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I think the OP is right about the B1G conference being stronger than the typical Big 8 conference, if we don’t cherry pick the few years that the Big 8 had a lot of good teams. But if we accept that as fact, it is ridiculous to be this bad. We can’t block, can’t tackle, can’t play special teams and may be the most mistake prone team in the world. That’s not scheduling. 12-20 is due to how bad we are, not how tough we have it schedule wise.
Interesting second post......
Interesting second post......
Well maybe if they ran them correctly like throwing a catchable pass instead of throwing it behind the line which happen not once but twice with 2 turnovers to start the Friken game leading toward 2 TD for the opponents we would be less obsessed over swing passes...
There's some truth to this, but it misses a lot of important context. Nebraska won championships in the 90s, but they were also THE team of the 80s. Yes they lost on the national stage, sometimes embarrassingly so, but we were often playing extraordinarily dominant teams in Miami and FSU. Off the top of my head, during that 7-year stretch of bowl losses we played three teams that won the National Championship. In other words, we were playing the very best of the best. I also remember losing to Michigan in there somewhere, and that game was very close.I’m 45 and, was lucky enough to be around to enjoy our amazing run in the 90’s. The fact is our reality was much different at that time.
* The Big Eight was NOT a very good football conference. We very much benefited from a weak conference schedule, and by the 90s OU was struggling.
* NCAA was just getting going with steroid testing and I don’t think that the conference tested. We were also on the cutting edge with regard to our S&C/nutrition programs...everyone does this now.
* We benefitted from low academic standards and partial qualifiers...Texas ended the partial qualifiers.
* 95-92 scholarship limit benefitted the blue bloods. Also our in state walk-on program got quite a few kids that seem to end up at places like Wyoming and the Dakotas these days.
*Our recruiting was not what people seem to remember. We had some our our greatest success leading up to and during that run, but we also benefitted from an unusual amount of local talent over those years. That said, even during our best years we did not ever have a draft class that matches some of the NFL drafts Ohio St, Bama, and Clemson have put together over the last few years. Sure we were close a few of those years, but we had a lot of mid to late round picks.
* Our success on the national scene was up and down. For years leading up to that run, we had struggled mightily in bowl games.
As much as I hate to admit it (and I’m a bit of a pessimist in these matters),I don’t ever think we will see a run anywhere near what we did back then. As fans, we need to rethink our expectations (most of us have). When Frost was hired, I told myself that he was the guy and that he would have my support until he wanted to move on.
That said, four years in the product we are putting on the field is unacceptable with the resources we still have. SF is clearly a poor game coach, and we are not getting better. Worse yet, somehow I really think he believed that we would be a good football team this year. I don’t expect to ever see much improvement in our program under Frost.
One of the years with Crouch, we started multiple games with a turnover on the first play. Guess we should have canceled the option and the toss sweep.
I agreeI think the second half of the Rutgers game was just that(the whole game really, we just stopped turning it over and wore them down the second half). I know it was one game out of three years, but they had to see how a diverse running game worked, right? Option, zone read, pistol, play action. That needs to be that blueprint moving forward. We can win with that offensive identity.
Ok, we can debate this to death but you are comparing the old Big 2 Little 8 version of the B1G, which admittedly was awful in most years (other than UM and OSU). Teams like Iowa, Wisconsin and Minny were horrible, but what does that have to do with the present?He is not right about the B1G being stronger. Like I posted above from 70-95,(the last 25 years of the conference), the Big 8 had 8 National Championship teams and the B1G had 1.
And that one claimed title was by OSU, in a season (1970) in which they lost their bowl game. Nebraska would have many more titles if they did nonsense like that.
none of the QBs who left NU when Frost came in have had any more success than Adrian. You could argue that each has their own quality that maybe Adrian doesn't bring to the table. Gebbia is probably a more accurate passer. Vedral seems to have that gym rat mentality that serves him well and he's a reasonably good runner. Neither of those guys has been able to stay healthy and neither have the kind of physical ability of Adrian. Adrian's downside obviously has been the turnovers and passing accuracy. Gebbia and Vedral both have had issues with turnovers.I do not think talent wise our talent was not down that much even when Frost came, He and his staff were
out manned as far as coaching experience goes in the Big Ten, and Frankly game plans I believe are
fundamentally flawed. Certainly a great QB would have turned losing season into bowl games. The QBs
that left Nebraska turned out to be better than the ones he kept.
I’m 45 and, was lucky enough to be around to enjoy our amazing run in the 90’s. The fact is our reality was much different at that time.
* The Big Eight was NOT a very good football conference. We very much benefited from a weak conference schedule, and by the 90s OU was struggling.
* NCAA was just getting going with steroid testing and I don’t think that the conference tested. We were also on the cutting edge with regard to our S&C/nutrition programs...everyone does this now.
* We benefitted from low academic standards and partial qualifiers...Texas ended the partial qualifiers.
* 95-92 scholarship limit benefitted the blue bloods. Also our in state walk-on program got quite a few kids that seem to end up at places like Wyoming and the Dakotas these days.
*Our recruiting was not what people seem to remember. We had some our our greatest success leading up to and during that run, but we also benefitted from an unusual amount of local talent over those years. That said, even during our best years we did not ever have a draft class that matches some of the NFL drafts Ohio St, Bama, and Clemson have put together over the last few years. Sure we were close a few of those years, but we had a lot of mid to late round picks.
* Our success on the national scene was up and down. For years leading up to that run, we had struggled mightily in bowl games.
