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OT. Anyone fight with spouse about money?

Yeah, but then that goes back to actually having to talk to her.

No thanks.
I still want to see all the married couples that are always sitting around and talking to each other all day long.

One of my friends that usually drives us to Lincoln on game day is married and by all accounts happily.

He works nights, she works during the day. He has the basement to himself and she has the living room to herself.

He says that they basically see each other in the morning, when he is coming home from work and she is leaving for work.

Out of all my married friends, they seem to be the only wants that are happy.
 
I still want to see all the married couples that are always sitting around and talking to each other all day long.

One of my friends that usually drives us to Lincoln on game day is married and by all accounts happily.

He works nights, she works during the day. He has the basement to himself and she has the living room to herself.

He says that they basically see each other in the morning, when he is coming home from work and she is leaving for work.

Out of all my married friends, they seem to be the only wants that are happy.
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I still want to see all the married couples that are always sitting around and talking to each other all day long.

One of my friends that usually drives us to Lincoln on game day is married and by all accounts happily.

He works nights, she works during the day. He has the basement to himself and she has the living room to herself.

He says that they basically see each other in the morning, when he is coming home from work and she is leaving for work.

Out of all my married friends, they seem to be the only wants that are happy.
Typically friend circles will have a lot in common with one another because they have similar values. My point being, it’s typically not a diverse sample.
 
I still want to see all the married couples that are always sitting around and talking to each other all day long.

One of my friends that usually drives us to Lincoln on game day is married and by all accounts happily.

He works nights, she works during the day. He has the basement to himself and she has the living room to herself.

He says that they basically see each other in the morning, when he is coming home from work and she is leaving for work.

Out of all my married friends, they seem to be the only wants that are happy.


That sounds absolutely terrible to me....
 
Love Dave Ramsey, I’m still in the Davish mode and not full on Dave, working on it but the wife she just doesn’t get it. She grew up poor and thinks it’s ok to live like this. That we have a young family and life is expensive. I grew up middle class where my parents worked full time and farmed/cattle in the after hours. I was fortunate and my parents were able to help me through college, she did the student loan route. I’m trying to give my kids the debt free route. Can’t seem to pound that idea into my wife’s brain though. I’d like to grab life by the balls rather than the other way around!
If you asked my financial advice, which you didn't so feel free to skip, I'd say this based on the above:

Forget sending your kids to college with the "debt free" route. How old are they?

The first thing you should do is max out your retirement investing. There are a few reasons for this.
1) That's money your wife can't touch unless you die, in which case she'll need it and it will benefit her and your kids. If you live you'll know your future is being protected.
2)This way you know that whatever you are spending after your paychecks/investing, you can afford it since you are paying yourself first. (This obviously does not include credit card debt, which I hope your wife is not getting into.)


I would set up automatic contributions to an emergency savings fund that is in a separate high interest savings account. If you dont have one already you need one, pronto. It doesn't have to be much each month depending on what your emergency savings is now. Three months expenses is minimum, six months ideal. Once you have that you don't have to save for it anymore unless you need to replenish after an emergency.

So, at this point here's what you have and what you tell your wife.
1) Mortgage is automatically deducted each month. (Utilities are being paid each month I'm assuming)
2) Retirement is MAXED OUT every month (don't need to even tell her this)
3) Emergency savings is getting auto filled until we have X amount and then it can be put on hold
4) Spend the rest and be guilt free about it. "Spend the rest honey" works well. Give and take. Save=spend. This is the trade off. "Once we've saved X, you can spend the rest on anything and I won't question it at all."

Now when it comes to the kids and college, be realistic and honest with them about cost of college. The #1 thing your kids need is mom and dad to be married and loving each other. That's the most important thing they need to be successful in their lives. The second thing your kids will thank you for is being self-sufficient in your elder years. You want to be able to have enough retirement funds to take care of yourself without having to borrow money from your kids. That's FAR more important than paying for their college!

Then be honest with them about how much, or how little, you can help them with college. Guess what? It's their life and you've put a roof over their head, fed them, loved them, etc. Its up to them to get scholarships and be smart about their future. Don't mortgage your future and then they have to pay for it later!

