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OT. Anyone fight with spouse about money?

My wife is great, wonderful mother and has many awesome qualities. Her worst quality by far is that she literally does not care about how much money she makes. I’m a planner and often ask what her projected salary is so I can start calculating budget stuff, her answer is idk. It’s astonishing to me that I watch her work her butt off each day teaching kids, then coach vb then come home and grade papers at night all while pursuing higher education online and somehow doesn’t seem to give a shit about the financial part of the deal. But I digress, we fight about money because I want to know where all of our dollars are going and she doesn’t seem worried about it.
Don’t worry. Be happy. If she keeps her teaching job and maxes out the retirement options she has due to her occupation you’ll be fine. Teachers have great retirement plan options. Do what you do but just make sure you’re putting money away from your income. The mere fact that you’re venting here is probably a sign that you’re worrying too much about it.
 
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We are your average family, aren’t broke but not killing it by any means, I just want to tighten the screws in this moment of life, she actually brings more home to the bank at her teaching job, way higher on the scale due to her advancement. But I see the actual numbers on our lifestyle and feel we need to adjust. The problem lies that she grew up poor where her family always carried consumer debt. Mine did not. We’ve cleaned up her credit card debt and student loans but now I want to plan for ours and our kids future. She thinks I’m a buzz kill. We argue and fight. The world keeps spinning.
Like someone else said, start with the end in mind. What do we need to do now to make sure we are good at retirement. Go together to visit a financial advisor to have them give you a projection. Brings in a 3rd party as a buffer and it is an “expert” telling her what needs to be done, not you.
 
We’ll if you’re going full Ramsey, I might have a problem with that too. His advice is pretty extreme and not being willing to take out a loan for a worthwhile investment can be a foolish exercise.
If one is struggling to make ends meet - taking on a loan for an investment probably isn’t high on the priority list.
 
We are your average family, aren’t broke but not killing it by any means, I just want to tighten the screws in this moment of life, she actually brings more home to the bank at her teaching job, way higher on the scale due to her advancement. But I see the actual numbers on our lifestyle and feel we need to adjust. The problem lies that she grew up poor where her family always carried consumer debt. Mine did not. We’ve cleaned up her credit card debt and student loans but now I want to plan for ours and our kids future. She thinks I’m a buzz kill. We argue and fight. The world keeps spinning.
The good thing is between her salary and your work ethic you likely have a great opportunity to shrink the debt and increase the investment.
 
If one is struggling to make ends meet - taking on a loan for an investment probably isn’t high on the priority list.
The calls I’ve listened to Ramsey botch didn’t involve people struggling to make ends meet. There’s such a thing as being too financially conservative too. I’ve done well but my risk averse nature in hindsight cost me hundred of thousands of dollars at least in real estate opportunities I passed on. Actually probably several million. It’s just a matter of experience, common sense and confidence. You don’t want to get too far out over your skis but…..
 
Please offer up what information you use to determine inflation rates as I’m always open to learning more.

The consumer price index is down significantly from a year ago 9.1% vs 3% so the rate of inflation is reducing. As someone else mentioned the two year rolling average is also going down 7.25% vs ~6.1%.

The CPI is one of many tools used to set economic policy in this country so yes I feel comfortable as a data point (not the only).

The raw materials at my work are starting to come down and are aligning with where they were a year ago - which is also bonkers high when compared to pre-covid, which I would say is also another data point. I have friends that are running restaurants and their experience is similar.

If you believe inflation is continuing at the same rate as a year ago please offer your sources when you discount mine.

It has slowed considerably. CPI is a joke to me until they start factoring in food and energy.

I am of the belief that retailers used the cover of inflation to artificially jack up prices on some products to a minimum level. When I worked in B2B, I could see all of the wholesale prices. We marked up some items 300% to make up for the more competitive products that were at 10%.
 
Please offer up what information you use to determine inflation rates as I’m always open to learning more.

The consumer price index is down significantly from a year ago 9.1% vs 3% so the rate of inflation is reducing. As someone else mentioned the two year rolling average is also going down 7.25% vs ~6.1%.

The CPI is one of many tools used to set economic policy in this country so yes I feel comfortable as a data point (not the only).

The raw materials at my work are starting to come down and are aligning with where they were a year ago - which is also bonkers high when compared to pre-covid, which I would say is also another data point. I have friends that are running restaurants and their experience is similar.

If you believe inflation is continuing at the same rate as a year ago please offer your sources when you discount mine.

It has slowed considerably. CPI is a joke to me until they start factoring in food and energy.

