39 days since our last verbal (non-kickers)

[HuskerAlum92]

Sorry, guys. I am not normally a "sky is falling" kind of guy. I was pondering the state of our recruiting, the road to NSD, and our recent (lack of) progress, and I felt the need to vent a little nervousness. The funny thing about making a post, is that you've got to defend it to some degree. But the defense didn't dissipate the nervousness, it exacerbated it. I should know better.

Taking a chill pill, and hoping things work out....

 

[otismotis08]

Exhibit A, huskeralum92.

Tell me, KC, would you rather the coaches just fill the class with bodies so our ranking is higher for right now? Serious question here...

Don't you see that the recruits we are in on aren't making decisions right now? If we panic and simply fill the class we will have a bump in recruiting ranking for now but that's it. Like I posted earlier, if we want better recruits, we have to play chicken with some big dogs. Or we could play it safe and offer people we know will accept but aren't the difference makers that can help us rebuild. This is why so many are preaching patience.

To answer your question, no. Of course we shouldn't simply fill the class with bodies.
Still, there are 42 other schools who have figured out how to recruit better (as of today). That's my concern.

 

[Archie Graham]

To answer your question, no. Of course we shouldn't simply fill the class with bodies.
Still, there are 42 other schools who have figured out how to recruit better (as of today). That's my concern.

Yeah...this still doesn't make sense. Posting it again doesn't help that change.

 

[Bugeater]

I think the class will come together in the end and be very solid. Bottom line is, we won't know what the impact of this class will be for a few years, maybe with the exception of a few players that may see the field as true or RS freshmen. I'm hoping that the trends of quite a few past classes gets reversed, meaning these kids and future recruits stay and develop as a group. If that can happen, and the injury bug (hopefully) stays very light, it will bode well for depth and better quality on the field. More than anything, the program needs the majority of these recruits to pan out and develop into solid players. Sure, not all will start or see great amounts of playing time, but just having a great deal of them here for 4-5 years will be most beneficial in the long run. FWIW.

 

[otismotis08]

Yeah...this still doesn't make sense. Posting it again doesn't help that change.

It's pretty simple. Just like "you are who your record says you are". Your current recruiting ranking is just that. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by signing day, but until then...we are #43.

 

[timnsun]

To answer your question, no. Of course we shouldn't simply fill the class with bodies.
Still, there are 42 other schools who have figured out how to recruit better (as of today). That's my concern.

I am amazed that you can't see the ridiculousness in this approach… 42 other schools have not figured out and done a better job. Many, and I mean many, of those schools that are ahead of us are ahead of us simply because of numbers. When we fill the class we will jump a lot of them… Why can't you see this? You're making my head hurt...

 

[Archie Graham]

It's pretty simple. Just like "you are who your record says you are". Your current recruiting ranking is just that. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by signing day, but until then...we are #43.

You said 42 schools has figured out how to recruit better. That makes no sense. Only a fool would make that kind of statement frozen in time.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

If we fill up our class with our A-list guys, then people are predicting a finish around #20 or so. But if we lose out on most of those and fill in with B-list and C-list guys, how far would we rise?

The fact that recruiting rankings are impacted by class size doesn't seem quite right to me. If we fill up our class with nothing but C-list guys, we'll rise in the ratings just due to numbers but that won't mean we're actually better. I prefer to look at average rating of the players verballed/signed.

 

[timnsun]

If we fill up our class with our A-list guys, then people are predicting a finish around #20 or so. But if we lose out on most of those and fill in with B-list and C-list guys, how far would we rise?

The fact that recruiting rankings are impacted by class size doesn't seem quite right to me. If we fill up our class with nothing but C-list guys, we'll rise in the ratings just due to numbers but that won't mean we're actually better. I prefer to look at average rating of the players verballed/signed.

Bingo! A lot of us are saying this very thing… But there are some who refuse to take that approach. I won't even name them; however, one is posting in this very thread. I'm sure you can figure out who that is.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

If we fill up our class with our A-list guys, then people are predicting a finish around #20 or so. But if we lose out on most of those and fill in with B-list and C-list guys, how far would we rise?

