In the end it still falls on the chopper. They asked and received visual separation besides being asked multiple times do you see the CRJ .
OT- DC commercial plane and Blackhawk collide
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The plane's altitude suggests the Army helicopter was flying above 200 feet − the maximum altitude for the route it was using. Yet the control tower's radar apparently showed the helicopter at 200 feet at the time of the accident, though that information has not been confirmed. "That's what our job is, to figure that out," NTSB board member Todd Inman said.
When you desperately want to be right about something, this is what suffices as indisputable proof.
Plus they need to be at the elevation needed to avoid collision with visual separation so even if they were at 200 feet (highly doubtful) it's still on them. They could have been at 100 to be on the same side. That airspace belonged to the landing commercial jet
I don’t disagree They saw the wrong plane and were short a crew chief. My initial statement was trusting the training of that chopper crew. As it turns out the dedicated helicopter controller WHO LEFT WORK EARLY might have been able to prevent this accident. It’s one of the busiest airports in the U.S. Why the F did that controller leave that post early? Why the F did the commander of that helicopter allow them to fly short a crew chief. Why the F is that an approved route to begin with. Some want to place all the blame on the pilot when in fact they rely on multiple other people to do their jobs. It wasn’t just the yard dart pilot that F’d up.
My initial reaction to trust that Blackhawk crew over a green pilot flying a very old small jet was just that. An initial reaction. There was WAY more certainty expressed by some on here that it was solely that Blackhawk’s pilot’s fault and that the collision happened at or near 500’. That was completely false. She was depending on multiple people who also failed in their roles.
It was never the AA pilot’s fault. I don’t give a shit if Air Force 1 crashed into them.
Perhaps if your initial reaction - which included calling the airline pilot "a guy flying basically an ancient commuter plane for an AA subcontractor" - had not come at the exact same time that you were lecturing others about speculating on the cause of the crash without sufficient facts, it would be more defensible and far less embarrassing.
Don't forget the deleted post where he blamed DEI for air traffic controllers.
Like I said earlier. He's so perfect for DC. Say a bunch of shit, then pick out the part where you were right, brag about it, while ignoring all the things you said that were wrong.
More I see of the video and the more I hear people smarter than me talk about it (spent an embarrassing amount of time listening to blackhawk and other hopticopter pilots talk about this over the weekend)...combined with the weird way this was handled after...I have no choice but to at least entertain the idea that chick flying the Blackhawk flew right into that plane, on purpose.
It’s a powerful negotiating tool and roughly double the illegal entries of people on terrorist watch lists etc are coming through Canada. We call them tariffs but most of that should more accurately be called countervailing duties. We’ve gotten several countries to accept back their criminal migrants only by threats of tariffs. Hopefully it’s not a long term deal.
6-8 seconds is enough time for a helicopter to make a 25 foot change in altitude. The problem is that it appears the crew chief and pilot were looking at the wrong plane which you earlier denied was even in the area.
The art of the deal. Mexico, Panama and Columbia already caved. Canada and beta boy will be next. #Winning!!
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There is a shortage of controllers and multiple officials have stated that they can’t fill their classes because of quotas which end up excluding white males. THAT was my point. They’re reaching to take less qualified applicants and the quotas restrict how many white males they can take regardless of qualifications. I’m not saying a black woman is the reason the crash happened. I’m saying a shortage of controllers, the stress, and the hours they have to work due to quotas for the training and hiring contributed to a controller having to man two stations. It’s silly to believe that having that dedicated helicopter controller in place couldn’t have prevented this accident.
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If it is acceptable to you that blame not be assigned to an aircraft that breached the ceiling in an area where it is utmost important they follow it, then the other plane was nowhere near the site of impact.
Once again. Chopper requested visual separation. They were asked if they saw the jet. They affirmed. They were granted visual separation. All responsibility goes to them to keep separation. Not breach the ceiling while they are crossing the runway. I've seen plenty of douche bro former chopper pilots complaining they switched runways as if the airport doesn't have the right to use any runway they want in the airspace that belongs to them.
Run along now. You aren't an expert in everything like you imagine you are.
Did Colombia cave on anything other then a temporary pause in flights because they were military planes? They had been taking flights for years, according to Google. Appears to be created drama to me. You better search social media for the answer. Lol.
Better get up to Canada with beta boy Justine while you still can.😂
Canada offered to create a joint task force and we didn't even respond. They offered to work together. Unnecessary drama on the Canadian tariffs. It's like fighting with your spouse and then refusing to talk to them while you threaten divorce. Unproductive long-term.
Did you get that from google? Assuming all that deep insight that you provided is true, spouses are equals. A better analogy would be big brother to little brother, and little brother telling big brother how it is going to go down.
Search the internet for the answer. Show me you can at least try to critically think. I might be wrong and they never took any flights.
I'm not here to do your homework. Fact check everything on that list I posted. Enjoy. If you're this bothered by winning 2 weeks in I might have to do a welfare check on you in 4 years.
Get what from Google? Canada clearly doesn't want this fight, but they have more leverage then they should. Resource rich, small population country. We have a lot of integration. They could absolutely hurt our economy with oil, lumber, electricity, etc.
Bothered? Lol. You need to interact with real people sometime and get off social media.I'm not here to do your homework. Fact check everything on that list I posted. Enjoy. If you're this bothered by winning 2 weeks in I might have to do a welfare check on you in 4 years.
This is probably a little above your level, so try to stay with me. Your guy is upset because we have a trade deficit with Canada. Why do we have a trade deficit? Because we need the resources they have for our economy. We absolutely need to get along with them.
Canada can keep their Whiskey. We have Tennessee. Bourbon is the best in the world from Kentucky. They can have their fake bacon and maple syrup. We're good.
It was an NTSB spokesperson who stated it. She might not have been authorized to make that statement They’ve recovered the flight data recorder now from the Blackhawk so that might reveal more. One thing people forget that instrumentation can only be calibrated to a certain degree of accuracy. I’ve used altimeters hiking in the mountains and while they may give you an altitude within a certain number of feet, there’s a margin of error. My point on the altitude was I was pretty certain that the original report of 500’ was way off. I suggested the choppers altitude was going to be way closer to 200’ than what was reported and was ridiculed.
Then some insisted the chopper wasn’t following an approved route which was also untrue. There were multiple factors that contributed to this disaster and the pilot of the chopper is not solely to blame. It appears that the plane pilot who was in fact very young and inexperienced bears little or no responsibility. IF he had seen the Blackhawk a couple of seconds earlier maybe he could have been a hero. Maybe not.
My interest in this is personal in part because I landed on that strip 30+ hours before the accident and because of my family connections to the occupations involved. I heard the sirens and the rescue units flying by my hotel room. I saw Blackhawks over that river when we arrived. I saw the wreckage when we landed. It’s personal.
I know you probably don't leave your apartment very often but a lot of those Canadians are no different then Americans. The border is just a line on a map. But I know you need to go all south park Merica style to feel good about yourself. So carry on.
