OT: The CDC's most recent statement on what "could" happen as COVID-19

[CheeseRunza]

If the masks are "NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus", how do they protect healthcare providers?

Good question. I think what they are saying that masks offer protection for individuals from becoming contaminated is specific cases (as in getting a high dose in close proximity to a patient) but unless you are going to wear it full time, isn’t real effective in preventing exposure altogether and certainly isn’t effective in preventing transmission throughout the community as a whole. I don’t know about medical PPE, but with hazmat, you really need to know how to don and doff the equipment to use it properly to ensure proper fit and seal and to decontaminate before taking it off to prevent exposure. For instance, how many times on movies have you seen a person wearing a respirator on the outside of their suit/hood. How can you take off your contaminated suit and dispose of it or wash it while still being protected by the respirator?

 

[Hoosker Du]

I'll tell you what, folks, if the Director of Infectious Disease at the University of Nebraska (which was chosen to treat Ebola patients) says "It (this virus) is not to be trifled with," and “Well, the fact of the matter is that this virus has shown the ability to spread far and wide and fast," I'm not going to take it lightly.

I know we obviously have Directors of the CDC and the WHO on this board, since they seem to know far more than the scientists that work directly with these viruses, so call me crazy, but I'm going to go ahead and trust the Director of Infectious Disease at The Med Center.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

I'll tell you what, folks, if the Director of Infectious Disease at the University of Nebraska (which was chosen to treat Ebola patients) says "It (this virus) is not to be trifled with," and “Well, the fact of the matter is that this virus has shown the ability to spread far and wide and fast," I'm not going to take it lightly.

I know we obviously have Directors of the CDC and the WHO on this board, since they seem to know far more than the scientists that work directly with these viruses, but I'm going to go ahead and trust the Director of Infectious Disease at The Med Center.

This is nothing new. They also know more than climate scientists, etc

 

[Hoosker Du]

Good question. I think what they are saying that masks offer protection for individuals from becoming contaminated is specific cases (as in getting a high dose in close proximity to a patient) but unless you are going to wear it full time, isn’t real effective in preventing exposure altogether and certainly isn’t effective in preventing transmission throughout the community as a whole. I don’t know about medical PPE, but with hazmat, you really need to know how to don and doff the equipment to use it properly to ensure proper fit and seal and to decontaminate before taking it off to prevent exposure. For instance, how many times on movies have you seen a person wearing a respirator on the outside of their suit/hood. How can you take off your contaminated suit and dispose of it or wash it while still being protected by the respirator?

What I've read/heard says that standard masks get wet within 15 to 20 minutes from us breathing through them, and the virus can easily go through a moist mask, and can go around the edges pretty easily too. There are better masks on the market that provide better protection, but not sure how readily available they are.

I would guess that healthcare workers aren't wearing standard masks when working with these patients. At least I hope they aren't.

 

[SnohomishRed]

What I've read/heard says that standard masks get wet within 15 to 20 minutes from us breathing through them, and the virus can easily go through a moist mask, and can go around the edges pretty easily too. There are better masks on the market that provide better protection, but not sure how readily available they are.

I would guess that healthcare workers aren't wearing standard masks when working with these patients. At least I hope they aren't.

If everyone wore them then there is a benefit as it prevents infected from coughing or sneezing into open air - That I believe is why the asians always wore masks - when they were sick. However currently not enough to go around and police - fire - medical people need them much more

 

[CheeseRunza]

What I've read/heard says that standard masks get wet within 15 to 20 minutes from us breathing through them, and the virus can easily go through a moist mask, and can go around the edges pretty easily too. There are better masks on the market that provide better protection, but not sure how readily available they are.

I would guess that healthcare workers aren't wearing standard masks when working with these patients. At least I hope they aren't.

Here is a link with a description of masks and their use and effectiveness. I'm guessing that the surgeon general is referring to the N-95 respirator masks.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...t-infection-control/masks-and-n95-respirators

 

[RedMyMind]

This is nothing new. They also know more than climate scientists, etc

Can't really blame ones for being skeptical of government officials

 

[Hoosker Du]

Here is a link with a description of masks and their use and effectiveness. I'm guessing that the surgeon general is referring to the N-95 respirator masks.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...t-infection-control/masks-and-n95-respirators

I believe that N-95 mask is the one I had heard of.

