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OT- DC commercial plane and Blackhawk collide

You didn’t answer my question on whether or not you think the accident could have been prevented if the controller was focused on one station. Clearly the chopper was too high. Why didn’t the controller alert the pilot to that? I appreciate your input and not trying to be combative. Eventually I’ll talk to my brother-in-law to get his take too. My view has always been there were multiple potential factors and that is supported by CNN’s former Blackhawk pilot. The one critical factor clearly was the chopper’s elevation.
I did answer your question.

If there was a jet about to take off they were nowhere close to being in the air at the time.

Visual separation was requested and granted=all responsibility is in the helicopter pilots hands.

Almost double the allowed AGL.

This is all on the Blackhawk.

Good day
 
A Chinese national is in prison for just that. Do you think they identified every drone and know what every drone was doing in that area over NJ? I don’t.
So now you are not only saying the group you love lied to you on the first week in office, you are claiming that you know there were foreign adversaries in our airspace that we didn't know about?

The irony of you bragging about being in DC while also talking like someone from DC isn't lost on me. It's so perfect. Say a bunch of nonsense, later claim it's not what you meant, then lie some more. So hilarious.

We need some more bullshit and conspiracy theories in this thread. Where's that easy guy?
 
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So now you are not only saying the group you love lied to you on the first week in office, you are claiming that you know there were foreign adversaries in our airspace that we didn't know about?

The irony of you bragging about being in DC while also talking like someone from DC isn't lost on me. It's so perfect. Say a bunch of nonsense, later claim it's not what you meant, then lie some more. So hilarious.

We need some more bullshit and conspiracy theories in this thread. Where's that easy guy?
What conspiracy theory did I promote? The arrest of the Chinese national spying on a California military installation recently with a drone is factual. He’s in custody. You’re naive if you think the CIA or DOD is going to share everything with us. It took civilians expressing concerns about the balloons to finally get action and an admission that they were being used to spy. The problem is it’s almost impossible to track and identify every drone let alone neutralize it in an urban area without collateral damage. I believe it should be assumed they’re being used to spy on government facilities. It’s too easy.
 
I did answer your question.

If there was a jet about to take off they were nowhere close to being in the air at the time.

Visual separation was requested and granted=all responsibility is in the helicopter pilots hands.

Almost double the allowed AGL.

This is all on the Blackhawk.

Good day
Another retired pilot just stated the video of the crash shows another plane in the air in the area. It hit a little close to home to me after landing on that runway a day before the crash. They’re working to recover the Blackhawk’s flight recordings. They’re saying that will shed light on the pilot’s and crew’s actions. Done. Good day to you as well.
 
Another retired pilot just stated the video of the crash shows another plane in the air in the area. It hit a little close to home to me after landing on that runway a day before the crash. They’re working to recover the Blackhawk’s flight recordings. They’re saying that will shed light on the pilot’s and crew’s actions. Done. Good day to you as well.
Everything outside of flight path, the responsibility of visual separation going to pilot of Blackhawk and almost doubling the AGL ceiling is noise.
 
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Don’t Air Traffic Controllers make shit loads of $$$? And all suffer from terrible depression from the pressure?
 
She. Not that it matters but I thought I heard copter pilot was a she
They’re not disclosing “her” name yet. Earlier I believe it was CNN released photos of the crew. There was one person with a mustache who otherwise appeared to be female 🤷
 
They’re not disclosing “her” name yet. Earlier I believe it was CNN released photos of the crew. There was one person with a mustache who otherwise appeared to be female 🤷
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Ryan O’Hara, the crew chief on the UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter involved in the crash at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington D.C., was part of the 2014 class of Parkview Marine Corps JROTC at Parkview High School in Lilburn.(Ryan O'Hara's family)

The crew included an instructor pilot and pilot in command who were experienced to the point where either crew member “could manage that helicopter by themselves.”

