For the folks

[jflores]

who thought Diaco might be settling for mediocrity or crazy for disregarding all stats but score. Here is what a "real" DC had to say (a man who was previously hinted at as a great hire even by those dissenters here)

"Wins," Leavitt said when asked what statistics he focuses on. "I think people that look at anything else, they're nuts. I look at wins, losses. I think if you start looking at the other stuff, you've got issues."

He even had some goodies for "run the ball" guy too.

"They set up everything with the run game," Leavitt said. "If they can run on you, you're not going to have much of a chance to win. Everybody knows that. Then they go to play-action off that and they do it very well. They've got a quarterback who can throw the heck out of the ball and they've got some real good playmakers and their tight ends are very good."

http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/football/35933317-69/story.csp

 

[timnsun]

Wow, this is good even for us guys that are giving Diaco a chance... good stuff!

 

[jlb321]

in some respects I get it... but you can play poorly and still win and play well and lose .. I think it is fair to critique play beyond just the wins and losses

if we want to be superficial then we can do that with just wins and losses:

Riley took over a team that had won at least 9 games for the last 7 years and in his first 2 years is averaging just 7.5 wins and had a losing season his first year ... there may a lot of valid reasons why this is so

but hey, just like Leavitt said ... "Wins, I think people that look at anything else, they're nuts. I look at wins, losses. I think if you start looking at the other stuff, you've got issues."

what a great quote .. doesn't seem to leave much room for considerations of mismatched personnel, changing schemes, and other excuses

 

[jflores]

in some respects I get it... but you can play poorly and still win and play well and lose .. I think it is fair to critique play beyond just the wins and losses

if we want to be superficial then we can do that with just wins and losses:

Riley took over a team that had won at least 9 games for the last 7 years and in his first 2 years is averaging just 7.5 wins and had a losing season his first year ... there may a lot of valid reasons why this is so

but hey, just like Leavitt said ... "Wins, I think people that look at anything else, they're nuts. I look at wins, losses. I think if you start looking at the other stuff, you've got issues."

Indeed, but I think we get a little too wrapped around the axle about where precisely we are in the lexicon. To the degree that we often talk about "if Banker can't get us in the Top 25 xyz rating...should he be let go?" type of deal.

For folks in the business, they know what "pretty good" looks like, and don't seem to worry too much about the stats. That's more the realm of us NCAA FB PS4 Jockeys.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

in some respects I get it... but you can play poorly and still win and play well and lose .. I think it is fair to critique play beyond just the wins and losses

if we want to be superficial then we can do that with just wins and losses:

Riley took over a team that had won at least 9 games for the last 7 years and in his first 2 years is averaging just 7.5 wins and had a losing season his first year ... there may a lot of valid reasons why this is so

but hey, just like Leavitt said ... "Wins, I think people that look at anything else, they're nuts. I look at wins, losses. I think if you start looking at the other stuff, you've got issues."

what a great quote .. doesn't seem to leave much room for considerations of mismatched personnel, changing schemes, and other excuses

Like it taking 5 years to adjust to a conference move from the Big12 to the BIG. Or using every excuse in the book to minimally-effort recruiting.

 

[Bugeater]

Stats do tell a story on why you either won or lost, they do have real meaning. Nothing wrong in at least looking and figuring how to get better. But the game film is where you hope to see your mistakes and get better.

 

[tone1017]

The main reasons to look at stats are to try and put a value on a performance and figure out how it compares to other teams as well as to try to predict future performance. If we had the 113th ranked defense and won the natty no one would care but we're not all morons and know that will never happen. It was his first game, it was what I'm guessing will end up being a pretty decent offense and ultimately we won and that's all that matters. But the reason I look at the stats and have some concern is that I want to beat better teams than Arkansas State and if the stats are indicative of how our defense will perform all year I think it's clear we'll struggle against good teams. That's all, again it's one game and we won and ultimately if we win the stats "don't matter" but that doesn't mean nothing can be gleaned from them.

