OT- DC commercial plane and Blackhawk collide

[Bruce1981]

You didn’t answer my question on whether or not you think the accident could have been prevented if the controller was focused on one station. Clearly the chopper was too high. Why didn’t the controller alert the pilot to that? I appreciate your input and not trying to be combative. Eventually I’ll talk to my brother-in-law to get his take too. My view has always been there were multiple potential factors and that is supported by CNN’s former Blackhawk pilot. The one critical factor clearly was the chopper’s elevation.

I did answer your question.

If there was a jet about to take off they were nowhere close to being in the air at the time.

Visual separation was requested and granted=all responsibility is in the helicopter pilots hands.

Almost double the allowed AGL.

This is all on the Blackhawk.

Good day

 

[Huskers123456]

A Chinese national is in prison for just that. Do you think they identified every drone and know what every drone was doing in that area over NJ? I don’t.

So now you are not only saying the group you love lied to you on the first week in office, you are claiming that you know there were foreign adversaries in our airspace that we didn't know about?

The irony of you bragging about being in DC while also talking like someone from DC isn't lost on me. It's so perfect. Say a bunch of nonsense, later claim it's not what you meant, then lie some more. So hilarious.

We need some more bullshit and conspiracy theories in this thread. Where's that easy guy?

 

[Walleye79]

Good

You are such a coward

 

[dinglefritz]

So now you are not only saying the group you love lied to you on the first week in office, you are claiming that you know there were foreign adversaries in our airspace that we didn't know about?

The irony of you bragging about being in DC while also talking like someone from DC isn't lost on me. It's so perfect. Say a bunch of nonsense, later claim it's not what you meant, then lie some more. So hilarious.

We need some more bullshit and conspiracy theories in this thread. Where's that easy guy?

What conspiracy theory did I promote? The arrest of the Chinese national spying on a California military installation recently with a drone is factual. He’s in custody. You’re naive if you think the CIA or DOD is going to share everything with us. It took civilians expressing concerns about the balloons to finally get action and an admission that they were being used to spy. The problem is it’s almost impossible to track and identify every drone let alone neutralize it in an urban area without collateral damage. I believe it should be assumed they’re being used to spy on government facilities. It’s too easy.

 

[dinglefritz]

I did answer your question.

If there was a jet about to take off they were nowhere close to being in the air at the time.

Visual separation was requested and granted=all responsibility is in the helicopter pilots hands.

Almost double the allowed AGL.

This is all on the Blackhawk.

Good day

Another retired pilot just stated the video of the crash shows another plane in the air in the area. It hit a little close to home to me after landing on that runway a day before the crash. They’re working to recover the Blackhawk’s flight recordings. They’re saying that will shed light on the pilot’s and crew’s actions. Done. Good day to you as well.

 

[Bruce1981]

Another retired pilot just stated the video of the crash shows another plane in the air in the area. It hit a little close to home to me after landing on that runway a day before the crash. They’re working to recover the Blackhawk’s flight recordings. They’re saying that will shed light on the pilot’s and crew’s actions. Done. Good day to you as well.

Everything outside of flight path, the responsibility of visual separation going to pilot of Blackhawk and almost doubling the AGL ceiling is noise.

 

[NebChicago]

Doesn't look good

Don’t Air Traffic Controllers make shit loads of $$$? And all suffer from terrible depression from the pressure?

 

[dinglefritz]

Everything outside of flight path, the responsibility of visual separation going to pilot of Blackhawk and almost doubling the AGL ceiling is noise.

I do appreciate your input. Thanks.

 

[dinglefritz]

She. Not that it matters but I thought I heard copter pilot was a she

They’re not disclosing “her” name yet. Earlier I believe it was CNN released photos of the crew. There was one person with a mustache who otherwise appeared to be female 🤷

 

[huskerfan66]

They’re not disclosing “her” name yet. Earlier I believe it was CNN released photos of the crew. There was one person with a mustache who otherwise appeared to be female 🤷

Oh my

 

[dinglefritz]

Oh my

I don’t think those pics are up anymore. Might not be correct or all next of kin haven’t been notified.

 

[cavalot]

They’re not disclosing “her” name yet. Earlier I believe it was CNN released photos of the crew. There was one person with a mustache who otherwise appeared to be female 🤷

Ryan O’Hara, the crew chief on the UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter involved in the crash at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington D.C., was part of the 2014 class of Parkview Marine Corps JROTC at Parkview High School in Lilburn.(Ryan O'Hara's family)

The crew included an instructor pilot and pilot in command who were experienced to the point where either crew member “could manage that helicopter by themselves.”

