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Hope you don't mind but I merged these 2 threads.I wouldn't.
Well at least you gave them five games.....I stopped supporting them after the Illinois loss. Lack of fundamental coaching skills on a high school level will never be successful in the big ten.
That's all I needed to see. A 10 year old kid playing madden would have known how to finish that game. Won't even bring up the purdue dumpster fire......Well at least you gave them five games.....
That's all I needed to see. A 10 year old kid playing madden would have known how to finish that game. Won't even bring up the purdue dumpster fire......
There can be a lot of extenuating circumstances to a W/L record. Lack of depth from a previous coach's recruiting and key injuries can be mitigating factors.Yes, I don't hire and fire so not supporting doesn't do any good so I always support my team and staff.
Next year could set up to be a really "fun" year. We will have a ton of depth on the D-Line even possibly without Collins. We will have a ton of LB'ers, and I see our secondary becoming loaded as well. Let's see how that all plays out. Also, hopefully Tre Bryant, Wilbon, or someone clearly makes the statement they are the guy at RB. Future could be damn bright. Coaches just have to prove themselves next year.
I'm assuming you also quit on Bo about three games in when his dumbassery helped us lose to Virginia Tech...amirite?
As opposed to being ok with a coach telling them to f-off and allowing records to be set on his "guru coached" defense.Lets see if you feel the same way after another embarrassing loss in our bowl game. I would hope that the vast majority of fans are sick and tired of this, rather than supporting the status quo.
Your expectations are really 5 wins? - not trying to be natsy or anything just surprisedDepends what the record is. 4 wins or less next year, it's time to go. If he wins 5+ games and shows improvement in recruiting, then he'll buy one more year at least.
The key is, and why I liked his post, what follows the and... Shows improvement in recruiting. If recruiting is pointed in the right direction, it buys him some more time.Your expectations are really 5 wins? - not trying to be natsy or anything just surprised
Reasonable - not my stance but I understand it and you may be right. Since I believe he will fail here recruiting to a passing offense that most likely we will not have in the future could hurt us in that respect.I hope they recruit some good defensive talentThe key is, and why I liked his post, what follows the and... Shows improvement in recruiting. If recruiting is pointed in the right direction, it buys him some more time.
If We play Tommy and have a losing Season, I will be all out! If we struggle through with a freshman and he plays well at the end of the year, yes.If we struggle with a new QB, our clock management don't improve, and we are once again heavy penalized absolutely not!I wouldn't.
Good points there as well. If he does recruit well but fails anyway, what will our offense look like post Riley? Food for thought...Reasonable - not my stance but I understand it and you may be right. Since I believe he will fail here recruiting to a passing offense that most likely we will not have in the future could hurt us in that respect.I hope they recruit some good defensive talent
Your expectations are really 5 wins? - not trying to be natsy or anything just surprised
If he goes 5-7 next year, I would be in favor for retaining him another year. It's not that my expectations are only 5 wins. My expectations is that we don't hire/fire every two years. I think that builds instability that can really damage a program. It hurts the players, recruiting, the finances (having 3 head coaches on the payroll come 2017), the ability to attract new coaches, the image of the program, etc.. I think those costs are greater, long term, then the cost of having another third crappy season.
And, I want Riley to be looking at the long game - building the program for future years - rather than trying to save his job year 2. Maybe running a read option offense with Tommy next year is the best way to win 7 to 9 games next year. But does that get us in a better position for winning on conference championship level for years 3 to 5? Would the line and receivers develop the way they should to run an offense that Riley is best at coaching? I don't believe Riley is the best coach for the job, unfortunately, but I do know acknowledge that I may be wrong and he deserves the best opportunity to prove me such.
Of course, if he goes 2-10, I'll feed him to the dogs personally.
As opposed to being ok with a coach telling them to f-off and allowing records to be set on his "guru coached" defense.