Curious if Frost is on the Hot Seat?

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  1. shakes3858

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    Since Osborne, Solich lasted 6 years, but was a top ten team years 2-4. The last 2 years he was at .651 and .753 overall. Callahan lasted 4 years at .551. Pelini stayed awhile at .712. Riley lasted 3 at .500. Frost is going into his third year at .375. Is Frost's seat getting warm? It's clear that your boosters are not afraid to burn a coach quickly. Will a bad year be it for Frost? What's his number of games he needs to win to stay? If Nebraska is, let's say, 6-4 this year, how hot is the seat next year?

    For the record, I'd much prefer Nebraska not returning to the juggernaut of the 90s as I am a Northwestern fan, but I have nothing against Nebraska other than I want my team to be better. It's a little annoying when you take over our stadium stuff, but I mostly blame our own fans, low student body count, lack of a local fan base, and the geographical homes of our students. In other words, not trolling just curious.
     
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    No, he's not. Fans will be very angry if the team sucks again this year but he wouldn't get fired for W-L outcomes this year unless they just got murdered in every game.

    He's getting probably at least 5 years unless there's some kind of scandal. The wise fans and the AD understand that this was a massive rebuild, our roster fell to being about an average MAC team rather than a top of the B1G team.
     
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    No. Especially with the likely budget shortfall with the abbreviated season.
     
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    Not even close. Frost will be given a longer leash than any of his predecessors. People are going to be frustrated if play doesn’t improve, but Frost isn’t going anywhere.
     
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    No. He could probably lose every game this year and Moos would ask which assistant needs to go.
     
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    I didn't think Frost's seat would even get warm until 2021, but would intensify quickly at that point if the record didn't turn around. With all the disruption, that's probably been pushed back a year or two.
     
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  7. BigRedRising

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    ^^^ for sure. I've rewatched a lot of games the past couple months, watching 2017 Arkansas State and Northern Illinois looked bigger, stronger, faster and more determined. This team was bottomed out on morale, talent and leadership.
     
  8. shakes3858

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    I don't put much stock into star rankings, but I do see an uptick looking at the commitment list. I think it's pretty difficult to change offensive styles from coach to coach. I mean Rich Rodriguez couldn't play his system with Lloyd Carr's players. Then Hoke went on and was great year 1 when Carr's players were the oldest on the team. Then he sucked because he was a terrible coach... but a good recruiter.

    Yeah, that's a very good point.

    I'm a firm believer in consistency in the coaching staff. As I mentioned above, changing coaches, systems... means you have the wrong players, who worked on different things than the current staff wants.
     
  9. Truehuskerfan

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    I really couldn't see any scenario where he'd be on the hot seat this year under any circumstances. With the uncertainty that the pandemic brings, there is absolutely zero chance he would get fired this year. I think coaches in general are going to be safer this year because nobody wants to be searching for a new coach in all of this stuff and with reduced athletic revenue nobody wants to be paying a new coach while giving payouts to a former one at the same time.
     
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    COVID, that is all.
     
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    As of right now he is at no more risk of being fired as he was day 1. 99% of husker fans understand what the program was before he got here. We understand it isn't an instant fix type of thing. Also since he is a Nebraska boy the masses will be more patient with him.
    Now, that being said. While we all think he needs time I doubt anyone could have predicted these last 2 years. I said when he was hired he must get to 8 wins by year 4. I still think that holds true. There is no reason by year 4 a good coach should not be able to get to 8 wins. So this year, especially with Covid Frost is safe no matter what. I think Next year if he doesn't get to at least 8 wins his seat could be very very hot and Im not sure he would make it to year 5. Again with Covid messing everything up people may be more forgiving but going to be tough to argue keeping a coach with little to no progress after 4 years.
     
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    He is ranked 6th based on his abysmal performance so far, but there is a big difference between national standards and Nebraska’s at this point in time - so he stays a while longer.
    http://www.coacheshotseat.com/
     
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    I can’t imagine he is close to the hot seat but hopefully he will upgrade more of his assistants when opportunities arise. Obviously talent needs an upgrade, too, but hopefully Frost will discontinue the occasional throwing of players under the bus.
     
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    Hasn’t this been discussed before months ago and keeps being brought up time after time..
     
  16. z28craz

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    Nope. I think many reasonable fans are of the opinion if Frost isn’t the guy, then who else? We’ve run the gambit of coaches, so I think most of us are all in for Frost and willing to give him far longer than any of his predecessors. I think this year is a “COVID” year, and he’ll likely get 5-7 years beyond this season.

    personally I think Frost has all the tools to be a really good coach and perhaps a great coach. But he is young, and will take a little time to grow into the shoes that NU fans expect him to fill.
     
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    Nah brah.
     
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    It will be 2023 before pressure from the top would start to manifest into a minimum results based threshold.

    1. The "big money folks" and University Leadership are all on the same page. That hasn't been the case at Nebraska since roughly 2009. Bo quickly created a fragmented amount of support, and very few people had any faith in Mike Riley.

