I'd rather have MJ.
Mickey Rumor
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He's already 2 wins away from eclipsing crotch rot's best season, going into game 5.
Agree 100% people always crying about contract extensions like they're paying it!! It's not coming out of you're dam wallet!
BoB sucks. Hope Nebraska doesn't get him or it'll be a combination of stagnant offense, poor QB development, overly complicated scheme, poor clock management, temper problems and none of the Alabama talent to bail him out. Just say no to BoB.
Whoever they hire is going to get paid. Frost's contract vs. his performance, however, is lesson in a dump truck full of cash not being a lock to a bunch of wins. And the success of the team is less about the HC NU hires, but the people that guy hires.
Clearly the Joseph sentiment is tradition and fan driven. But there is something to that, and the fan base thought they were getting that in Frost. Guys who were important pieces of the program when it was hitting on all cylinders know what the standard is. The program has deeper meaning to them. And that has to be a factor if the candidate, in this instance Mickey Joseph, checks other relevant boxes for the job.
I trust these possible deficiencies will emerge in an analysis of his portfolio should he be a candidate.
I watched every game of his as Texans head coach. Believe me or not but that's who BoB is as a coach. If you love first down runs up the center's ass every possession, you'll love Bill O'Brien!
Resume. Nobody else we’ve discussed comes close IMO. I’ve never been a big fan of his personality but the guy can coach. IF we hire Mickey a huge part of it will be his personality. I like Mickey and won’t be overly disappointed if he’s the guy but his resume pales in comparison to BOB.
I love what wins and he won. Any guy who was good enough to call plays for Belichik can call plays for me too
Did you like what Saban or Urbs did as an NFL coach? How would they do as a college HC?
Oh ya dude? 65% chance you say? Trev told you this im sure?
You just said the most vague and just pointless paragraph ive ever read.
You have zero clue what your talking about
Your drunk grandpa tell you this when he came over to visit you in your moms basement?
You just said the most vague and just pointless paragraph ive ever read.
You have zero clue what your talking about
Your drunk grandpa tell you this when he came over to visit you in your moms basement?
Those guys have won national championships in college, so yes, I would like them as a head coach though that's not a possibility. Bill O'Brien's claim to fame is winning division titles in the worst division in professional football then getting pasted in the playoffs - whoopdeedoo. Those division titles weren't on the strength of his offense but rather entirely on his defense - his offenses sucked.
I like Mickey's personality, but, I like his "vision" even more. Granted, having a "vision" and bringing it to fruition are two completely different things. All coaches have a vision of how they'd like things to go and few ever get it done.
On Monday, in his presser, Mickey talked about going heavy into the JUCOs and the portal. I've already seen NU's emphasis being placed by having offered or looking at some JUCO kids, some of them are the big men variety.
Today at his presser, Mickey said (paraphrasing) NU built its program/reputation? on physical football.
So, in an effort to bring in JUCO big man variety, go aggressive into the portal when athletes enter that fit what Mickey is looking for, continue to recruit, and then hopefully develop them.
In other words, with respect to some of the portal kids NU has signed, don't just take castoffs and leftovers from other programs just to try to develop depth that is nothing more than adding some bodies. Be specific, show them the money and the opportunity. But, only go after, and be super aggressive in signing those that fit the physical requirement of the way forward.
Get a proven S & C man who has shown the ability to produce physical athletes that can run and not keep the same guy who has failed for 4+ years.
Combine that philosophy with the hiring of proven OC/DL/OL coaches who have built physical teams during their careers and that approaches Mickey's intention. Likely, the top of the elite group of coaches already have gigs.
Year after year some of these coaches produce big, strong, physical teams even when working with less than 4* and 5* kids. Many of them have shown the ability to really develop players.
If the program was built on being physical, then NU needs to work toward that vision.
I have ZERO doubt that Mickey can and will bring in tremendous talent at the skill positions.
This is not a completely different mindset than an Urban Meyer would bring to the table. Much of what Meyer has done is similar to this working model.
It's similar to when TO really began to make a push to make NU even more physical. He said hit them every snap even if it's a 1 yard gain so we can physically own the 4th quarter. He started to have the offense snap the ball sooner so they could run more plays, continue to be physical and become the stronger team in the 4th quarter. Over a few years, his vision became reality and that was the face of NU football. They were gonna beat the shit out of you physically. And they did it.
