Thomas has more experience coaching QBs and has coached guys who operate at a high level. The offense to be coordinated is the offense Rhule wants and the approach that will be collaborative. Is Thomas a better play collar than Satterfield? idk.
Thomas is Co-OC
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your alcohol analogy is off.
you're showing me 2 drunk people and asking which one i'd rather have drive my child home. one of them had 20 beers, the other had 19 beers but he's been drinking a long time so he's really experienced at drunk driving. keeps losing his job because of it, but he's still been doing it for a long time.
Year over year comparison for Baylor with Thomas as a Co-coordinator
2017 (1-11)
24.3 PPG
414 rush attempts 1407 yards 10 TD
462 pass attempts 3452 yards 23 TD 58.2% completion %
14 INT
11 Fumbles lost
Def 35.9 PPG allowed
2018 (7-6)
29.5 PPG
502 rush attempts 2198 yards 25 TD
486 pass attempts 3770 yards 22 TD 60.9% completion %
13 INT
6 Fumbles lost
Def 31.7 PPG allowed
2019 (11-3)
33.6 PPG
504 rush attempts 2330 yards 35 TD
444 pass attempts 3571 yards 24 TD 62.4% completion %
8 INT
11 Fumbles lost
Def 19.8 PPG allowed
Comparing what a coach does nationally when the team is 1-11 and 7-6 is a lazy comparison in my opinion.
In my opinion, how a coach improves year over year is a better comparison. When you look at the record, the increase rush attempts per game, the increase in completion percentage, the increase in rushing TDs and the decrease in points allowed per game it clearly shows improvement in several categories.
Because he is coming to Nebraska where the win loss record is higher than it was at Baylor when he started and the defense is playing at a higher level than the Baylor defense was in 2017 the improvement the overall floor is higher at Nebraska than it was at Baylor. IF he is able to show the same level of increase in production or simply improve year over year as they did at Baylor, Nebraska will be at a better spot in year 1 and year 2 than Baylor was in those same years.
Since he hasn't coached a practice at Nebraska, obviously everything is speculation, but to attempt to make this a bad hire based on some arbitrary ranking of national stats is short-sighted and, again, lazy.
2017 (1-11)
24.3 PPG
414 rush attempts 1407 yards 10 TD
462 pass attempts 3452 yards 23 TD 58.2% completion %
14 INT
11 Fumbles lost
Def 35.9 PPG allowed
2018 (7-6)
29.5 PPG
502 rush attempts 2198 yards 25 TD
486 pass attempts 3770 yards 22 TD 60.9% completion %
13 INT
6 Fumbles lost
Def 31.7 PPG allowed
2019 (11-3)
33.6 PPG
504 rush attempts 2330 yards 35 TD
444 pass attempts 3571 yards 24 TD 62.4% completion %
8 INT
11 Fumbles lost
Def 19.8 PPG allowed
Comparing what a coach does nationally when the team is 1-11 and 7-6 is a lazy comparison in my opinion.
In my opinion, how a coach improves year over year is a better comparison. When you look at the record, the increase rush attempts per game, the increase in completion percentage, the increase in rushing TDs and the decrease in points allowed per game it clearly shows improvement in several categories.
Because he is coming to Nebraska where the win loss record is higher than it was at Baylor when he started and the defense is playing at a higher level than the Baylor defense was in 2017 the improvement the overall floor is higher at Nebraska than it was at Baylor. IF he is able to show the same level of increase in production or simply improve year over year as they did at Baylor, Nebraska will be at a better spot in year 1 and year 2 than Baylor was in those same years.
Since he hasn't coached a practice at Nebraska, obviously everything is speculation, but to attempt to make this a bad hire based on some arbitrary ranking of national stats is short-sighted and, again, lazy.
> don't be lazy
> hyper focus on 1 of his 4 coaching stints over the last 5 years
pick one
I’m thinking that for some, there is a list of shiny magic coaches out there and if the coach their team hired isn’t on that list, he sucks. It’s not much more complicated than that.
It isn't an analogy. I'm using an example to show how stubborn you are being to dodge the question of who is a better qb coach. You are trying to claim you can't possibly say who is the best. I'm calling bullshit on your, well, bullshit. If someone gave you a million dollars to pick one of the 2 for a qb coach, you couldn't or wouldn't do it? The level of dodging you are doing is reaching epic proportions.
I would hate to go to a new restaurant with you. How would you ever decide what to eat because you are so indecisive?
I figured picking a like sample would be the most accurate comparison. P5 school, coaching as a co-coordinator for Matt Rhule.
Not sure what purpose comparing an offensive assistant at Pittsburgh or a 1 year stint at Arizona St with a lame duck coach and an interim coach would serve. His job as QB coach with the Falcons is also not comparable. He wasn’t calling plays or anything. He was helping Matt Ryan on fundamentals and reads. His stint as a 26 year old first time OC for a DII school probably not indicative of what he would do now. The UNLV job was started during the peak of Covid with a HC that was in over his head, who after he was fired didn’t even get a job anywhere for the 2023 season. Now is the OC for an Arizona St squad that isn’t very good.
no clue what you're yapping about now
I don't think Nebraska will finish in the top 50 for scoring offense. Do you agree or disagree?
That isn't how life works, thall. You don't get to dodge my question and then get your question answered.
