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OT. Anyone fight with spouse about money?

You should never let something as unimportant as money dictate your marriage.

Had a near death experience once. Went to the place you can’t explain. Only thing that mattered were my 3 boys and my wife. All that money I made never even crossed my mind. Gave me a new perspective and I’m very grateful for my experience
All the money I made? So you’re saying you are set up good in life and for retirement? Money wouldn’t cross my mind either and I wouldn’t fight with my wife about a budget if I was. My OP is about how I can get through to my wife about how and where we should be focusing our dollars. Our marriage and family are solid. I would like to be more fiscally frugal in these times.
 
All the money I made? So you’re saying you are set up good in life and for retirement? Money wouldn’t cross my mind either and I wouldn’t fight with my wife about a budget if I was. My OP is about how I can get through to my wife about how and where we should be focusing our dollars. Our marriage and family are solid. I would like to be more fiscally frugal in these times.
Then be what you set out to be. If that’s your goal, seems rather easy discussion you can have with her. No offense, but if your wife doesn’t understand she can’t spend like crazy when things are tight - then there’s no help for you
 
Pretty much most marriages. Not happy, not really unhappy, but you basically are just in that routine and counting down the days.

I am guessing, if not for the kid, that businesses partnership would be over.
Married guys are much happier and live longer than single guys

Take inventory of your life. Youll get to your mid fifties and have major regrets. Best case scenario, youll find former beauty queen with 3 bratty kids that despise you. Yea!

My only regret? Not having more kids. Love my wife and my life. Would not trade it, and it is far from perfect.
 
Married guys are much happier and live longer than single guys

Take inventory of your life. Youll get to your mid fifties and have major regrets. Best case scenario, youll find former beauty queen with 3 bratty kids that despise you. Yea!

My only regret? Not having more kids. Love my wife and my life. Would not trade it, and it is far from perfect.
Ignorance is bliss. People who don’t get it, may never get it, and they think they’ve got it made.
 
I know this guy who works a job like other guys, and support his kids like millions and billions of men before him and he got married to a woman he professed to love, probably drives a 50k-60k truck, spends 10k on hunting, fishing, and other exploits a year...might spend a couple thousand on alcohol and tobacco but inflation is real bad so he tells his wife he needs to monitor her spending. He doesn't like the answer he gets so he goes on a public message board full of degenerates, and divorcees, and perverts, and probably worse to complain about her in the hopes that..... Probably should have said talk to a therapist then your wife.
 
Married guys are much happier and live longer than single guys

Take inventory of your life. Youll get to your mid fifties and have major regrets. Best case scenario, youll find former beauty queen with 3 bratty kids that despise you. Yea!

My only regret? Not having more kids. Love my wife and my life. Would not trade it, and it is far from perfect.
Can I ask how old you were when you got married and how many kids you have?
 
I know this guy who works a job like other guys, and support his kids like millions and billions of men before him and he got married to a woman he professed to love, probably drives a 50k-60k truck, spends 10k on hunting, fishing, and other exploits a year...might spend a couple thousand on alcohol and tobacco but inflation is real bad so he tells his wife he needs to monitor her spending. He doesn't like the answer he gets so he goes on a public message board full of degenerates, and divorcees, and perverts, and probably worse to complain about her in the hopes that..... Probably should have said talk to a therapist then your wife.
Who hurt you? Was it your father?
 
Can I ask how old you were when you got married and how many kids you have?
30 and 2. I was not mature enough to marry in my late 20s. Then I sobered up and realized all of the good ones were flying off the market. It was time to act.
 
30 and 2. I was not mature enough to marry in my late 20s. Then I sobered up and realized all of the good ones were flying off the market. It was time to act.
Do you mean you stopped drinking? Or are you just using that term as is you "sobered" up and knew you needed to settle down.
 
Do you mean you stopped drinking? Or are you just using that term as is you "sobered" up and knew you needed to settle down.
I needed to settle down. Had some friends pairing off, starting families and on good career paths. I knew I eventually wanted to get there. I did not want to be the single guy at the BBQ anymore, as much as I do like having complete time freedom for the most part.
 