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Don't disagree with the philosophy of being more physical. I don't think there are many coaches out there that wouldn't say that.
Exactly what is Mickey's "vision" ? I haven't heard it expressed or if I did, I didn't pick up on it There are goals and standards that are meant to get you to the vision, but what exactly is HIS vision, that he has stated? Again, I might have missed in it all of this hubris of posts.
There probably isn't a single team that doesn't want better D and O linemen. Even the rich would welcome more so they can get even richer. I think we found out the last few cycles that the market for those few guys in JC or wherever is very high and competitive. Somewhere along the way we have to be able to show these recruits we can develop them for the league - NIL is temporary and over emphasized, there isn't that much money.
Good questions Tru.
I think without saying it, Mickey isn't thrilled with a bunch of big, slow, not effective guys who lack physicality. Those types were the Frost model which has been proven to fail.
If you or I, or anyone on this board, were put in a position to put this team together beginning with being hired, we would likely all do things differently, but many of us with the same end objective.
Become physical in a physical league. Find a way to identify players that can bring physicality where it now lacks. As you and I know, there are multiple components needed to make that happen from strength & conditioning to identifying more athletic big men and then making practices physical to set the tone.
I agree, getting some of those top guys out of JUCO is a trick. Most are looking for an opportunity to play and if money is able to lure them to NU, then that is how the game is played these days. Mickey talks about that part of needing the physicality, but he doesn't talk about the "skill people" part of that equation because I think in his mind, he knows he will handle that part of the equation, as his history has shown.
I guess I shouldn't have used the word "vision." It's no different than your hope for an end result satisfied what you were striving for when you hired someone or pursued the end of a difficult project. You just knew what you wanted to see when the whole thing came together. And you tried to set the things that were needed in motion to work towards your "vision" or end goal.
I agree, every team wants moe physical OL and DL men. We all have been witness to just the opposite for a lot of years, when in the past, anytime a college football fan talked about physical OLines, that discussion began and ended with NU's pipeline.
Thanks.
Sounds a lot like Bo without a dirtbag brother and golf buddy assistants
you’re aware that almost every Belichick assistant from the Patriots went on to be a shitty HC right?
Nope. I skipped thru the legal red tape and went right to getting even. It's a pretty great read I won't share online but to say I got the last laugh would be an understatement. He is now broke after having lost 80% of his biz and I almost feel sorry for him. Alnost.
Well sir, it wouldn't be real bad if we could get the results Bo got us after getting rid of worthless Clownahan.
2013, Nebraska, 9-4, won 24-19 over Georgia in Gator Bowl
2012, Nebraska, 10-4, lost 45-31 to Georgia in Capital One Bowl
2011, Nebraska, 9-4, lost 30-13 to South Carolina in Capital One Bowl
2010, Nebraska, 10-4, lost 19-7 to Washington in Holiday Bowl
2009, Nebraska, 10-4, won 33-0 over Arizona in Holiday Bowl
2008, Nebraska, 9-4, won 26-21 over Clemson in Gator Bowl
I'd be a happy camper with Bo's results and Mickey would be terrific if he could hack it.
Scott Frost spouted a great vision. Saying and doing are two different things. I don't want to hear about the vision. I want to see it.
Bielema seems to be doing okay in the B1G. Not many of them went back to college. Most of them were hired by sh##y NFL teams.
Bielema had 12 years of P5 head coaching experience before he was on his staff
In fact, if you remove Nick Saban & Tom Brady, Belichick is a below average coach himself
What? How do you think Nick Saban helped make Belichick successful, by running the defense on a bad Cleveland team 30 years ago?
dingle, actually Tru was responding to my comment on "vision", in which I said many talk about it, but few actually achieve it.
Among the multitude of factors for Frost's failure to approach his "vision" or plan centered on bringing an entire staff unequipped to coach at a high level.
In a perfect world, Frost is an excellent OC but limited himself by recruiting, failing to be a serious coach, inability to develop that talent, and then lacking a high-quality staff to help implement it. We know there are a lot of reasons why his HC career at NU ended as it did.
If and when the next HC is able (if ever) to put together a physically strong squad with good speed/strength and conditioning staff combined with a top-notch staff the program can begin to reverse.