    2. Everyone at the Big money and Leadership level has moved past the ararrogant stance of "we are Nebraska." That has allowed them to step back and realize this roster, culture and program had become a joke. And it needed a massive reset. That takes time and people believe it's a 3 to 5 year process.

    3. The facilities need work and they are committed to giving Frost and staff the support to make sure Nebraska can compete in the arms race.

    National media reports and hot seat lists are created by people who have to earn clicks. They like to throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks. Nebraska football and a name like Scott Frost makes for an easy target.
     
  19. oldjar07

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    I'm not expecting it to happen but if play doesn't improve, Frost will be on the hot seat.
     
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    We live in a society where results/actions don’t matter. How someone makes you feel, rather than whether or not they produce, matters to the masses, or at least the ones who are vocal. msm forced bo and frank out, while the silent majority was on they’re side.
     
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    How on God's green Earth did the so-called "MSM" force Solich out?

    The media, mainstream or otherwise, had absolutely nothing to do with Solich getting fired. Looks like we've reached the point at which some butthurt goober will inject his politics into every single thread on this board.
     
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    He’s on an upward trajectory record wise, just nice as steep of an angle we thought heading into year 3.
     
  24. shakes3858

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    If Fitz is 14th on the list, the list is BS. To misquote the President, Fitz could stand in the middle fifth avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose his job.
     
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    I don't know, I'm sure some fans are tired of him. Going 3-9 when fans expected them to have a great year after making the CCG the year prior doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.
     
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    I say no AND I appreciate your disclosure and honesty about being a Northwestern fan.

    Not sure if you have posted on here before but IMO, you'll get along well on this board by asking sincere questions or statements (like you did) rather than trolling like some do. Most on here will be sincere and cordial in return.

    Good luck with your season. What are you hearing as a wildcat fan about season and scheduling??
     
  27. husker2612

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    To be fair 75% of the stuff discussed on here has been brought up over and over and over.
     
  28. SLOHusker

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    No. First off he came into a program in shambles. Solich inherited the number one program in the country and slowly weakened it. Callahan was a great recruiter and Pelini benefitted from it. Scott needs several years just to rebuild the core program (which he is doing). This year is probably going to be cancelled after a game or two when it becomes impossible to control COVID19 so we can worry less about a losing season.
     
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    if there is no football this year, will there ever be football again?

    is life canceled for a disease that has a lest than 1% fatality rate, much less if you are under 80?

    somethjng to ponder
     
  30. drubendall

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    I think any reasonable person understands that it takes time to build up a roster that can compete in the Big 10. He's recruiting and developing players. There has been progress. Winning consistently is the result of building a proper foundation.
     
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    Nebraska will start the 2021 season ranked in the top 25, so no.
     
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    I dont doubt that.
     
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    You see, many fans think that they matter. They don't.... unless your name is Pat Ryan, ie Ryan Field. There is a reason why one of Fitz's kids is named Ryan. It's not coincidence. Fans don't matter. Big donors do. The big donors are old and remember what we call the dark ages and Rick Venturi going 1-31-1 over 3 years. They'll excuse a 3-9 year or back to back 5-7 years. They want high graduations rates to brag to their friends at dinner parties, the players not making the news for off the field troubles, and a coach that will stay when we have success. Randy Walker had .451 record and nobody thought of firing him. Fitz is at .556.

    There was a ton of animosity toward the offensive coordinator, a previous oline coach, and the WR coach. The Oline coach took the head coaching job at Eastern Illinois. Many people think Fitz told him to find a new job. The OC was fired this past off season. Fitz is safe.
     
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    Aww... thanks. I've always found Nebraska fans to be reasonable to talk to. I'm happy get in the mud and talk trash and all that. I'm happy to reasonable conversation. I tend to let people choose and meet them at that level. If you want an adult conversation, great. If you want a knife fight, don't whine when you get stabbed.

    I'm beginning to think we won't have a season, UConn was the tipping point for me, but as far as what I'm hearing, the university sent out an email yesterday...

    How to attend games...

    To create the safest possible experience for student-athletes, fans, and staff, we've worked with experts to create social distancing protocols specific to Ryan Field. These necessary safeguards will significantly limit the number of guests we can welcome each game. All seats will be offered on a single-game basis exclusively to Northwestern students and Wildcats Season Ticket Holders, our most committed teammates.

    • Tickets will be offered during a seat selection event prior to the season.

    • The event will be conducted virtually, with our Client Services Specialists standing by to assist.

    • During the seat selection event, fans will have the opportunity to select specific seats for specific games.

    • To offer the Ryan Field experience to as many Wildcats as possible, ticket limits will be in place.

    Who is eligible to participate in the seat selection event?

    Anyone who has ordered season tickets for the 2020 season and/or held season tickets in 2019 is eligible to participate in the seat selection event, provided he/she opts-in. The deadline to opt-in is next Thursday, August 13th at 5:00 p.m. CT.

    How to opt-in...

    In order to better plan ticket order limits, we are asking all eligible fans to opt-in if you think you may be interested in attending games at Ryan Field this fall. Opting-in is easy and comes with no obligation to purchase tickets.
     

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