The fact that recruiting rankings are impacted by class size doesn't seem quite right to me. If we fill up our class with nothing but C-list guys, we'll rise in the ratings just due to numbers but that won't mean we're actually better. I prefer to look at average rating of the players verballed/signed.

Rivals looks at top 20 guys.

 

[TheBeav815]

I get the sense they had a bad run of coming in 2nd recently. IMO, the product on the field hurt their momentum a little bit.

I know HTO was thinking as high as upper teens for a bit, my guess is losing the DB to ASU impacted the drop in expectations to the mid 20s range. Probably another guy shifted that factors in there as well.

Facts are facts, it's been a bad stretch for them. The coaches aren't going to tell you "Oh yeah, we planned on not taking any commits in that span." This will end up being a solid class, but it's still going to leave NU on the outside looking in. There's not an aspect of this program that you point to right now and say, "THIS is why they're playing for a title in 2018."

To justify this staff, the recruiting has to be lights out. Whatever the theory on Riley, whether he's the guy or the caretaker to set up the guy, the recruiting must be ELITE to make it a good hire.

 

[NikkiSixx]

You fix it by having bags of freaking cash to hand out.

 

[TheBeav815]

You fix it by having bags of freaking cash to hand out.

I often wonder if NU is playing dirty enough to get it done any more. I think there was a little more going on back when than we all really let ourselves believe.

 

[spinner4]

P5 offers reported

Alexander 16
Bootle 2
Brokop 9
Bryant 9
Dismuke 7
Domann 8 (Gatorade POY)
Grim 1 (CA State record for TDs)
O'Brien 2 (WAY more if not committed early)
Raridon 11
Simmons 6
Spielman 4 (Gatorade POY)
Stille 2
Stoll 3
Wilson 5

You're an idiot.

Your telling half the story. Great, they got offers from Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, and etc. How many top 15 teams offered these guys? How do the offer lists of top 15 schools in recruiting compare to our commits?


And Brokop & Raridon (like it or not) committed before Riley got here. So not really a Mike Riley commit.

Call me an idiot? Your an idiot if you think that an Indiana offer holds the same value as an Ohio State just because there Power 5 or whatever.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Your telling half the story. Great, they got offers from Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, and etc. How many top 15 teams offered these guys? How do the offer lists of top 15 schools in recruiting compare to our commits?


And Brokop & Raridon (like it or not) committed before Riley got here. So not really a Mike Riley commit.

Call me an idiot? Your an idiot if you think that an Indiana offer holds the same value as an Ohio State just because there Power 5 or whatever.

Ouch.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Your telling half the story. Great, they got offers from Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, and etc. How many top 15 teams offered these guys? How do the offer lists of top 15 schools in recruiting compare to our commits?


And Brokop & Raridon (like it or not) committed before Riley got here. So not really a Mike Riley commit.

Call me an idiot? Your an idiot if you think that an Indiana offer holds the same value as an Ohio State just because there Power 5 or whatever.

Yeah...P5 means almost nothing. I agree...lets see those with top 15 offers. Maybe we are doing really well with those kinds of guys...I have no idea.

 

[TheBeav815]

Your telling half the story. Great, they got offers from Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, and etc. How many top 15 teams offered these guys? How do the offer lists of top 15 schools in recruiting compare to our commits?


And Brokop & Raridon (like it or not) committed before Riley got here. So not really a Mike Riley commit.

Call me an idiot? Your an idiot if you think that an Indiana offer holds the same value as an Ohio State just because there Power 5 or whatever.

***YOU'RE
***THEIR

Irony: Using incorrect spelling to call somebody else an idiot.

 

[Archie Graham]

Your telling half the story. Great, they got offers from Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, and etc. How many top 15 teams offered these guys? How do the offer lists of top 15 schools in recruiting compare to our commits?


And Brokop & Raridon (like it or not) committed before Riley got here. So not really a Mike Riley commit.

Call me an idiot? Your an idiot if you think that an Indiana offer holds the same value as an Ohio State just because there Power 5 or whatever.

