Would Frost survive four losing seasons?

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  1. bigboxes

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    The general consensus is that Coach Frost would survive three losing seasons. We universally believe this a program overhaul. So, we have more patience. But Devaney went 9-2 in his first season at NU and he was also doing a complete rebuild, too.

    Is it only about the contract? I expect Frost to turn the corner in the next season based on talent alone. However, if we are getting into hypotheticals, does Frost survive four losing seasons? That would be 5 wins or less in the next two seasons.
     
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    Nope, hard stop. I think Frost will get us back to respectable football at the very least, but if we can't win more than we lose in 4 years there is no reason to think that things will change.
     
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    If not by year 4, then his seat would be extremely hot. Plus side is, I don’t see it coming to that. Dude is a young head coach and he makes mistakes and still learning but he is obviously a solid to good head coach and with the talent he’s bringing in, it’s only a matter of time before our Huskers field a solid to great team.

    Bad head coaches don’t turn a 0-12 team into a 13-0 team that beat 4 Top 25 teams and one Top 10 team in the bowl game (that same Top 10 team barely missed out on being the SEC champs).
     
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    I'm hoping he can get it done. I just think that if he had another losing season that his seat would be very hot going into Year 4. I sure hope that isn't the case and we turn the corner and win 9 this year.
     
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    I think he survives four straight losing seasons if the fourth is no worse than 5-7 or maybe 4-8, primarily because of his contract and where we were when he took over. He won’t survive five straight though. Unlike many on here, I won’t say that I have confidence that he’ll get things turned around in five years because I have no idea if he will based on what we’ve seen so far.
     
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    I don't think so, at least not without major shakeups on the coaching staff intended to have immediate benefits (i.e., not under the presupposition that this would trigger another rebuild).

    That said, I also have no interest in hiring anyone else at this point despite the fact that his tenure has thus far been a big dissapointment.

    Does that mean I've lowered my expectations? Yes. Have I done so specifically for Frost? No. I'm tired of the coaching carousel and want some stability for a change, behind a coach who at least inspires some confidence and represents the university well. The last two coaches we've had were deficient in one of those respects.
     
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    Boxes, you should have warned all posters that if they don't unconditionally declare that Scott Frost absolutely, positively cannot under any circumstances be removed before 2024, they're going on the dreaded "list."
     
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    i genuinely hope we don't have to find out.
     
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    Id have to agree with that. Most of it will be how the team looks, progress being made or progress not being made. We have some tough schedules coming up and the overall record might not be the best indicator of how much our Husker team has progressed or hasn’t progressed. I believe I seen the 2020 season being ranked as high as Top 5 toughest schedules in the country?
     
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    Until the university releases a statement saying they're in economic distress and starts putting major projects on hold and says they're likely going to lose millions in revenue this upcoming season, I see no reason why we shouldn't expect them to not at least contemplate paying the roughly $30MM to buyout Frost and his coaches (which would be about 30% larger than any buyout in the history of the sport) and then pay another $6-12MM to hire a new coach and staff in the next couple of years should the team stumble.

    If the athletic department says anything like that though, someone let me know.
     
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    His cupboard wasn't bear when he got to UCF like it was here. That showed me he can coach good players. I'm just not sure he will be able to get that level of talent here.
     
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    If it takes us sucking for three straight years just to rebuild our program, I am all for that. I don't think I could stomach a fourth straight 4-5 win season. I'd probably start watching figure skating.... NOT.
     
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    We don't give anyone else a pass. Not sure why HCSF cannot do better 4-5 wins. We have been more talented than anyone else in the division. We always have said win with what you've got to all the previous coaching staffs. Hard to fathom why we don't feel the same for Scott Frost. You play to your player's strengths until you have the personnel to run your scheme. If not, then we might as well have given Cally a few more years or even Riley. You know. Until they got "their" players.
     
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    All bets are off right now until the virus thingy stabilizes. Who knows what will happen to Frost if he has four losing seasons? What if, in a shortened season and no Spring ball he has a losing season this year with a young team. That would clearly buy him year four due to the uniqueness of our time. And even in year four they could still blame the fallout from the virus. But a fourth losing season and coaches like Chinander would be toast.

    Unlike some on here I think four losing seasons is a real possibility. The B1G is tough and the schedulers have done us no favor. And right now our football program is no better than any other team in the B1G other than Maryland, Rutgers and Indiana. OSU, Michigan, PSU are all way ahead of us. And we are on a par with the rest.

    We really, really need to have a solid season this year and make a bowl game. Damn this virus
     
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    Im one of those positive guys and I’m called to positive at that and I’ll admit, I am. But even I know there’s a chance we could have another losing season. Frost is doing a complete rebuild, he’s not just taking over a team full of talent. He has to rebuild the talent from the ground up and that takes 3-6 years to do at times. Myself, I expect to see a much better looking team this season in year 3. But I’ll even say this, we could easily go 6-6, 7-5 or even go 8-4. Year 3 is a year where some coaches and teams can still struggle or they can take off and kill it. I’m staying out of it but I’ll guess a 7-5 to 8-4 season (but 6-6 is realistic too). That’s if we play the normal 12 games.
     
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    If he doesn’t go bowling next year I think chinander is out. Calling it now
     
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    If we’re better than Indiana, the fact that we lost to them last year at home doesn’t give me a lot of optimism that Frost will get things turned around unless he really improves recruiting. But maybe that game and Purdue were flukes. Hopefully we’ll learn more this year.
     