The instructor pilot, who was serving as pilot-in-command, had about 1,000 flight hours, Koziol said.

The instructor pilot was evaluating the second pilot -- who was also qualified as a pilot in command — for that night training flight and the pilot who was being evaluated had about 500 flight hours, Koziol said.

All three military personnel on board were killed in the midair collision between their helicopter and an American Airlines passenger jet late Wednesday at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport just outside Washington, D.C.
 
Yes there was a plane taking off but way north nw and higher elevation than where the accident occurred. Not sure the knowledge of those on here and I don't want to assume anything. But aviation 101 is planes land and take off in the same direction because they need the lift of any possible wind. So a jet was taking off to the nnw as a jet was descending from the sse.

The landing lights are bright if you are looking at them but they're not ALL that visible from the side. It's very possible the copter was looking at the jet departing.
 
What conspiracy theory did I promote? The arrest of the Chinese national spying on a California military installation recently with a drone is factual. He’s in custody. You’re naive if you think the CIA or DOD is going to share everything with us. It took civilians expressing concerns about the balloons to finally get action and an admission that they were being used to spy. The problem is it’s almost impossible to track and identify every drone let alone neutralize it in an urban area without collateral damage. I believe it should be assumed they’re being used to spy on government facilities. It’s too easy.
So the current group claimed the previous group was lying and there was more to the story. They have since confirmed the previous group was correct. So the current group is full of shit? Can I get you on record as saying that?

You are literally still promoting that the drones in Jersey were Chinese, when 2 different groups have said they aren't. In addition to you having no proof. That is a conspiracy theory.
 
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I don’t think those pics are up anymore. Might not be correct or all next of kin haven’t been notified.
I think they're trying to be careful and respectful, as they should, until all family notified. The recovery mission continues and they're doing that as careful as possible too
 
So the current group claimed the previous group was lying and there was more to the story. They have since confirmed the previous group was correct. So the current group is full of shit? Can I get you on record as saying that?

You are literally still promoting that the drones in Jersey were Chinese, when 2 different groups have said they aren't. In addition to you having no proof. That is a conspiracy theory.
Not once did I say all or even most of the drones were Chinese.
 
Hey look, another event clouded in mystery that will be memory-holed in a week or two.
 
So the current group claimed the previous group was lying and there was more to the story. They have since confirmed the previous group was correct. So the current group is full of shit? Can I get you on record as saying that?

You are literally still promoting that the drones in Jersey were Chinese, when 2 different groups have said they aren't. In addition to you having no proof. That is a conspiracy theory.
Most of the hysteria was fomented by a mayor and Congressman from your apparent group chump. 😉.
 
Don’t Air Traffic Controllers make shit loads of $$$? And all suffer from terrible depression from the pressure?
Yes. I personally know 2 former ATC who put in their career and are now retired. Yes the pay is good and you just can't make mistakes
 
I have no group. That's why I don't go around perpetuating misinformation and conspiracy theories. When you don't tie yourself to a certain idealogy, you don't have to find ways to justify that idealogy.
What misinformation or conspiracy theory did I perpetuate? I’ll answer for you. None.
 
I have no group. That's why I don't go around perpetuating misinformation and conspiracy theories. When you don't tie yourself to a certain idealogy, you don't have to find ways to justify that idealogy.
This 100% x 1000%
 
How many were Chinese?
Don’t know. One known of sure in California. Dozens weren’t positively identified in New Jersey. There’s no way for us to know. If you want ME to prove there were Chinese drones there, I can’t nor can you prove Chinese agents weren’t operating a drone or drones spying on our military installation there.
 
He has an obvious group.
I don't think so. I would say he, like I have an obvious opposition to one group (person) in particular. That doesn't mean we have a group. I think the extremes of both groups suck. And both extremes have led us to where we are today.

5 pages of conspiracy about a tragic accident....That may simply be....Gulp an Accident!
 