Suddenly it's not Sacremento State, eh? Now they do have P5 options they just aren't good enough offers. Bullshit. You basically stated we had scrubs except for two guys. That's bullshit. Lots of our guys had solid offers and plenty from good schools. Some that don't are the best in their state. We also addressed our major need in the short term except for DE which we will address soon. A couple guys committed early and have stayed on with Riley and his staff. You're an idiot and continue to show it around here. I didn't equate tOSU and Indiana but you did equate Indiana and Sacremento State.

 

[RedSea]

Obviously we won't know what we have (rating-wise) until signing day. You can't assume that we will pull in big fish from here on, you can't assume we won't get any either. As it stands, we are way behind OSU, MSU, Mich, and PSU in 4-5 star recruits in just our own conference at this point. We'll have to see what happens.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

Reese is officially off the table. Another one of those guys that was supposed to help vault us up the ratings.

 

[Harry Caray]

I'm concerned because this staff has shown over the last 15 years that it cannot win big with lesser talent than other teams in their conference.

IMO it's going to take Top 10 caliber recruiting classes to win championships running the offense they want to run, and to overcome their often questionable game management.

 

[TheBeav815]

I'm concerned because this staff has shown over the last 15 years that it cannot win big with lesser talent than other teams in their conference.

IMO it's going to take Top 10 caliber recruiting classes to run the offense they want to run, and to overcome their often questionable game management.

Say that a little louder for the people in the back.

 

[jflores]

I'm concerned because this staff has shown over the last 15 years that it cannot win big with lesser talent than other teams in their conference.

IMO it's going to take Top 10 caliber recruiting classes to win championships running the offense they want to run, and to overcome their often questionable game management.

Why do people keep saying this? We are scoring 33 points a game with a QB that the Riley naysayers say isn't even really a QB.

Our best passing offense since the scoring explosion was run by a 2* in Ganz, a 3* in Swift, and a walk=on in Peterson.

You don't need Peyton Manning to throw the ball decently.

I get that people are upset that Riley is not changing his whole focus to fit NU's 30 year profile, or that he can't get TA to throw less than a TO a game average, but lets not overstate the case here that the 85 Bears have to show up for us to be in contention for the B1G playoff spot.

 

[19Football19]

P5 offers reported

Alexander 16
Bootle 2
Brokop 9
Bryant 9
Dismuke 7
Domann 8 (Gatorade POY)
Grim 1 (CA State record for TDs)
O'Brien 2 (WAY more if not committed early)
Raridon 11
Simmons 6
Spielman 4 (Gatorade POY)
Stille 2
Stoll 3
Wilson 5

Suggesting that Alexander and Dismuke are the only major talents in this class illustrates you literally have no clue what you are talking about.

When haven't you lived a class? I get the Rodney glasses, but......who did we beat out head to head against OSU, OU, Orgeon, Florida?

 

[dinglefritz]

Reese is officially off the table. Another one of those guys that was supposed to help vault us up the ratings.

Reese was never part of the recruiting analysts forecast that said we would finish top 25 in recruiting. He came along later. Most of the guys that will raise our ranking are still to decide with a several of them supposedly leaning our way.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

Reese was never part of the recruiting analysts forecast that said we would finish top 25 in recruiting. He came along later. Most of the guys that will raise our ranking are still to decide with a several of them supposedly leaning our way.

So all the guys that have decided in the last couple weeks, analysts weren't considering them in the NU equation at all. But all the guys that have yet to decide, those are the guys that analysts were basing their predictions on. Mmm, kay.

I suppose that means that you think we are still on track for a finish in the teens. That is, if you want to be consistent.

Please impress us with your knowledge and provide a complete list of what can reasonably be expected to happen that will get us into the 15-20 range.

 

[ssmill777]

Who cares about being full? We are about a half a star ranking per player ahead of them (2.83 to 3.21). I would be flipping out (in a bad way) if Riley brought in Iowa's class.

I don't give a rip about star ranking, they went 12-0 and then barely lost in the championship at the last second. We stunk up the West and went 5-7. You do the math, you're the professor right?