I am of the belief that the a lot of retailers used the cover of inflation to artificially jack up prices on some products to a minimum level. When I worked in B2B, I could see all of the wholesale prices. We marked up some items 300% to make up for the more competitive products that were at 10%.
 
It has slowed considerably. CPI is a joke to me until they start factoring in food and energy.

I am of the belief that the a lot of retailers used the cover of inflation to artificially jack up prices on some products to a minimum level. When I worked in B2B, I could see all of the wholesale prices. We marked up some items 300% to make up for the more competitive products that were at 10%.
I think food is included (certain staple subgroups) and some government provided utilities (water/sewer) are included.
 
Please offer up what information you use to determine inflation rates as I’m always open to learning more.

The consumer price index is down significantly from a year ago 9.1% vs 3% so the rate of inflation is reducing. As someone else mentioned the two year rolling average is also going down 7.25% vs ~6.1%.

The CPI is one of many tools used to set economic policy in this country so yes I feel comfortable as a data point (not the only).

The raw materials at my work are starting to come down and are aligning with where they were a year ago - which is also bonkers high when compared to pre-covid, which I would say is also another data point. I have friends that are running restaurants and their experience is similar.

If you believe inflation is continuing at the same rate as a year ago please offer your sources when you discount mine.

Looks like energy is the main driver of the 3% inflation #. I think there is going to be a lot of concerned folks when this # starts rising again..

 
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Has to be more out there like me. A guy who works hard, multiple jobs to provide a cushion to his family to experience at least a taste of the middle class lifestyle of living in an average house, drive average vehicles and try to put money away for retirement ( never enough) , make sure there is enough money coming in to cover the mortgage, life insurance, insurance, utilities, food, clothing , daycare and all the other bullshit a family needs to survive. Inflation is hitting some of the bills and I explained to the wife I’d like to set up a budget and see where we can trim some excessive costs, this turns into a your attacking me and my spending. **** Me and god damn women! Rant over.

That sounds like it sucks homie and I imagine others have similar experiences. I have in the past, but no so much now. Women, on a base level, are very selfish creatures. Selfish creatures who have to pretend, or create the illusion, that they care about their families’ more than their own personal needs and wants. But in the end, their actions generally tell real story.
 
We are your average family, aren’t broke but not killing it by any means, I just want to tighten the screws in this moment of life, she actually brings more home to the bank at her teaching job, way higher on the scale due to her advancement. But I see the actual numbers on our lifestyle and feel we need to adjust. The problem lies that she grew up poor where her family always carried consumer debt. Mine did not. We’ve cleaned up her credit card debt and student loans but now I want to plan for ours and our kids future. She thinks I’m a buzz kill. We argue and fight. The world keeps spinning.
You gotta let her have some splurges here and there, or life is a joyless grind. Assuming she loves you, start going out on cheap dates weekly so her love tank is full. Keep her tf away from Target and Amazon.com
 
Don’t worry. Be happy. If she keeps her teaching job and maxes out the retirement options she has due to her occupation you’ll be fine. Teachers have great retirement plan options. Do what you do but just make sure you’re putting money away from your income. The mere fact that you’re venting here is probably a sign that you’re worrying too much about it.
I also teach. Have cows and do carpentry side jobs. I’m an uptight worrying type kinda guy. I always try to plan for worst case scenario
 
You gotta let her have some splurges here and there, or life is a joyless grind. Assuming she loves you, start going out on cheap dates weekly so her love tank is full. Keep her tf away from Target and Amazon.com
Solid advice . How did you guess target and Amazon! Don’t forget about the local boutiques selling 3 dollar clothes at 20 times the markup
 
IMHO, it might have to do with how and when you enter this conversation. For me, if I come in guns blazing after seeing a credit card bill, I might be right, but it will turn into a heated argument and will be nonproductive. If I were to bring up the subject by asking to talk about something that is giving me anxiety and causing me to lose sleep...as long as I am careful with my wording, my wife will hear my out and usually help.
 
We are your average family, aren’t broke but not killing it by any means, I just want to tighten the screws in this moment of life, she actually brings more home to the bank at her teaching job, way higher on the scale due to her advancement. But I see the actual numbers on our lifestyle and feel we need to adjust. The problem lies that she grew up poor where her family always carried consumer debt. Mine did not. We’ve cleaned up her credit card debt and student loans but now I want to plan for ours and our kids future. She thinks I’m a buzz kill. We argue and fight. The world keeps spinning.
one other thought idea - take a snapshot of her folks or her aunts and uncles and where they are in retirement. If they are struggling it could be a wake-up call in real life on that being a situation neither of you want to be in when you get older. Then look at someone you know who has done well and see what they have done to get where they are.