 

[dinglefritz]

Good grief you all.
First off it seems to be no worse than the flu.
Second, if it is truly a species culling virus, there is not a damn thing you can do.

Just simple carpenter knowledge. Not Holiday Inn, or some flaunted doctorate in something that is important somewhere.

Ummm yes this is WAY worse than the flu for millions of people in the developed countries. There is plenty we can do to try to prevent spread and treat the affected. While some are saying a vaccine might be 2 years away, the lab that was working on a SARs vaccine says they may be less than 6 months away from testing.

 

[huskerfan66]

In general I think their populations are much less mobile than ours is. We have a HUGE number of Asians in general who frequently travel back and forth between China, Korea etc and the U.S. I saw one story that stated that there are over 500,000 Chinese national students in the U.S. One theory is that warm weather and higher humidity will slow the spread of the virus. I'm not sure that I buy that it will make much difference in urban environments in this country with crowded mass transit systems. I read one story several days ago where ONE flight attendant exposed hundreds of airline passengers flying back and forth from Korea.

AND a plane is the WORST. All that recirculated air.

 

[SnohomishRed]

now 5 dead and 18 confirmed ill in King and Snohomish counties another 1 million people live in Pierce county just south - Most of cases are eastside which is Kirkland, redmond area plus Bellevue ( think microsoft) I have not heard of any cases in close in Seattle which will be the most high density area but it is a matter of time. So from 4 confirmed cases and 1 death to 5 deaths and 18 confirmed in 2 days.

Correction 6 dead - mostly elderly from the nursing home that is infected - Entire firehouse that serves that area where the home is now quarantined

 

[VandallHuskerJulie]

now 5 dead and 18 confirmed ill in King and Snohomish counties another 1 million people live in Pierce county just south - Most of cases are eastside which is Kirkland, redmond area plus Bellevue ( think microsoft) I have not heard of any cases in close in Seattle which will be the most high density area but it is a matter of time. So from 4 confirmed cases and 1 death to 5 deaths and 18 confirmed in 2 days.

Correction 6 dead - mostly elderly from the nursing home that is infected - Entire firehouse that serves that area where the home is now quarantined

Our stores are already wiped out of hand sanitizer and disinfectant wipes.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

If everyone wore them then there is a benefit as it prevents infected from coughing or sneezing into open air - That I believe is why the asians always wore masks - when they were sick. However currently not enough to go around and police - fire - medical people need them much more

I can’t tell you about other Asians, but Koreans wear them due to their fine dust problem. It hasn’t been much of a problem this year due to Chinese factory closings. They use the same mask for fine dust as they do for coronavirus

 

[huskerfan66]

Our stores are already wiped out of hand sanitizer and disinfectant wipes.

Bought equate brand generic Purell at Wally world the other day. This type of hand sanitizer is alcohol based and won't kill viruses like Lysol does. Just an FYI. Still a good idea to sanitze hands though

 

[Crazyhole]

Bought equate brand generic Purell at Wally world the other day. This type of hand sanitizer is alcohol based and won't kill viruses like Lysol does. Just an FYI. Still a good idea to sanitze hands though

AmWay sells an anti-virus cleaner. Would you be interested in seeing me draw some circles that show how much money you could make just by buying the household products you already need?

 

[VandallHuskerJulie]

Fun fact: you can make your own hand sanitizer! Just went out and bought a bunch of rubbing alcohol and aloevera.

 

[Tommy Tulsa]

So basically we can't stop it and people with prior respiratory issues are at the greatest risk. Sounds to me like its inevitable and the high risk people are equally high risk with influenza or pneumonia.

Equally high risk? This thing kills at a far higher rate than influenza. The flu kills at a rate of .1%. Obviously things are fluid with Covid-19 but it appears that the rate is about 2% in China. Other studies are talking about 1.4% morbidity rate.. Check my stats but doesn't that mean that the morbidity rate is about 1500% greater with Covid-19 vs. the flu?