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    This thread is getting the cart before the horse even had reins put on.o_O
     
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    But neither Cally not Riley was one of ours. They didn't do the Nebraska way. They didn't believe you needed to have six full teams depth wise plus five kickers, a kick off specialist, four punters and at least three long snappers in order to win. Because Scott believes what the masses hold sacred he will be given at least five years. If he doesn't win, then maybe folks will realize we don't use rotary phones anymore.
     
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    id say, no.
    people are anxious.
    if im scott, i put everything into the 1st 7 games.
    a bowl game would help a lot.
     
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    Frost needs to win 9 games just to match Riley,s 3 year wins. Oh!Oh
     
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    He will get the full seven years that he is slated for. Can't afford to be paying multiple head coaches with the current situation we are in. Need to start "making a list" for both Moos and Frost if we have two more losing seasons though.
     
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    I think there is a lot of merit to his extra large roster. Certainly it is preferable to having your young guys and backups standing around on the sideline during practice.
     
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    Stupid statement.. Would have liked to seen SF take over after Pelini, like Riley did..
     
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    Glad we won’t have to find out. He will be fine .
     
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    Nebraska hasn't won its conference or played in a major bowl since before anyone we're recruiting that isn't a JUCO player or graduate transfer was alive. Think about that when thinking about how we've been doing things.

    The way "we've always done it" has been an obvious failure. Frost is the first coach since Solich was fired, other than perhaps Pelini when TO was the AD, who will be given the security of the most important element for building this program the right way....that being time. It's borderline unbelievable that this is beyond some people's understanding, but I suppose that's what I get for logging on the internet.
     
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    I can definitely see that and I’d be all for it too.
     
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    It depends on how things play out. If the defense is actually good but the offense stinks like last year, Chinander should be safe. But it's more likely that the defense would be a big reason for another losing season.
     
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    I was thinking on the same line, I would say if we go 5-7 again, then coaches on the defense side will be gone except for fisher. Chin would be the first, best friend or not, business is business and if the defense sucks then chin needs to go
     
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    That would make 5 out of 6 losing seasons to start his coaching career. No he wouldn't survive, and with that kind of production, he would (and should), be let go if that is the case. I can't think of another coach that could survive 4 straight losing seasons at a major school. I hope it won't come to this, and I think he has a chance to turn it around, but one never knows.
     
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    If Chindander is let go, the big question then would be does Frost hire a defensive coordinator who will keep the 3-4 defense or someone who will go back to a 4-3 defense.
     
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    You need all world dlinemen to run a 3-4. Please god go back to 4-3
     
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    Let's pick up the conversation after the conclusion of season 3.
     
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    Funny how everyone wants our DC fired even though it actually improved last year. Add to that our offense "and" special teams most certainly didn't.

    Oh well.....we'll see.
     
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    That sounds good to me!
     
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    probably the best idea. I’m very curious how year 3 looks and goes.
     
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    Surviving the fourth season is rare, but it happens...at Nebraska, too. Bill Jennings was fired after five straight losing seasons preceding the hiring of Bob Devaney.

    Lovie Smith is going into his 5th season at Illinois despite having a losing season in the previous four years.

    Derek Mason is currently entering his seventh season at Vanderbilt following six consecutive losing seasons. Vanderbilt has three other coaches who had at least five straight as well.

    John Jardine had four straight at Wisconsin before going 7-4 in year five.

    Bob Cummings at Iowa had five consecutive losing seasons.

    Jim Wacker had five straight at Minnesota.

    Greg Schiano at Rutgers (the first time they hired him) had four straight before going 7-5 in year four. Terry Shea also had five seasons at Rutgers with a losing record.

    Northwestern's got four coaches who reached at least a fifth season after having a losing record in their first four years, including Dennis Green....yes, that Dennis Green.

    Kevin Wilson, Cam Cameron, Lee Corso, and Bernie Crimmins each had at least five straight at Indiana.

    Jim Colletto had five straight at Purdue.

    Dan McCarney had five consecutive losing seasons at Iowa State before going 9-3 in year six.

    Marvin Bass had four straight at South Carolina before going .500 in his fifth year.

    Phil Cutchin at Oklahoma State had six straight.

    Jack Curtice at Stanford had four straight and then broke even in year five.

    It's not a distinguished list and there are likely more names on it, but it's happened...unlike the amount of money it would take to buyout Frost and Co. in two years being used in a buyout. If that were to happen it would be a list with only one name on it.
     
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    I should hope not.
     
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    It's costly. In the environment that we are headed to, it may not be readable. Moos hasn't cut athletic staff yet, but if the BIG doesn't provide the content they are contracted with the networks for, the $50 million annual goes away. Playing in a stadium that is half full is going to make it difficult to justify extra staff and the walk-on program to the degree that Scott thinks is necessary. 150 players may keep everyone busy, but I would rather coach up 4 deep instead of trying to extend to 6 deep.
     
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    Random find that I stumbled across while looking for coaches that had 4+ consecutive losing seasons to start their career at a given school that I thought was interesting...

    Mack Brown took over a North Carolina program that had been ranked in the AP Poll at some point in 13 out of the previous 18 seasons and went 1-10 and 1-10 in his first two seasons. Brown led UNC (the first time) to three 10-win seasons and two AP Top-10 seasons in the next eight years.

    *Nebraska was ranked at some point in 14 out of the previous 18 seasons prior to Frost taking over.
     
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