My wife and I met an older couple who were our neighbors when we were young. They traveled, had a nice home and seem to be very happy and secure. We told them “we want to be where you are, would you mind sharing with us how you did it”?

For people that have worked to be financially secure there are few compliments better than a younger couple acknowledging it and asking for advice. It’s their life’s work and I’m sure most would be more than happy to offer insight.
 
The calls I’ve listened to Ramsey botch didn’t involve people struggling to make ends meet. There’s such a thing as being too financially conservative too. I’ve done well but my risk averse nature in hindsight cost me hundred of thousands of dollars at least in real estate opportunities I passed on. Actually probably several million. It’s just a matter of experience, common sense and confidence. You don’t want to get too far out over your skis but…..
This is where I am at with Ramsey. 5 years ago some properties in my town were selling around 45-60k, I didn’t have the cash to buy so I didn’t because I didn’t want to take out loans. Covid hit. Boom. Sold for 145-175k. Was ridiculous, I could’ve controlled who my neighbors were and made money or had rentals. I am very conservative, I don’t gamble because I hate losing money more than I enjoy making it but I won’t let that mistake happen again in the future.
 
Wife and I have kept separate finances the entire time (about 10 years) and it has worked beautifully. We both pay for shared things equally from our own accounts. We are amassing wealth together but independently.

I’m sad to hear my friends talking about endless arguments with their wives over spending and there’s even been divorce over it. Separate your accounts, make her support herself. I couldn’t imagine being with her if she didn’t work.
 
This is where I am at with Ramsey. 5 years ago some properties in my town were selling around 45-60k, I didn’t have the cash to buy so I didn’t because I didn’t want to take out loans. Covid hit. Boom. Sold for 145-175k. Was ridiculous, I could’ve controlled who my neighbors were and made money or had rentals. I am very conservative, I don’t gamble because I hate losing money more than I enjoy making it but I won’t let that mistake happen again in the future.
Most of us missed that unless we were already holding real estate. There was no way to predict that so don’t feel bad. That said 3-4 years ago I was visiting with a banker friend. Rates were still extremely low but he couldn’t believe what ag land was selling for then. He thought we were due a correction but that there should be buying opportunities down the road. My question to him was “who is to say that the buying opportunity isn’t today?”. Turns out it was.

Ramsey is right about biting off more than you can afford and most of America is house poor. I’ve been very fortunate to have a spouse who is also more conservative than what her income would support.

25 years ago I had an investment planner friend whose mantra was “If you want to retire early like a prince, you need to live today like a serf”. He died in his late 40s of a heart attack.
 
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That sounds like it sucks homie and I imagine others have similar experiences. I have in the past, but no so much now. Women, on a base level, are very selfish creatures. Selfish creatures who have to pretend, or create the illusion, that they care about their families’ more than their own personal needs and wants. But in the end, their actions generally tell real story.
Yep!

And then it gets to the point where even bringing it up starts a fight, a fight that she is fine with having because she is not going to change anyway...and then of course two hours later you get the "I just find it funny..." sentence from here...and it is going to be all about attacking you.
 
Bunch of fookin amateurs on this board these days….
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Do better guys

On a serious note, yes, married couples fight about money a lot. Probably 80% of them. Women mostly just want to spend money and don’t give a crap about anything else. That’s why they want dudes that make the bucks.
 
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My wife and I married later in life. I was 50 and she was 38. Neither of us had debt and my house was paid off. Neither of us have kids or want kids. She makes low 6 figures and so would I but i got laid off 2 years ago and retired at 56. Our money is separate. My wife is a spender but still smart with her money being an accountant. I used to spend only on some hobbies but was a notorious saver. Probably too much of a saver. Now that I am retired I hate spending money. I go to garage sales to supply my hobbies. I will probably die before my wife due to our age differences. All that money I saved will probably still be there for her. That is kind of sad. I saved and saved for reitrement, and struggle to spend now that I am retired. We are going to Europe next month so all is not lost. We do a couple trips a year which is by far my biggest expense each year besides health insurance. My point is save for your future but also enjoy life before retiring.
 
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Wife and I have kept separate finances the entire time (about 10 years) and it has worked beautifully. We both pay for shared things equally from our own accounts. We are amassing wealth together but independently.