I have no group. That's why I don't go around perpetuating misinformation and conspiracy theories. When you don't tie yourself to a certain idealogy, you don't have to find ways to justify that idealogy.
C'mon, you have a group that you associate with. The fact that you are passively aggressive with Dingle and his beliefs shows as much.
 
Don’t know. One known of sure in California. Dozens weren’t positively identified in New Jersey. There’s no way for us to know. If you want ME to prove there were Chinese drones there, I can’t nor can you prove Chinese agents weren’t operating a drone or drones spying on our military installation there.
Read post #142. Were those posts you made? You specifically said they were Chinese.

I can't prove anything on these drones or this plane crash. In addition, I don't claim to be an expert or know experts. So, I didn't make up a bunch of stuff to try and sound like I do.
 
C'mon, you have a group that you associate with. The fact that you are passively aggressive with Dingle and his beliefs shows as much.
But I really don't. Before you know.... the old/new guy. I was a member of the group you don't think I belong to. If I could vote across the board as an independent in all elections I would do so. But our system is stupid so I'm stuck picking a side if I want my vote to matter.

I actually like Dingle from the little I know based on his posts. I actually like a lot of people who make me shake my head from time to time. Maybe that's why I come off as passive aggressive. I want to say that's the dumbest shit I've ever read or heard, but want to do it tactfully, yet at the same time, a bit condescending.
 
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He’s part of the group that likes to think and pretend that they aren’t part of a group, which allows them to think that they are unburdened by what has been.
Not even sure what you mean by "has been." Sorry but free thinking and logic shouldn't be relegated to one group or another. Don't mistake my disdain for one person and his sycophants with some kind of love for a relic and far left insanity.

Both extremes are stupid and lack common sense.
 
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C'mon, you have a group that you associate with. The fact that you are passively aggressive with Dingle and his beliefs shows as much.
I absolutely can't stand when people say stuff that isn't true or spread conspiracy theories. Drives me crazy. That is where my passion comes from.

I just had a guy tell me today that his taxes are always going to be high because he's a "single, white, male". That is the kind of nonsense that happens when people spread propaganda and incorrect information. You have dipshits that believe it and don't know enough to form an educated opinion. That is why I hate people just clearly making stuff up. Someone, somewhere is believing it and the cycle never stops.
 
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I don't think so. I would say he, like I have an obvious opposition to one group (person) in particular. That doesn't mean we have a group. I think the extremes of both groups suck. And both extremes have led us to where we are today.

5 pages of conspiracy about a tragic accident....That may simply be....Gulp an Accident!
What is your opposition to the one person? What policies / plans are so objectionable? Be careful, your response may firmly implant you in a group, And well done using the covert language to get around those pesky board rules.
 
I absolutely can't stand when people say stuff that isn't true or spread conspiracy theories. Drives me crazy. That is where my passion comes from.

I just had a guy tell me today that his taxes are always going to be high because he's a "single, white, male". That is the kind of nonsense that happens when people spread propaganda and incorrect information. You have dipshits that believe it and don't know enough to form an educated opinion. That is why I hate people just clearly making stuff up. Someone, somewhere is believing it and the cycle never stops.
That's the problem right now. The top of the heap is doing that very thing. And that's what so mind boggling to me.
 
I don't think so. I would say he, like I have an obvious opposition to one group (person) in particular. That doesn't mean we have a group. I think the extremes of both groups suck. And both extremes have led us to where we are today.

5 pages of conspiracy about a tragic accident....That may simply be....Gulp an Accident!
Exactly. Extremism is ruining this country. Driven by social media.
 
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What is your opposition to the one person? What policies / plans are so objectionable? Be careful, your response may firmly implant you in a group, And well done using the covert language to get around those pesky board rules.
I really can't go into detail per board rules. But I can start with some letters and numbers . 6, 1/2 of 44, VP, C19, 34, ......... very cryptic I know.
 
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