If your wife wants to be responsible after all this, offer to save in a 529 plan for your kids. You can also try to tell her "lets try to save for a vacation" and then use all the money. She might like saving when she sees the rewards of it.

Bottom line, max your retirement before you pay for college.
 
I don’t got the stones to bet it all on horses
I'm tied up in business right now, but the horses played no part in the way we handle(d) our finances. I'll elaborate when I have more time. Believe it or not, we were winning the money game before I ever started playing horses professionally.
 
If you asked my financial advice, which you didn't so feel free to skip, I'd say this based on the above:

Forget sending your kids to college with the "debt free" route. How old are they?

The first thing you should do is max out your retirement investing. There are a few reasons for this.
1) That's money your wife can't touch unless you die, in which case she'll need it and it will benefit her and your kids. If you live you'll know your future is being protected.
2)This way you know that whatever you are spending after your paychecks/investing, you can afford it since you are paying yourself first. (This obviously does not include credit card debt, which I hope your wife is not getting into.)


I would set up automatic contributions to an emergency savings fund that is in a separate high interest savings account. If you dont have one already you need one, pronto. It doesn't have to be much each month depending on what your emergency savings is now. Three months expenses is minimum, six months ideal. Once you have that you don't have to save for it anymore unless you need to replenish after an emergency.

So, at this point here's what you have and what you tell your wife.
1) Mortgage is automatically deducted each month. (Utilities are being paid each month I'm assuming)
2) Retirement is MAXED OUT every month (don't need to even tell her this)
3) Emergency savings is getting auto filled until we have X amount and then it can be put on hold
4) Spend the rest and be guilt free about it. "Spend the rest honey" works well. Give and take. Save=spend. This is the trade off. "Once we've saved X, you can spend the rest on anything and I won't question it at all."

Now when it comes to the kids and college, be realistic and honest with them about cost of college. The #1 thing your kids need is mom and dad to be married and loving each other. That's the most important thing they need to be successful in their lives. The second thing your kids will thank you for is being self-sufficient in your elder years. You want to be able to have enough retirement funds to take care of yourself without having to borrow money from your kids. That's FAR more important than paying for their college!

Then be honest with them about how much, or how little, you can help them with college. Guess what? It's their life and you've put a roof over their head, fed them, loved them, etc. Its up to them to get scholarships and be smart about their future. Don't mortgage your future and then they have to pay for it later!

If your wife wants to be responsible after all this, offer to save in a 529 plan for your kids. You can also try to tell her "lets try to save for a vacation" and then use all the money. She might like saving when she sees the rewards of it.

Bottom line, max your retirement before you pay for college.
Guess what husker? Nobody asked my opinion on finances either, but they're still gonna get my opinion when I have some time. You make some really good points, well worth reading.
 
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I'm tied up in business right now, but the horses played no part in the way we handle(d) our finances. I'll elaborate when I have more time. Believe it or not, we were winning the money game before I ever started playing horses professionally.
Easy - is horse betting your full time job?
 
We have separate, we each cover certain expenses. I got the mortgage, utilities, fuel. She covers daycare, groceries, internet, tv, kids stuff. It’s all equal and hers is mine and mine is hers. Where I struggle with her is I literally can’t bring up starting a real budget, it always ends with the same shit. Her crying and me angry. I need to come up with a way to get through to her about how we can do better financially than we are if we adapt our spending. We have a solid marriage, I just want to be more on the same page.

When we got married, she had 5k in credit card debt plus 15k in student loans. Making minimum payments. I had to keep on her and stay diligent about paying as much as we could to get them paid off. We cleaned that debt out then a few years later she racked up 2k on credit cards and was making minimum payments. She had the money in the bank to pay it off but didn’t want to lose her savings at once. That was an epic fight! The credit card was paid off that day and cut up.