 

[Charlie Marlow]

Equally high risk? This thing kills at a far higher rate than influenza. The flu kills at a rate of .1%. Obviously things are fluid with Covid-19 but it appears that the rate is about 2% in China. Other studies are talking about 1.4% morbidity rate.. Check my stats but doesn't that mean that the morbidity rate is about 1500% greater with Covid-19 vs. the flu?

Does Tommy Tulsa have a wife?

 

[Crazyhole]

Equally high risk? This thing kills at a far higher rate than influenza. The flu kills at a rate of .1%. Obviously things are fluid with Covid-19 but it appears that the rate is about 2% in China. Other studies are talking about 1.4% morbidity rate.. Check my stats but doesn't that mean that the morbidity rate is about 1500% greater with Covid-19 vs. the flu?

At this point we have no idea what the mortality rate is because there could be hundreds of thousands of people with it that are undiagnosed and have no symptoms. This virus strain is like 2 months old, way too early to know anything.

 

[Hoosker Du]

If everyone wore them then there is a benefit as it prevents infected from coughing or sneezing into open air - That I believe is why the asians always wore masks - when they were sick. However currently not enough to go around and police - fire - medical people need them much more

One thing any mask will do too is to keep us from touching our faces directly, which is how we often expose ourselves to viruses.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Fun fact: you can make your own hand sanitizer! Just went out and bought a bunch of rubbing alcohol and aloevera.

I bet Jeff Bezos is vastly increasing his net worth right now with hand sanitizer and mask sales.

 

[Hoosker Du]

now 5 dead and 18 confirmed ill in King and Snohomish counties another 1 million people live in Pierce county just south - Most of cases are eastside which is Kirkland, redmond area plus Bellevue ( think microsoft) I have not heard of any cases in close in Seattle which will be the most high density area but it is a matter of time. So from 4 confirmed cases and 1 death to 5 deaths and 18 confirmed in 2 days.

Correction 6 dead - mostly elderly from the nursing home that is infected - Entire firehouse that serves that area where the home is now quarantined

Very sad to hear. Stay safe out there.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

One thing any mask will do too is to keep us from touching our faces directly, which is how we often expose ourselves to viruses.

Surface survival vs airborne is greatly increased pro surfaces, and just washing hands and conciously trying to not touch your face works too, but masks help even more.
I remember to completely clean your hands, its like thirty seconds each using two types of soap, maybe someone with more knowledge can help here, but even getting most of it helps.

 

[Crazyhole]

Surface survival vs airborne is greatly increased pro surfaces, and just washing hands and conciously trying to not touch your face works too, but masks help even more.
I remember to completely clean your hands, its like thirty seconds each using two types of soap, maybe someone with more knowledge can help here, but even getting most of it helps.

I'm calling BS on this. Nobody washes their hands for 30 seconds and uses 2 types of soap. Where and when would this even be a thing?

 

[husker2612]

At this point we have no idea what the mortality rate is because there could be hundreds of thousands of people with it that are undiagnosed and have no symptoms. This virus strain is like 2 months old, way too early to know anything.

Right the death statistics are a bit skewed. The only people being tested are those going to the hospital. The only ones who dare get close to a hospital are those we are already very very ill. So basically yes it may have a 2% kill rate, but it is of those that were already probably close to dead. When looking at it that way 2 % of already very sick people isn't horrible.

 

[Crazyhole]

I remember SARS, MERS, and ebola 1 and 2 pretty well. This is the only one that I can think of where people are seriously thinking that they're in the movie "the stand" and are freaking out to this extent.

Yep, we are all gonna get it but civilization will go on like it never happened.

 

[huskerfan66]

I'm calling BS on this. Nobody washes their hands for 30 seconds and uses 2 types of soap. Where and when would this even be a thing?

I thought kids were told they needed to use soap and rub them while singing the ABC song before washing them off with water which would be about 30 seconds. More or less depending upon singing ability!!

 

[tarheelhusker]

Past health scares & panics I’ve survived with a heart ejection fraction of 15%.
Through all of this, I continue to holler, GO BIG RED!! USA # 1

Killer bees migrating from Brazil
mad cow disease
global cooling ice age 2
zika virus
ozone holes
ebola
ebola second attempt
global warming
Asian flu
swine flu
bird flu
avian flu
global warming 35th attempt
west nile virus
global warming 36th attempt
coronavirus
climate change 1st attempt
zika second attempt
H1N1 virus
economic collapse 422nd attempt
SARS
TDS!!
GET BACK TO WORK! Nothing to see here folks! Move along.