 

[jflores]

Yah its basically coach speak (Leavitt and Diaco both have reams of analytics/stats at their disposal for every snap their guy has taken). No one can realistically believe that Diaco's standards for defensive play are what we saw Saturday night. He's coached defense for one of the best coaches in the country for a natty.

Hence, the stupidity of the thread trying to pick apart Diaco's PC as it pertains to standards.

 

[swissticuffs]

Probably best game o judge the Defense at theme of the year...... just like every other part of the team.

 

[nu2u]

"Wins," Leavitt said when asked what statistics he focuses on. "I think people that look at anything else, they're nuts. I look at wins, losses. I think if you start looking at the other stuff, you've got issues."

That is insincere and completely bogus. I guarantee Leavitt and other major college coaches are looking at game stats and "other stuff" other than wins and losses. You believe that line, you're a sucker.

 

[RedSea]

Moneyball

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Coaches want you to look at "just wins" until they tell you that they are rebuilding and that it will take time and that joining a new conference will take 10 years to adjust and all that crap.

 

[jflores]

That is insincere and completely bogus. I guarantee Leavitt and other major college coaches are looking at game stats and "other stuff" other than wins and losses. You believe that line, you're a sucker.

I believe you either didn't read or comprehend my "coach speak" post 2 comments above yours.

 

[timnsun]

Coaches want you to look at "just wins" until they tell you that they are rebuilding and that it will take time and that joining a new conference will take 10 years to adjust and all that crap.

Refresh my memory on when Riley asked for 10 years?

I think you are confusing the coach with the fans...

 

[suhnami]

Theres 100 ways to measure progress or lack there of in football. Wins is #1. You stop hitting on #1 and people are going to start looking at the other 99.

All people are doing right now is saying, "hey #1 isnt going to keep happening with the other 99 like this."

 

[BigRedLegion]

Wow, this is good even for us guys that are giving Diaco a chance... good stuff!

No one should be giving up on him. Being a little skeptical after what happened last game is one thing. I was worried for sure. To a lesser degree I'm still worried But its way to early to give up.

 

[onechase]

Stats do tell the story most of the time.

 

[WHCSC]

"If they can run on you, you're not going to have much of a chance to win."

We ran on them and they still had a very good chance to win

 

[Toms Wife]

This guy's philosophy was a bit different as detailed here. He was always focused upon playing well. He could be surly after a win if he felt his team didn't play up to snuff.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Refresh my memory on when Riley asked for 10 years?

I think you are confusing the coach with the fans...

September 14th, 1991 in a meet and greet at Robert Kennedy High School at 10:45am, during a small assembly for seniors only.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

This guy's philosophy was a bit different as detailed here. He was always focused upon playing well. He could be surly after a win if he felt his team didn't play up to snuff.

Good God

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Good God

Tom cut him in on some of the royalties. Part of the deal they put together over one of their fireside chats.

 

[jflores]

Tom cut him in on some of the royalties. Part of the deal they put together over one of their fireside chats.

The Holy Troller is growing his flock?

The Lord does work in mysterious ways.

 

[Mack In Motion]

This guy's philosophy was a bit different as detailed here. He was always focused upon playing well. He could be surly after a win if he felt his team didn't play up to snuff.

I like it. We should hire that guy..

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

The lying preacher cries and pisses himself if someone talks about Blo.... but constantly brings up a guy who has not coached in 20 years, and was a terrible AD. Not surprising

 

[Toms Wife]

The lying preacher cries and pisses himself if someone talks about Blo.... but constantly brings up a guy who has not coached in 20 years, and was a terrible AD. Not surprising

Sorry for bringing up the coach who was part of 5 National Championships. I don't know what I was thinking. Let's get back to Leavett.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Sorry for bringing up the coach who was part of 5 National Championships. I don't know what I was thinking. Let's get back to Leavett.

How about you just stop being a huge hypocrite...... for 24 hours.... I am guessing you can't do that Maam.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

This guy's philosophy was a bit different as detailed here. He was always focused upon playing well. He could be surly after a win if he felt his team didn't play up to snuff.