The instructor pilot, who was serving as pilot-in-command, had about 1,000 flight hours, Koziol said.

The instructor pilot was evaluating the second pilot -- who was also qualified as a pilot in command — for that night training flight and the pilot who was being evaluated had about 500 flight hours, Koziol said.

All three military personnel on board were killed in the midair collision between their helicopter and an American Airlines passenger jet late Wednesday at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport just outside Washington, D.C.

 

[huskerfan66]

Yes there was a plane taking off but way north nw and higher elevation than where the accident occurred. Not sure the knowledge of those on here and I don't want to assume anything. But aviation 101 is planes land and take off in the same direction because they need the lift of any possible wind. So a jet was taking off to the nnw as a jet was descending from the sse.

The landing lights are bright if you are looking at them but they're not ALL that visible from the side. It's very possible the copter was looking at the jet departing.

 

[Huskers123456]

What conspiracy theory did I promote? The arrest of the Chinese national spying on a California military installation recently with a drone is factual. He’s in custody. You’re naive if you think the CIA or DOD is going to share everything with us. It took civilians expressing concerns about the balloons to finally get action and an admission that they were being used to spy. The problem is it’s almost impossible to track and identify every drone let alone neutralize it in an urban area without collateral damage. I believe it should be assumed they’re being used to spy on government facilities. It’s too easy.

So the current group claimed the previous group was lying and there was more to the story. They have since confirmed the previous group was correct. So the current group is full of shit? Can I get you on record as saying that?

You are literally still promoting that the drones in Jersey were Chinese, when 2 different groups have said they aren't. In addition to you having no proof. That is a conspiracy theory.

 

[huskerfan66]

I don’t think those pics are up anymore. Might not be correct or all next of kin haven’t been notified.

I think they're trying to be careful and respectful, as they should, until all family notified. The recovery mission continues and they're doing that as careful as possible too

 

[dinglefritz]

So the current group claimed the previous group was lying and there was more to the story. They have since confirmed the previous group was correct. So the current group is full of shit? Can I get you on record as saying that?

You are literally still promoting that the drones in Jersey were Chinese, when 2 different groups have said they aren't. In addition to you having no proof. That is a conspiracy theory.

Not once did I say all or even most of the drones were Chinese.

 

[c3o]

Hey look, another event clouded in mystery that will be memory-holed in a week or two.

 

[dinglefritz]

So the current group claimed the previous group was lying and there was more to the story. They have since confirmed the previous group was correct. So the current group is full of shit? Can I get you on record as saying that?

You are literally still promoting that the drones in Jersey were Chinese, when 2 different groups have said they aren't. In addition to you having no proof. That is a conspiracy theory.

Most of the hysteria was fomented by a mayor and Congressman from your apparent group chump. 😉.

 

[regoratsginrom]

Good

Found the true dipshit of this thread

No shit

 

[Huskers123456]

Not once did I say all or even most of the drones were Chinese.

How many were Chinese?

 

[RedMyMind]

Don’t Air Traffic Controllers make shit loads of $$$? And all suffer from terrible depression from the pressure?

Happened on Breaking Bad

 

[Huskers123456]

Most of the hysteria was fomented by a mayor and Congressman from your apparent group chump. 😉.

I have no group. That's why I don't go around perpetuating misinformation and conspiracy theories. When you don't tie yourself to a certain idealogy, you don't have to find ways to justify that idealogy.

 

[huskerfan66]

Don’t Air Traffic Controllers make shit loads of $$$? And all suffer from terrible depression from the pressure?

Yes. I personally know 2 former ATC who put in their career and are now retired. Yes the pay is good and you just can't make mistakes

 

[dinglefritz]

I have no group. That's why I don't go around perpetuating misinformation and conspiracy theories. When you don't tie yourself to a certain idealogy, you don't have to find ways to justify that idealogy.

What misinformation or conspiracy theory did I perpetuate? I’ll answer for you. None.

 

[Huskers123456]

What misinformation or conspiracy theory did I perpetuate? I’ll answer for you. None.

That there was at least 1 Chinese spy drone over NJ during the event in question.

 

[cavalot]

I have no group. That's why I don't go around perpetuating misinformation and conspiracy theories. When you don't tie yourself to a certain idealogy, you don't have to find ways to justify that idealogy.

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