Lol not to side with ding doing, but Ireland was simply the final validation for those of us who knew Frost was cooked by year two.
Georgia southern was simply the final nail.
I'm gonna say Thomas so you'll move on.
now, Huskers won't be in the top 50 in scoring offense. agree or disagree?
Who cares? If Nebraska has similar defensive numbers as last year, they won't need a top 50 offense. A top 85 offense and 25 ppg will be sufficient to win more than they lose, right? Heck technically, if the defense holds every opponent to 15 ppg, they could win 12 games, if they score 25 against every opponent.
highlighting the operative word here, which has coincidentally been the most powerful word in the Husker fan lexicon.
if'd our way into convincing ourselves that 3-9 was a good record.
things either happen or they don't, and so many of the fans here are content to "if, then" themselves into oblivion then get hyped up over hiring a literal who.
it's your right to be excited, i'm just trying to save y'all the embarrassment and stress that follows lying to yourself.
Probably agree. Let me look at the numbers of what that looks like and our schedule another time.
Glad you came around on Thomas being an upgrade. Welcome to the club.
Assuming DR doesn't suffer a significant injury prior to the start of the season, I would say somewhere in the 60th to 70th range.
Some pretty bad defenses on the schedule but they got new coaches in some capacity (Utep, CU, IU). I think with the addition of a qb like DR we are likely to see larger margin of victories against teams like Utep. I also have to wonder if we just won't see more points in general with teams like OSU and USC. We know going in we aren't winning those games 10-7 so no real point in slogging it out.
2nd year jump should also happen with the young skill players.
But you are essentially doing the same thing, just on the opposite side of the discussion. As I stated he hasn't coached a practice yet, and you have already stated the hire is a failure based on nothing but IF he doesn't repeat the level of success year over year they had at Baylor or IF he matches the poor results of a bottom of the barrell MWC team.
Nah, here’s the deal… Thomas’s suckage follows him from year to year. He’s gonna suck again. Tony White’s successful defenses from year to year means nothing, and it’s a huge IF whether he can duplicate that.
Don’t you see?
I sincerely do.
Being wrong about the Colorado game was probably the most fun I’ve had watching the Huskers the past decade.
hilarious collection of posts from @Huskers123456 @Laner2 and @Tuco Salamanca getting their panties in a wad over me having the courage to call another one of Rhule's buddy hires stupid.
no need to rub yall's noses in it though, good opportunity for personal growth and enhanced pattern recognition skills now that you can see i was right about this loser coach (again).
no need to rub yall's noses in it though, good opportunity for personal growth and enhanced pattern recognition skills now that you can see i was right about this loser coach (again).
this post has aged incredibly well, bravo.
Thomas couldn't even figure out how to score points in a soft conference with who is now a likely All-Pro QB.
Is this the thread where you argued a guy with 2 different stints as an NFL qb coach wasn't better than Satterfield as a qb coach? Lol
It's the thread where you fired off this masterpiece:
I seem to remember some other mental gymnastics you were performing, sounds like you're teeing up for some more. I'll wait!
So you’re assuming that Daniels had similar talent to play with at ASU as what he had at LSU? All variables other than the OC were constant? Asking for a friend.
Tell your friend the defenses in the SEC and NFL he's setting records against are much better than any he faced at ASU.
Now wave as he boards the short bus.
Daniels was throwing TDs to Brandon Aiyuk at ASU (1st round WR)
And he had the same O line talent, RBs, TEs other WRs, lifestyle, film study, game experience? I’m not advocating for Thomas to be our OC, I’m just pointing out that there’s a huge number of variables that go into QB success in college. You can not ASSume constants on all of the other factors involved. Frankly I’m not sure Thomas is what we need at OC either but maybe the only way to find out is to have him call plays the rest of this season. 3 games would give you a pretty good idea.
All Rhule has to do is get in a room with Satterfield and say, if you don't establish the run against USC I will 100% fire you on November 17th. And when Satt asks "Well gee coach, what do you mean by establish?" Rhule should say, "that's all I'm saying, you decide and I'll let you know how you did."
This is football, not rocket science. Rhule keeps saying "gotta run the football" and then he repeatedly lets Satt do otherwise.
This is football, not rocket science. Rhule keeps saying "gotta run the football" and then he repeatedly lets Satt do otherwise.
I love how you are thinking about me enough to bring up a post from nearly a year ago. Should I be flattered? Concerned? Reading through old posts on a football message board to bring up an argument from January. How boring is your life?
> “reeeeee you’re not supposed to remember things you said from a few months ago”
that’s your argument? pissed I have a good memory and foresight? hilarious self own
The fact that Rhule had a play sheet the second half and it was so slow getting play calls in tells me that Satt has already been put on the clock. I think Rhule was very involved with the offensive play calling in that second half.
Yeah, those six straight run plays ran out of the I with dedicated fullback scream Rhule. However, when they got inside the 5 that had to be all Satt.
Likely true. I read an article 5 years or so ago about Urban Meyer. He seemed to be mostly hands off on the play calling, but he would directly tell Tom Herman (OC) "I want to go deep at least 2 times the next time we get the ball."
You can bet your ass Herman dialed up a couple of long ones the next time they got the ball. Maybe that's why, among all his negatives, Meyer was a huge success. When he told an assistant something, he expected it to be done. Period.
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