Does seeing his picture on that dust cover make you "tingle" down there Mrs Tom's wife? I think it does.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Dont you think this Tom bashing and calling out someone's profession calling people liar's has gotten a little out of control. Holy crap if you do not like his posts then just ignore it - but posting a picture of TO is hardly trolling - That man did more than anyone in this state to build NU football and his philosophy on how to coach is sound today and in fact many of the most successful coaches today have been influenced by him

 

[maplesyrup95]

I think we can all agree that short-term success in college football—in the form of double-digit winning seasons at the highest level of D1—can only be done by a select few coaches. We all know the names, too. Saban, Meyer, Fisher and Swinney.

Let's not kid ourselves thinking that when Riley was hired we expected an immediate championship-caliber football team. If you did you were delusional. Because even if you get down to sabermetrics, we didn't have the horses. No matter what the average "greatest fan" thinks, Riley needs time to re-establish the brand of Nebraska football. We have to be patient, suck it up and give it some time. We cannot continue to have a revolving door.

Sorry for bringing up the coach who was part of 5 National Championships. I don't know what I was thinking. Let's get back to Leavett.

I don't know if someone has ever told you this or if it has ever dawned upon you, but there is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

 

[jlb321]

Let's not kid ourselves thinking that when Riley was hired we expected an immediate championship-caliber football team. If you did you were delusional. Because even if you get down to sabermetrics, we didn't have the horses. No matter what the average "greatest fan" thinks, Riley needs time to re-establish the brand of Nebraska football. We have to be patient, suck it up and give it some time. We cannot continue to have a revolving door.

he needs time but it would have been nice if Riley wouldn't have completely failed out of the gate when it came to the defensive side of the ball.
He has had to flush his entire defensive staff with the exception of Bray prior to the kickoff of even his third season. Those assistants did not leave for better jobs - they were let go due to poor performance. In year three we should be continuing to refine the processes that were put in place the first 2 years - instead we are entering a complete retool of the defense. I find the revolving door analogy humorous as that is exactly what it has been on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[redthru&thru]

Ok, it's been a couple of years since I've been on the board, but I'm still alive and still redthru&thru!

I wasn't thrilled with the defense on Saturday night, but it was the first game of a new system, so I'm not ready to panic.

I'm sure coaches only look at wins and losses, when they are winning. How many games have was watched over the years when we outplayed a team and lost. Coaches are usually pretty quick to point to some stats then.

This week could be ugly and this week could be fun.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Dont you think this Tom bashing and calling out someone's profession calling people liar's has gotten a little out of control. Holy crap if you do not like his posts then just ignore it - but posting a picture of TO is hardly trolling - That man did more than anyone in this state to build NU football and his philosophy on how to coach is sound today and in fact many of the most successful coaches today have been influenced by him

He's a liar, and a preacher. Pretty simple, but your feelings got triggered.
How about you ignore everyone but him? Cry me a river.

 

[tarheelhusker]

 

[Toms Wife]

He's a liar, and a preacher. Pretty simple, but your feelings got triggered.
How about you ignore everyone but him? Cry me a river.

Sorry I brought up Osborne's thoughts. I didn't realize his views on football were considered blasphemy here and would throw folks into a conniptive state. For former coaches I will try to stick to words from Milt, McBride, and Devaney. I will stay away from Tom, Gill, Barney, Ron Brown and of course Frank.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Sorry I brought up Osborne's thoughts. I didn't realize his views on football were considered blasphemy here and would throw folks into a conniptive state. For former coaches I will try to stick to words from Milt, McBride, and Devaney. I will stay away from Tom, Gill, Barney, Ron Brown and of course Frank.

Nah. You do you. You can continue being butthurt about conversations about the most recent coach. Everyone knows exactly what you are all about, preacher

 

[Charlie Marlow]

This thread is an example of why TT has always been overrated as a troll.