I needed to settle down. Had some friends pairing off, starting families and on good career paths. I knew I eventually wanted to get there. I did not want to be the single guy at the BBQ anymore, as much as I do like having complete time freedom for the most part.
Makes sense.

And you are happy, so that is awesome! That is what people who get married hope for!

Sadly, 50% end in divorce and that probably means there is another huge % that want to end their marriage but can't/don't for some reason.
 
There is a lot of that. I hope none of our douchey fans are doing this on other boards.
I don't think most of us even check other boards...there are probably 10-12 boards that have a lot of traffic.. in the Big Ten it is probably just us, OSU, Michigan and PSU.
 
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Makes sense.

And you are happy, so that is awesome! That is what people who get married hope for!

Sadly, 50% end in divorce and that probably means there is another huge % that want to end their marriage but can't/don't for some reason.
Yes, sad statistic indeed. Someone in the comments put it well. You get out what you put in. Most of us wrestle with our own selfishness. Its work and reward. In the past, people hung together and got through hard times. Less so the last 40 years
 
Yes, sad statistic indeed. Someone in the comments put it well. You get out what you put in. Most of us wrestle with our own selfishness. Its work and reward. In the past, people hung together and got through hard times. Less so the last 40 years
Well, mostly because women basically had no rights, few options in the work force and were expected to get married by 22. The stigma, for a woman that got divorced, was pretty brutal.
 
But they do, right? I mean, if they don't "know" and they are happy then they are in fact, happy.
Precisely.

This is exactly what I say when people try to explain away the numerous studies that show people who only had one sexual partner, their spouse, report higher sexual satisfaction, overall happiness in marriage, and sexual frequency than thosw with multiple partners before marriage.

“Well they just dont know what they’re missing!”

Ok? They are happy and having a lot of satisfying sex. Who cares?

The satisfaction drops with each added partner until about 10, stabilizes and even rises again after that, but those with 1 or 2 partners are most satisfied.

(My hypothesis on the rise again after about 10 is people feel used and are so glad to be settled with one person)
 
Well, mostly because women basically had no rights, few options in the work force and were expected to get married by 22. The stigma, for a woman that got divorced, was pretty brutal.
While there is some truth to what youre saying, I think its overblown and not the number 1 reason. you cannot ignore the fact that martiage was seen as much more sacred in our grandparents time, much more of a partnership, and they were less likely to have multiple sexual partners.
 
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Precisely.

This is exactly what I say when people try to explain away the numerous studies that show people who only had one sexual partner, their spouse, report higher sexual satisfaction, overall happiness in marriage, and sexual frequency than thosw with multiple partners before marriage.

“Well they just dont know what they’re missing!”

Ok? They are happy and having a lot of satisfying sex. Who cares?

The satisfaction drops with each added partner until about 10, stabilizes and even rises again after that, but those with 1 or 2 partners are most satisfied.

(My hypothesis on the rise again after about 10 is people feel used and are so glad to be settled with one person)
Exactly! If you are happy, you are happy. Period.
 
While there is some truth to what youre saying, I think its overblown and not the number 1 reason. you cannot ignore the fact that martiage was seen as much more sacred in our grandparents time, much more of a partnership, and they were less likely to have multiple sexual partners.
Maybe...BUT...my grandparents time was a long as time ago.

1900, the average age of marriage for a woman was 22, which means she was "going steady" with someone by what, 18? 19? and engaged by 20.

That really doesn't give a lot of time to meet (and bone) other people.

I would argue it is MORE sacred today just due to the fact of the number of people that get married in a religious ceremony.
 
Precisely.

This is exactly what I say when people try to explain away the numerous studies that show people who only had one sexual partner, their spouse, report higher sexual satisfaction, overall happiness in marriage, and sexual frequency than thosw with multiple partners before marriage.

“Well they just dont know what they’re missing!”

Ok? They are happy and having a lot of satisfying sex. Who cares?