Our fans have seen how it is done, it takes a serious, driven coach to begin that process.
I totally agree I want to see the vision take fruition and not simply be a matter of talking about it. It can be done.
In some ways I would rather have Mickey too.
I think overall, Mickey has good support from a lot of fans despite his lack of HC experience. There's no doubt the roster of potential HCs that the guys have posted about has several that can/could do a really good job here.
How many of them take the job just for the money? How many of them are going nowhere in their current coaching jobs? How many of them just want to take a 2-3-4 year gig and then hit the road? How many of them would take this job because the Auburn or Arizona State job was filled by someone else and they will take the NU job as their 2nd/choice?
So far, early on there was a lot of juice for Leipold, some for Campbell, then it was Ruhle and then Aranda, and then Lane and a couple of others. The one constant has been Mickey and there are those, whom I respect on here, that want nothing to do with Mickey being in charge.
Even Urban Meyer had those who would not have welcomed him, and he's as proven as anybody could ever be to be able to come in here and turn this thing around pronto. And then his health issue or something would rise up and there we go again.
I for one am going to be willing to give the next guy a fair chance for at least a couple of years, then all bets are off. I don't like O'Brien although I know he's a very good coach, given NU's lack of success over the last years, I'm willing to let the man do his thing.
Like any other HC, should Mickey get the job, and then not produce, we're gonna be on his ass just like any other coach. NU fans have had their fill of letting a native son piss this program farther down the drain.
NU has ended the releasing of the ballons tradition, so ends that tradition.
Mickey has said the Blackshirts will not be back again this season. That won't end that tradition, but it does end the tradition of just handing out 6-10 Blackshirts to players on a defense rated in the #100 in the country range.
By that standard, the last thing a Blackshirt now represents is excellence.
At least under his interim status, Mickey withholding them this year is sending a message that ordinary/subpar is no longer the standard. To be awarded a Blackshirt, a player earns it and then has to keep it through excellent play on the field where it matters.
Phasing out the overall size of the squad needs to be on the agenda beginning next year. It's ridiculous to have 150 kids, of which a fair percentage of them will never see the field in a meaningful game situation in their entire career.
Just look at the roster from the incoming kids in 2018/19 that haven't played 20 snaps in their career. They were mistakes and in any successful endeavor, acknowledging mistakes and making changes is part and parcel of turning a business or program around.
I have no say so, but it seems like a lot of wasted work and resources with no return on investment.
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We've got some good young walk ons playing quality minutes for us right now but damn 150 players is too many IMO. I could see 25-30 walk ons but we've got over 60 at times?
It's been ancient history, and my memory could be faulty as there have been many exceptions, but...
The I.M Hipps and others who made an impact, were in numbers less than what seems the majority of the mileage NU had over the years when a handful of walk-ons really made an impact compared to the OL types.
It's so difficult, not impossible, but very difficult for the typical walk-on type to match the athleticism and speed of a legitimate scholarship player, especially a skill-type player. If that scholarship kid is a legit 4.5 kid and the walk-on is 4.8 it's a gap that's not likely to be overcome unless there is a position change that doesn't have that premium on speed.
Our past walk-on OLmen had 2-3-4 years to really develop strength, size, technique, maturity, and great coaching to eventually make an impact. We just don't have that type of time now to devote to kids who have been here 3-4 years and are still mired in 4th team status against a starter and 2 backups that frankly, may all be less-than-average players as it is.
I know these kids are all here to get an education, and good for them. But, if they are scholarship athletes and career non-performers the fact is they were brought in and put on scholarship to play football. Bottom line.
This is the dumbest post ever. Why the hell would anyone pay MJ $5M a year when he entered this year making $600K?
Get some perspective
I assume you have never been offered a promotion before ? Usually when one goes from a wr coach to a head coach of a major program this basic concept is implemented.
Look up his record with Saban. They only coached together for 4 years in Cleveland 25+ years ago and weren’t any good. Saban has had nothing to do with his success.
You are obviously a knuckle head.
I have secured promotions running large corporations and as well have promoted folks.
Nobody gets a 8X pay increase unless the person giving it to them are IDIOTS
No grow up and get some reality
they were 11-5 and made the playoffs Saban's last year at Cleveland.
the following year, Saban goes to Michigan State and Bill finishes last in the division for the first time as well as his worst W-L record to date.
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