - guess what they will remain a running team and we should remain run heavy if we want long term success

Wisconsin threw the ball 39 times vs Bama....do you think they are in full meltdown mode? BYU stacked the box vs us daring us to pass....get use to it. If we are any good, we should exploit that with that pass. As I explained to you earlier...go back and watch the game. Quite a few of our passing plays can be considered an extension of our run game.

 

[SnohomishRed]

So calling someone an "alien" is not an insult but being called "not sharp" is? Now would be a good time for your "Oh good lord man" response. Once again proving how thin skinned we have become as a society. Oops wait is that an insult?

at least repost my comments in context the alien was a response to this

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This argument is really stupid - I was for Bo being fired - Let me repeat I was for the Bo firing! find one post where I stated differently

Now did I have real concerns about the Riley hiring and more specifically the Banker hiring - yes but it had/has nothing to do with pelini

Just stop


Bs. Prove any of what you just stated. Just because you claim it now it makes it just more pathetic to cover your ass. You defended thay clown until the end.

 

[timnsun]

Snohomish, it's difficult to proclaim we are a good run blocking team when our entire oline had 14 career starts, or whatever ridiculous number that was, with Lewis having 13 of them. This is not last year's run blocking line.

At the same time, when ameer was injured last year, we still did ok with the run, but there was a drop in production. His loss hurts tremendously.

If BYU stacked the box consistently, getting the yards on the ground was going to be very difficult. Just my two cents...

 

[timnsun]

Tulsa, so often you read into other peoples' posts things they didn't say. And yet, with the OP, you want to take his words so literally. I don't think you can have it both ways.

 

[suhnami]

You're the one that clearly doesn't know crap.

A staff can observe that the line is better at run blocking, and, we can get handled by a better DL. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Little crabby today, darling?

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Little crabby today, darling?

You just called him a name! I am offended! I demand satisfaction!!!!

 

[suhnami]

You just called him a name! I am offended! I demand satisfaction!!!!

That's a lot of exclamation points, sweetheart. You must be serious.

 

[TheBeav815]

I'm in the same place I was before the game. I'd believe any outcome for this team. They might go off and piss-pound a given opponent, or they might disappear for quarters at a time and lose to a team they should beat.

Now I have playcalling to add to my list of things that are only just kinda good about this team. That said, still 0-0 in conference, so the goal of being the team that gets prison showered by tOSU in that CCG is still intact.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Snohomish, it's difficult to proclaim we are a good run blocking team when our entire oline had 14 career starts, or whatever ridiculous number that was, with Lewis having 13 of them. This is not last year's run blocking line.

At the same time, when ameer was injured last year, we still did ok with the run, but there was a drop in production. His loss hurts tremendously.

If BYU stacked the box consistently, getting the yards on the ground was going to be very difficult. Just my two cents...

And you could be correct but normally a team even those players not starting are better at something they have been used to for several years.

I do not want to be the guy that seems to be obsessed with this team failing because I want Riley to succeed and I want banker to succeed - So I will just leave it and let the year play out good or bad. I am very concerned about our defense and the philosophy on offense but it is what it is and I will root for these kids and coaches

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Run the ball 65/35 against BYU and the same posters would bitch about "why force the run when it's not there".

Pass the ball 65/35 against BYU and posters meltdown that we didn't run the ball enough.

News flash, the coaches felt throwing the ball was our best option to win this game. And they were dead on, had we forced the run, BYU blows the game wide open. This isn't rocket science and reinventing the wheel.

 

[rrthusker]

After reading another thread where @HuskerTimOmaha provided some background of the DE & LB position, it makes you sick to realize how bad we sucked in recruiting. So far I will give Riley they benefit of the doubt on recruiting, and hopefully he can reverse the craptastic ways we had earlier. Behind the 8ball bad.

Many fans want a quick fix for the football program. I for one do not think this quick fix is a one year deal. Riley inherited a team with lots of holes. Husker fans need to realize
just what he has to work with here and quit believing all the hype one reads on message boards.

 

[otismotis08]

Many fans want a quick fix for the football program. I for one do not think this quick fix is a one year deal. Riley inherited a team with lots of holes. Husker fans need to realize
just what he has to work with here and quit believing all the hype one reads on message boards.