The satisfaction drops with each added partner until about 10, stabilizes and even rises again after that, but those with 1 or 2 partners are most satisfied.

(My hypothesis on the rise again after about 10 is people feel used and are so glad to be settled with one person)
Those that were growing up and had only 1 sexual partner, their wife, probably just had no game.
 
I know this guy who works a job like other guys, and support his kids like millions and billions of men before him and he got married to a woman he professed to love, probably drives a 50k-60k truck, spends 10k on hunting, fishing, and other exploits a year...might spend a couple thousand on alcohol and tobacco but inflation is real bad so he tells his wife he needs to monitor her spending. He doesn't like the answer he gets so he goes on a public message board full of degenerates, and divorcees, and perverts, and probably worse to complain about her in the hopes that..... Probably should have said talk to a therapist then your wife.
Oh I see you took a break from Nintendo today. Good for you!
 
Maybe...BUT...my grandparents time was a long as time ago.

1900, the average age of marriage for a woman was 22, which means she was "going steady" with someone by what, 18? 19? and engaged by 20.

That really doesn't give a lot of time to meet (and bone) other people.

I would argue it is MORE sacred today just due to the fact of the number of people that get married in a religious ceremony.
People were more religious back then, this is fact that is not debate-able.
They matured faster. There are reasons for this.
Women have evolved and are having menapause later. Biological clocks of yesteryear were not as they are now.
Not having time to bone other people is a positive, not a negative. Marriage outcomes are better the less people you “bone”.
Not sure why its bad to go steady by 18 or whatever. Their marriages were steonger overall than today and I dont buy that its because women wanted to sleep around but the man wouldnt let them.
 
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Those that were growing up and had only 1 sexual partner, their wife, probably just had no game.
Probably depends on when they met their wife. I mean some dudes just hit the jackpot early and are smart enough to stick with it.

This is women who were studied, btw.
 
People were more religious back then, this is fact that is not debate-able.
They matured faster. There are reasons for this.
Women have evolved and are having menapause later. Biological clocks of yesteryear were not as they are now.
Not having time to bone other people is a positive, not a negative. Marriage outcomes are better the less people you “bone”.
Not sure why its bad to go steady by 18 or whatever. Their marriages were steonger overall than today and I dont buy that its because women wanted to sleep around but the man wouldnt let them.
What does "more religious" mean? There are more religious people in the world today than 100 years ago.
 
Cohabitation is also a huge predictor of divorce. Couples who do not cohabitate before marriage are much less likely to divorce. Cohabitation didnt happen in our grandparents time at all.
 
Cohabitation is also a huge predictor of divorce. Couples who do not cohabitate before marriage are much less likely to divorce. Cohabitation didnt happen in our grandparents time at all.
100% of people who never lived together and were married and then divorced have divorced. 0% of people who have lived together and never married have divorced. Think of all of the millions of divorces and broken families saved by people living together first.
 
We are your average family, aren’t broke but not killing it by any means, I just want to tighten the screws in this moment of life, she actually brings more home to the bank at her teaching job, way higher on the scale due to her advancement. But I see the actual numbers on our lifestyle and feel we need to adjust. The problem lies that she grew up poor where her family always carried consumer debt. Mine did not. We’ve cleaned up her credit card debt and student loans but now I want to plan for ours and our kids future. She thinks I’m a buzz kill. We argue and fight. The world keeps spinning.

Start by paying yourself first, always. Or, save a certain set of your income first and always. Agree that you will both do this.

Even if you have debt you want to pay off, still save first. Reason is saving is a habit. Even if it’s a tiny amount. If you don’t, 5-10 years will go by, and you’ll have saved nothing. Also, it takes awhile, but after 2+ years you start to see your money pile up, saving itself starts to become addicting/fun. Do NOT keep this money in cash if you can help it.

Then budget up the rest. Cut up all of your credit cards, or hide them, if that is your problem.

You really want +EV, put all savings into ETH and BTC and cash out the next top in 2025. ;-)
 
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