 

[ssmill777]

I get the sense they had a bad run of coming in 2nd recently. IMO, the product on the field hurt their momentum a little bit.

I know HTO was thinking as high as upper teens for a bit, my guess is losing the DB to ASU impacted the drop in expectations to the mid 20s range. Probably another guy shifted that factors in there as well.

Facts are facts, it's been a bad stretch for them. The coaches aren't going to tell you "Oh yeah, we planned on not taking any commits in that span." This will end up being a solid class, but it's still going to leave NU on the outside looking in. There's not an aspect of this program that you point to right now and say, "THIS is why they're playing for a title in 2018."

To justify this staff, the recruiting has to be lights out. Whatever the theory on Riley, whether he's the guy or the caretaker to set up the guy, the recruiting must be ELITE to make it a good hire.

And that pretty much sums it up for me, too. Riley's on field record for the first yr was very unimpressive. Recruiting must improve over Pelini's bunch, and so far it hasn't much. Those two facts will not turn the program around any time soon. Thanks Mr. Eichorst.

 

[timnsun]

So all the guys that have decided in the last couple weeks, analysts weren't considering them in the NU equation at all. But all the guys that have yet to decide, those are the guys that analysts were basing their predictions on. Mmm, kay.

I suppose that means that you think we are still on track for a finish in the teens. That is, if you want to be consistent.

Please impress us with your knowledge and provide a complete list of what can reasonably be expected to happen that will get us into the 15-20 range.

I only remember 2 guys that have pulled the trigger that Nebraska had a shot at. Reese today and the DB from JC. The DB was factored in to the top 25 finish I am sure, but don't know all these other names you are worried about.

I could be missing some pretty easily, maybe someone with more knowledge can help out here...

 

[HuskerAlum92]

OT Anchrum definitely belongs in set of recruits that analysts were counting on NU that are now committed elsewhere.

 

[timnsun]

OT Anchrum definitely belongs in set of recruits that analysts were counting on NU that are now committed elsewhere.

Yep I missed that one too.

 

[19Football19]

I don't give a rip about star ranking, they went 12-0 and then barely lost in the championship at the last second. We stunk up the West and went 5-7. You do the math, you're the professor right?

I hope you don't really think Iowa is a top 10 team.....do you? No disrespect to them, but they might win 2 games in the SEC. They're having a once a decade season where things went their way and a Neb type schedule of years past. I hope we have a run like them once maybe twice a decade.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

I hope you don't really think Iowa is a top 10 team.....do you? No disrespect to them, but they might win 2 games in the SEC. They're having a once a decade season where things went their way and a Neb type schedule of years past. I hope we have a run like them once maybe twice a decade.

I liked that I got to see the SECSPN talking heads forced to begrudgingly admit that the B1G was the best conference this year. You know desereves credit for that? Iowa. You know who doesn't? Nebraska. Iowa carried the mantle for thier conference this year better than any Nebraska team since 2001. That's almost a generation, folks.

As a Nebraska fan, I understand the appeal of putting down Iowa. But come on man. Iowa would win 2 games in the the SEC? Go root for the Missouri meth heads.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

And that pretty much sums it up for me, too. Riley's on field record for the first yr was very unimpressive. Recruiting must improve over Pelini's bunch, and so far it hasn't much. Those two facts will not turn the program around any time soon. Thanks Mr. Eichorst.

^^^^^This^^^^^ Riley's first year record was a monumental dud and hurt any recruiting momentum we had. And so far his recruiting is no better than Pelini. The sunshine pumpers and Riley apologists can get on here and say all they want about better organization and better coaching. But here is the only fact I care about: 5-7. This is freaking Nebraska. 5-7 records are completely unacceptable. So Riley better drag in some quality recruits by signing day or the wolves will be after him. And they should be. We did not fire Pelini and bring in Riley so we could maintain the status quo. He has to win. Period. And so far all I see is a smile and seven losses.

 

[dinglefritz]

OT Anchrum definitely belongs in set of recruits that analysts were counting on NU that are now committed elsewhere.