 

[Huskers_Rule]

A global pandemic will show all the weaknesses in the global supply chain. Those impacts may be what people remember most.

 

[RedMyMind]

A global pandemic will show all the weaknesses in the global supply chain. Those impacts may be what people remember most.

The global supply chain that I am curious of is about the launch of the new video game consoles this winter. Video game consoles are almost all manufactured in Foxconn in China. Studios have been delayed due to the virus.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Ummm yes this is WAY worse than the flu for millions of people in the developed countries. There is plenty we can do to try to prevent spread and treat the affected. While some are saying a vaccine might be 2 years away, the lab that was working on a SARs vaccine says they may be less than 6 months away from testing.

New RNA vaccine may begin trials in April...this type of vaccine injects rna code into human cells to produce an immune response. Kudos to heroes that test this thing for us....

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Past health scares & panics I’ve survived with a heart ejection fraction of 15%.
Through all of this, I continue to holler, GO BIG RED!! USA # 1

Killer bees migrating from Brazil
mad cow disease
global cooling ice age 2
zika virus
ozone holes
ebola
ebola second attempt
global warming
Asian flu
swine flu
bird flu
avian flu
global warming 35th attempt
west nile virus
global warming 36th attempt
coronavirus
climate change 1st attempt
zika second attempt
H1N1 virus
economic collapse 422nd attempt
SARS
TDS!!
GET BACK TO WORK! Nothing to see here folks! Move along.

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I mean my grandpa survived World War I, World II, and the Spanish Flu....about 200 million people didn't...Even a virus that kills a billion people will still only kill 14% of the planet... and so 6/7 can create dumuss posts like this....

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Right the death statistics are a bit skewed. The only people being tested are those going to the hospital. The only ones who dare get close to a hospital are those we are already very very ill. So basically yes it may have a 2% kill rate, but it is of those that were already probably close to dead. When looking at it that way 2 % of already very sick people isn't horrible.

It is a really weird virus...only 1% of the infections are in the age group 0-19...no deaths from 0-9...this age group can be asymptomatic carriers...there may be a relationship between seasonal coronaviruses that predominantly infect children and the fact that children are not affected by this virus...the media age of infection is about 50 years old, which again is weird because you would expect it to be about 15 years younger, like flu. So either the 0-30 demographic is not getting caught sick, are not getting sick, or are so asymptomatic they are passing the temperature tests. One girl, 20, infected 5 family members but was asymptomatic, never had a fever, sore throat, or evidence in her lungs...but they still found evidence she was carrier. This thing has been in Washington state for 6 weeks, moving freely because I think our President's plan was "no testing, means no virus" Some countries already have drive up testing and the GREAT USA doesn't have test kits in the most busy hospitals. The interesting thing is...it has been in Washington state for 6 weeks and there hadn't been a discernible rush on the hospitals until the first diagnosis. That is a good sign. A 1918 variant of virus would have killed so many people in 6 weeks that it couldn't have stayed hidden. 1918 virus only killed 10% of infected but completely shutdown society. The 2% has to be taken with a grain of salt...those >80 have a 20% chance of death, but also have a very high mortality rate from any pneumonia...>70 is sitting at 10% death rate, and those with cardiovascular disease...many >60 have about an 11% death rate. So the age groups from 60-90 make up more than 80% of the deaths...and those younger than 40 only have a 0.2% chance of death, which of course is lower considering the number of asymptomatic that have not been considered, and that the 0.2% consists of medical professionals who are at high risk. So some scary...some bizarre...and the fact that China appears to be coming out of it...some good.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

Past health scares & panics I’ve survived with a heart ejection fraction of 15%.
Through all of this, I continue to holler, GO BIG RED!! USA # 1

Killer bees migrating from Brazil
mad cow disease
global cooling ice age 2
zika virus
ozone holes
ebola
ebola second attempt
global warming
Asian flu
swine flu
bird flu
avian flu
global warming 35th attempt
west nile virus
global warming 36th attempt
coronavirus
climate change 1st attempt
zika second attempt
H1N1 virus
economic collapse 422nd attempt
SARS
TDS!!
GET BACK TO WORK! Nothing to see here folks! Move along.