Quick fixes do happen, but they are not the norm. I've said many times before, with the hires that were made (and the hires not made), this program is on a long road back to national prominence. We did not hire a rock star, and we did not hire a recruiting lighting rod. We hired an experienced, steady hand and let him bring along his staff from OSU.
Will it work? We'll just have to wait and see.
How long will it take? Probably longer than any of us hope.
Should we lower our expectations? Probably in the near-term.
Should we lower our goals? Never.

 

[leodisflowers]

Many fans want a quick fix for the football program. I for one do not think this quick fix is a one year deal. Riley inherited a team with lots of holes. Husker fans need to realize
just what he has to work with here and quit believing all the hype one reads on message boards.

It will be nice to fill in some of those glaring gaps. We will definitely get some help even next year. I like a lot of the young LB's, and hopefully Neal can turn into a stud as well.

 

[Archie Graham]

Little crabby today, darling?

Not at all. Just pointing out the obvious.

 

[Archie Graham]

News flash, the coaches felt throwing the ball was our best option to win this game. And they were dead on, had we forced the run, BYU blows the game wide open. This isn't rocket science and reinventing the wheel.

End. Of. Discussion.

 

[red rover 70]

Sometimes you have to run to establish the pass. And with some teams you have to pass to establish the run. In the second half we made adjustments and had the offense moving in the right direction.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker]

only 28 points against a bad BYU defense?

 

[jflores]

HTO and RRT with posts of the year.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Randy, is there a reason he hasn't responded? If so, I sure hope it's short term...

@rrthusker

 

[z28craz]

Many fans want a quick fix for the football program. I for one do not think this quick fix is a one year deal. Riley inherited a team with lots of holes. Husker fans need to realize
just what he has to work with here and quit believing all the hype one reads on message boards.

I was drinking a lot of Kool-Aid over the summer. After Saturday, it is painfully obvious that Bo's "recruiting" is going to bite us in the butt this year. There are numerous holes, and Bo did not do this program any favors in terms of quality depth. IMO, if Bo were still here he would be staring a 6-6 season right in the face, if not worse. And we may see that this year anyway. All of a sudden those games with Northwestern, Minnesota, Rutgers and Iowa are far more difficult than I thought over the summer. It's going to be a dog fight to get to 6 or 7 wins this year. There are some solid athletes on this team, but not enough. While I'm not ridiculously optimistic like I was over the summer, I'm still highly optimistic that in the long term Riley is going to be a really good hire for us, he's going to bring in quality recruits and develop talent. I think long term he thrives here.

 

[timnsun]

Randy, is there a reason he hasn't responded? If so, I sure hope it's short term...

@rrthusker

This seems to be spinner's MO... I recall him stirring the turds in several other threads in the past and then disappearing. Almost as if he just wants to get things started and then see how far they spin out of control. Is that the definition of a troll?

 

[sltoa]

I declare Saturday as a moral victory, since I didn't have to explain to my 9 year old why our coach is spraying spittle all over the players/coaches/referees.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

We have been a decent running team for some years now - we have also recruited pretty well at RB and all of the sudden we suck because Amer is gone - sorry dont buy it

Where did this Oline get all of this expertise at pass blocking in recent history that has been a real weak spot.

I think Riley did a good job of improving TA and also the pass blocking to a smaller extent - however he did a poor job of co0aching a power run game that could have won this game for us

And I don't buy that past results mandates future performance. Just because we put a few RBs in the NFL over last few years doesn't mean that one or more of our current RBs is NFL caliber.

We don't suck all of the sudden. We sucked last year too, but Ameer was good enough to make the result look better. Ameer was a special back, and I didn't see anything special out of our RBs on Saturday. Wilbon appears to be the only one with an outside chance of growing into special.

Things have been sliding for a few years, but we've managed to keep it mostly covered. But once the special playmaker is no longer around to bail everyone out, then the weaknesses that were there all along are now readily apparent for all to see. During Crouch's SR year, I remember noticing how QB-dominant our run game was. That worked well when that QB is a Heismann winner, but not so much the next year when you had a mere human at the helm. Then it was suddenly obvious that we had real problems, and that they had been masked by Crouch's stellar play.