For whatever reason, she just won’t get fully on board with me and follow the math and facts.
So she paid off the loan debt, the credit card debt, and the credit card is torn up? Dude, victories. Big victories. Sounds like things are better than you think and if she"s crying and you"re yelling you are part of the problem
 
Woah, woah, woah - plenty of happy folks with joint accounts. When we entered into marriage we opted for better or worse and to share all things. Including- gasp- our money 😉
Yeah we have joint accounts, and if we didn't I think it would be very bad for us. My wife would be in a bad place financially, which would mean I would also be in a bad place financially, and it would be unknown until crap hit the fan or retirement and then it'd be too late to correct.

I don't think there's a "right way", but joint is what we do and it works.
 
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I still want to see all the married couples that are always sitting around and talking to each other all day long.

One of my friends that usually drives us to Lincoln on game day is married and by all accounts happily.

He works nights, she works during the day. He has the basement to himself and she has the living room to herself.

He says that they basically see each other in the morning, when he is coming home from work and she is leaving for work.

Out of all my married friends, they seem to be the only wants that are happy.
Gee. Wonder what she does all those long lonely nights?🤔
 
I only follow @NikkiSixx advice on relationships, so I’m waiting for him to chime in.
women are basically adult children.. and trying to hold them to some sort of accountability is extremely difficult. If you ever get an apology, you must be special, but otherwise it's never too late to get red pilled and get control again over your relationship. It's really about you being the best version of yourself and your wife will thrive under the new you.. and if not, you can find a younger model with less miles on it.

 
women are basically adult children.. and trying to hold them to some sort of accountability is extremely difficult. If you ever get an apology, you must be special, but otherwise it's never too late to get red pilled and get control again over your relationship. It's really about you being the best version of yourself and your wife will thrive under the new you.. and if not, you can find a younger model with less miles on it.

Message board geniuses material 🤣🤣
 
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Message board geniuses material 🤣🤣
i can't help but try to be a little serious.. but most of you all are taking the little things way too seriously.. if you have your crap together, who cares what the wife does? she either gets with the program or she gets replaced by someone who does. it really is that simple from a red pill perspective.
 
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We have separate, we each cover certain expenses. I got the mortgage, utilities, fuel. She covers daycare, groceries, internet, tv, kids stuff. It’s all equal and hers is mine and mine is hers. Where I struggle with her is I literally can’t bring up starting a real budget, it always ends with the same shit. Her crying and me angry. I need to come up with a way to get through to her about how we can do better financially than we are if we adapt our spending. We have a solid marriage, I just want to be more on the same page.

When we got married, she had 5k in credit card debt plus 15k in student loans. Making minimum payments. I had to keep on her and stay diligent about paying as much as we could to get them paid off. We cleaned that debt out then a few years later she racked up 2k on credit cards and was making minimum payments. She had the money in the bank to pay it off but didn’t want to lose her savings at once. That was an epic fight! The credit card was paid off that day and cut up.

For whatever reason, she just won’t get fully on board with me and follow the math and facts.
Not to be a dick, but where does your wife get lost in all the extra (and extremely high) interest she has to make with the minimum loan payments?

Does she not get it or does she just not care?
 
We’ll if you’re going full Ramsey, I might have a problem with that too. His advice is pretty extreme and not being willing to take out a loan for a worthwhile investment can be a foolish exercise.
loans of any kind are expensive.
 
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i can't help but try to be a little serious.. but most of you all are taking the little things way too seriously.. if you have your crap together, who cares what the wife does? she either gets with the program or she gets replaced by someone who does. it really is that simple from a red pill perspective.
Women don't want pussies. The "happy wife happy life" and "the woman is always right" jargon is horrible advice for both men and the miserable women who are married to emasculated, wishy-washy wimps.
Be the best version of yourself is absolutely great advice. Be excellent, expect excellence from her, and lead your damn family. You keep your cool no matter what because you have stuff under control and if she acts out it doesnt get to you and you don't have time for it. That's what she wants.
 
29 the current marriage. I also had a practice marriage at 24 that lasted 18 months. Why did you feel a need to ask if you don't mind me asking.
Honestly, and this is just me, I think people that get married early have never really experienced not being married so...they only know "that life".

I would guess that being married young(er) would mean the marriage lasts but like you said, you had a starter marriage so who knows.

Why did your 18 month one end?

That would put you at 26...when you met the current wife and married 3 years later?
 
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