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Great list. You forgot hiding under our desks from global nuclear war, Lyme disease and the world running out of oil.

 

[kaz36]

 

[Spectrumalaska]

Agree this would make more sense. New study shows particles from sneezing can travel up to 200 ft and stay suspended in air for up to 10 minutes. The mask would make a huge difference.

Surgeons do not wear a mask so as not to get sick from you, but rather not to get you sick.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Surprising to see Dr. Drew so clueless too. But he is more of a TV celebrity and probably not as well versed as specialists. But it is funny he would support our President speaking on this, when the President just asked why the common flu vaccine wouldn't work for the Coronavirus. This is the guy that says "We're ready and airtight." A guy that clearly illustrates that he has no idea what he is talking about shouldn't be commenting on this virus.

This isn't political...it is to point out that Trump should just stop talking about this virus, and quit misinforming the American public. Allow people that understand viruses do the talking. He truly showed how very little he knows about this topic by asking that question.

The reason why we should be very concerned by the Coronavirus is that it is a new virus. It is not an Influenza Virus. It is a new Coronavirus that originated from just ONE location. It would appear to have many attributes that will make it very difficult to contain. Those attributes have already been discussed.

The incubation period of Influenza is 1 to 4 days. The incubation period for Covid-19 is up to 14 days, and has been as much as 29 days. Now you understand why this virus is a huge threat. We could be spreading it to untold numbers without knowing it. The flu you generally know you have it within a couple days, and you self-quarantine so to speak, by staying home and getting rest, etc..

The reason for the number of deaths of the Influenza virus each year is because it has multiple starting points of transmission at the start of each flu season. The flu virus never permanently goes away. When it gets warm here it is killed off in the northern hemisphere, but will go hangout in the southern hemisphere where it can thrive during the cold weather months down there. This happens each year, and multiple starting points take place each year in each hemisphere.

If the Coronavirus were to get established like the common flu, and have multiple starting points each year, like Influenza does, we would be talking much more than 20 - 50 thousand deaths each year. We would be talking a potential never ending pandemic, that might never go away.

This is why we need to stop minimizing this virus. Estimates on a vaccine are a year or more away. Can you imagine a virus each year, with multiple starting points, like Influenza, with a 2-week incubation period? This is the unknown that makes scientists very nervous.

 

[Baxter48]

Chill out, I know your concerned but until they come up with a vaccine not much any of us can do. Looks like your making yourself more nervous just by your posts. We just need to stay in our normal routine as much as possible, yes there are things we can do to help ourselves out. I’ve read Israel is close to having a vaccine. Don’t get me wrong this is something serious and we all need to be informed about it. But I’m not going to live in a bubble or worry myself sick. Isn’t that what our grandparents did with the likes of polio and the German measles and other diseases that were incurable 100 years ago. They did what they could and kept going

 

[Hoosker Du]

Chill out, I know your concerned but until they come up with a vaccine not much any of us can do. Looks like your making yourself more nervous just by your posts. We just need to stay in our normal routine as much as possible, yes there are things we can do to help ourselves out. I’ve read Israel is close to having a vaccine. Don’t get me wrong this is something serious and we all need to be informed about it. But I’m not going to live in a bubble or worry myself sick. Isn’t that what our grandparents did with the likes of polio and the German measles and other diseases that were incurable 100 years ago. They did what they could and kept going

The point here is that I've seen far too many posts in this thread that just don't get it. People that clearly don't understand what could happen with a virus with this long of an incubation period, and to once and for all dismiss the idea that this couldn't be much more serious than the common flu, if it finds a way to come back each year, and have multiple points of origin each year.

But you are right, we just don't know yet. That in and of itself is what makes these scientists nervous.

 

[Reditus]

As someone else has mentioned..Wash your hands for 30 seconds?

Well here is an informative video that can help you do that.


I really like how they added the little blue light/jelly germ demo. Also liked how they went over it a couple times as repitition helps people like me to remember.