I’m sad to hear my friends talking about endless arguments with their wives over spending and there’s even been divorce over it. Separate your accounts, make her support herself. I couldn’t imagine being with her if she didn’t work.
We’re the same way.
 
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Bunch of fookin amateurs on this board these days….
25+ responses so far and NO PICS!

Do better guys

On a serious note, yes, married couples fight about money a lot. Probably 80% of them. Women mostly just want to spend money and don’t give a crap about anything else. That’s why they want dudes that make the bucks.
One time during a spat where my wife was on me like fleas on a dog, I asked her “exactly why did you marry me?”. Her disgusted whining reply was “I thought you had money”. And off she went. 🤣. I love telling that story to our friends.
 
Most of us missed that unless we were already holding real estate. There was no way to predict that so don’t feel bad. That said 3-4 years ago I was visiting with a banker friend. Rates were still extremely low but he couldn’t believe what ag land was selling for then. He thought we were due a correction but that there should be buying opportunities down the road. My question to him was “who is to say that the buying opportunity isn’t today?”. Turns out it was.

Ramsey is right about biting off more than you can afford and most of America is house poor. I’ve been very fortunate to have a spouse who is also more conservative than what her income would support.

25 years ago I had an investment planner friend whose mantra was “If you want to retire like early like a prince, you need to live today like a serf”. He died in his late 40s of a heart attack.
There’s a balance in there somewhere. Talked to a guy at church a while back about travel. He was older and had difficulty walking. His advice to me was to not wait too long. The opportunity is not guaranteed to be there. He has the means, but his body is in pain.
 
Bunch of fookin amateurs on this board these days….
25+ responses so far and NO PICS!

Do better guys

On a serious note, yes, married couples fight about money a lot. Probably 80% of them. Women mostly just want to spend money and don’t give a crap about anything else. That’s why they want dudes that make the bucks.
True, but i run across a lot of A hole dudes who prioritize their expensive toys and hobbies too, to the detriment of their family. But, but I work hard! 🥹
 
Wife and I have kept separate finances the entire time (about 10 years) and it has worked beautifully. We both pay for shared things equally from our own accounts. We are amassing wealth together but independently.

I’m sad to hear my friends talking about endless arguments with their wives over spending and there’s even been divorce over it. Separate your accounts, make her support herself. I couldn’t imagine being with her if she didn’t work.
She works. We just have rising expenses, and arguments occur when we disagree where we should be utilizing our money.
 
There’s a balance in there somewhere. Talked to a guy at church a while back about travel. He was older and had difficulty walking. His advice to me was to not wait too long. The opportunity is not guaranteed to be there. He has the means, but his body is in pain.
Exactly. I loved to hike mountains. That’s done for me. Fortunately there’s still a chance to sit on the viewing platform at Jackson Lake Lodge with a cold beverage to watch the sun set over the Hrand Titties.
 
Wife and I have kept separate finances the entire time (about 10 years) and it has worked beautifully. We both pay for shared things equally from our own accounts. We are amassing wealth together but independently.

I’m sad to hear my friends talking about endless arguments with their wives over spending and there’s even been divorce over it. Separate your accounts, make her support herself. I couldn’t imagine being with her if she didn’t work.
This...I think this is brilliant advice.
 
True, but i run across a lot of A hole dudes who prioritize their expensive toys and hobbies too, to the detriment of their family. But, but I work hard! 🥹
I had a series 7 securities and insurance licenses a number of years ago. Sadly many of the country club new car crowd had done nothing for retirement by their 50s.
 
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My wife is great, wonderful mother and has many awesome qualities. Her worst quality by far is that she literally does not care about how much money she makes. I’m a planner and often ask what her projected salary is so I can start calculating budget stuff, her answer is idk. It’s astonishing to me that I watch her work her butt off each day teaching kids, then coach vb then come home and grade papers at night all while pursuing higher education online and somehow doesn’t seem to give a shit about the financial part of the deal. But I digress, we fight about money because I want to know where all of our dollars are going and she doesn’t seem worried about it.
Do you have joint or separate bank accounts? If you see where the numbers are, that's extremely important. You can't force information onto her as you've already experienced but she needs to see the numbers as well. What is she passionate about that won't be there in the future if things don't improve? People don't change until there's pain involved.
 
Do you have joint or separate bank accounts? If you see where the numbers are, that's extremely important. You can't force information onto her as you've already experienced but she needs to see the numbers as well. What is she passionate about that won't be there in the future if things don't improve? People don't change until there's pain involved.

She setting money aside for her future without a partner. Believe that.
 
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