It depends entirely on the timeline from which analyst and Anchrum was not a guy nor was Reese when I last listened to any analyst project us with a mid 20s class. You can cherry pick and choose guys that people have mentioned at various times during the fall but the situation is fluid so until you show me a set point in time with recruit A, B and C by somebody like SC it doesn't mean a thing. Join RSS if you want a run down and then you can bring it over and post it here and see what happens.

 

[19Football19]

I liked that I got to see the SECSPN talking heads forced to begrudgingly admit that the B1G was the best conference this year. You know desereves credit for that? Iowa. You know who doesn't? Nebraska. Iowa carried the mantle for thier conference this year better than any Nebraska team since 2001. That's almost a generation, folks.

As a Nebraska fan, I understand the appeal of putting down Iowa. But come on man. Iowa would win 2 games in the the SEC? Go root for the Missouri meth heads.

There isn't an alternative We have a strong class going right now but if we want to close on big time prospects you have to go late in the recruiting season. The difference is our staff has legit back-up plans for a number of these positions in the event that we don't hit on some of these guys - just like all programs that are competing for big names.

how many years in a row have you said our class is better than people think??? I get your a die-hard Archie, but do you really think the players we keep missing on is no big deal and we just plug with the next one??? We haven't won a conf title in 16 years.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Reese is officially off the table. Another one of those guys that was supposed to help vault us up the ratings.

Serious question, do you even understand the team "ratings"?

Nebraska is 343 points away from #25. That is 5 commits, and all can be middle 3-stars (5.6 rating). Or, that is 4 commits from 5.6 guys and 1 commit from a 5.5 guy. Heck, I could take it even further than that however, it's not worth it.

Had Nebraska, at this point right now, had 5 guys commit in the last month that were 5.6 (or any combination of 3-stars to get the 343 points), the same posters would be bitching that the class sucks.

how many years in a row have you said our class is better than people think???

I don't recall Archie ever saying that. Since you're a "new poster", cough cough cough, you wouldn't know how many years either of them said anything.

 

[yorocco]

how many years in a row have you said our class is better than people think??? I get your a die-hard Archie, but do you really think the players we keep missing on is no big deal and we just plug with the next one??? We haven't won a conf title in 16 years.

Fact is its more difficult than ever to win big consistently except for a few current programs.
With all,the money at stake EVERY school is trying really hard now.
There is less patience with coaches than ever before.
There are more donations than ever before.
There are more good football players than ever before.
It won't be like it used to be. Everyone has adequate to good facilities. Everyone has academic resources and training table.
It's a freaking dogfight.
Enjoy the victories when they come.
I think the college game will soon be ruined by all the money made and all the money being spent.
The breaking point is near
It's more important than ever to enjoy the little victories and not let missing the playoff ruin every season

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Riley's first year record was a monumental dud and hurt any recruiting momentum we had

Huh? The bold couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[timnsun]

^^^^^This^^^^^ Riley's first year record was a monumental dud and hurt any recruiting momentum we had. And so far his recruiting is no better than Pelini. The sunshine pumpers and Riley apologists can get on here and say all they want about better organization and better coaching. But here is the only fact I care about: 5-7. This is freaking Nebraska. 5-7 records are completely unacceptable. So Riley better drag in some quality recruits by signing day or the wolves will be after him. And they should be. We did not fire Pelini and bring in Riley so we could maintain the status quo. He has to win. Period. And so far all I see is a smile and seven losses.

Come on, pennsy, really? You may not think it matters but recruiting is so much more organized right now, and it will pay off. Rest assured, if it doesn't, Riley won't last long.

of course he needs to win... But this year's 5-7 season reflects so much of what was wrong with the program. It seems as if you want to blame it all on coaching (and coaching played a big part at times, no question). It was so much more than that. If things don't improve, these coaches won't last long. Everybody knows that, even the "sunshine pumpers". The difference is the sunshine pumpers are saying give them time while the head hunters have their pitchforks and torches ready. We don't know who is on the right track but things are definitely heated, so much so that people seem unwilling to even let him finish this recruiting cycle.