As much as I hate to admit it (and I’m a bit of a pessimist in these matters),I don’t ever think we will see a run anywhere near what we did back then. As fans, we need to rethink our expectations (most of us have). When Frost was hired, I told myself that he was the guy and that he would have my support until he wanted to move on.
That said, four years in the product we are putting on the field is unacceptable with the resources we still have. SF is clearly a poor game coach, and we are not getting better. Worse yet, somehow I really think he believed that we would be a good football team this year. I don’t expect to ever see much improvement in our program under Frost.
get help.so essentially you couldn't be more wrong and are now trying to move the goalposts
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the swing pass is designed with the hope of getting a guy in space where he can make somebody miss and get a chunk play. It IS usually a pretty high percentage play that should be as easy to execute as a toss sweep. That hasn't been the case at times for our QBs. IF you can't run the ball inside to keep the linebackers and safeties honest though, it's tougher to execute in the passing game be it swing passes or any other pass.There's nothing more crazy on this board than the obsession with the swing pass. If you run a toss sweep for a yard, no one says a thing. If you run a swing pass for a yard, it's the only thing talked about for the week. It's just like any other play, you have to execute it correctly.
This is so true, if Coaches can have winning years in places like Ames and Manhattan it can happen in Lincoln. It's all about getting the right guy. Def easier said than done esp for us...I never bought the notion that if Frost can’t get us there, no one can. I think most of us have figured it out that Frost maybe isn’t a very good play caller/preparation coach, which will lead to head scratching losses. But I will say, it’s not easy building Nebraska. It’s at a major disadvantage when it comes to recruiting but on the flip side, the resources and money is top tier. We might not see a 90s run ever again, but I have faith that some coach will get us playing for a championship.
I think the OP is right about the B1G conference being stronger than the typical Big 8 conference, if we don’t cherry pick the few years that the Big 8 had a lot of good teams. But if we accept that as fact, it is ridiculous to be this bad. We can’t block, can’t tackle, can’t play special teams and may be the most mistake prone team in the world. That’s not scheduling. 12-20 is due to how bad we are, not how tough we have it schedule wise.
1970 - present
more than 2 teams finish in the top 10 -- big8/12 - 7 -- BIG - 10
at least 2 teams finish in the top 10 -- big8/12 -- 26 -- BIG - 28
Exactly another troll related to Jib..
the swing pass is designed with the hope of getting a guy in space where he can make somebody miss and get a chunk play. It IS usually a pretty high percentage play that should be as easy to execute as a toss sweep. That hasn't been the case at times for our QBs. IF you can't run the ball inside to keep the linebackers and safeties honest though, it's tougher to execute in the passing game be it swing passes or any other pass.
Every team in the country including the NFL runs swing passes. Teams use it to stretch the field side to side in part to keep teams from loading the box with safeties. Tom used quick sideline and swing passes as well when people loaded the box. It's just part of your playbook to respond to what defenses are doing to you. Alabama runs swing passes very effectively often for chunk gains. Hell my lowly Vikes love to get a swing pass out to Cook to get him in space for chunk plays.My completely non-scientific theory is that at Oregon and UCF, Frost did not face defenses that tackle as well as Big Ten defenses. Fewer missed tackles on those swing passes make that play very ineffective in the B1G.
You lost me when you said the Big 8I’m 45 and, was lucky enough to be around to enjoy our amazing run in the 90’s. The fact is our reality was much different at that time.
* The Big Eight was NOT a very good football conference. We very much benefited from a weak conference schedule, and by the 90s OU was struggling.
* NCAA was just getting going with steroid testing and I don’t think that the conference tested. We were also on the cutting edge with regard to our S&C/nutrition programs...everyone does this now.
* We benefitted from low academic standards and partial qualifiers...Texas ended the partial qualifiers.
* 95-92 scholarship limit benefitted the blue bloods. Also our in state walk-on program got quite a few kids that seem to end up at places like Wyoming and the Dakotas these days.
*Our recruiting was not what people seem to remember. We had some our our greatest success leading up to and during that run, but we also benefitted from an unusual amount of local talent over those years. That said, even during our best years we did not ever have a draft class that matches some of the NFL drafts Ohio St, Bama, and Clemson have put together over the last few years. Sure we were close a few of those years, but we had a lot of mid to late round picks.
* Our success on the national scene was up and down. For years leading up to that run, we had struggled mightily in bowl games.
As much as I hate to admit it (and I’m a bit of a pessimist in these matters),I don’t ever think we will see a run anywhere near what we did back then. As fans, we need to rethink our expectations (most of us have). When Frost was hired, I told myself that he was the guy and that he would have my support until he wanted to move on.
That said, four years in the product we are putting on the field is unacceptable with the resources we still have. SF is clearly a poor game coach, and we are not getting better. Worse yet, somehow I really think he believed that we would be a good football team this year. I don’t expect to ever see much improvement in our program under Frost.
Osborne had only 13 different formations. Fortunately, by adding wrinkles to the 13 formations he had opposing defenses running around like organ grinder's monkeys by the third quarter.Exactly. I would also add one more thing to my musings today on going back to our more traditional offensive identity. The fans. I remember when we played OSU in Lincoln in Frost's first year and when he came out in one series and ran the I formation with a fullback for four or five plays the crowd went apeshit berserk. I was dancing a jig in my living room watching the game all hopped-up on bourbon and happy as hell. I think our fans would absolutely love a return to our older way of doing things.
This might go down as the absolute worst post of all time. We have resources, fans and a great history. Winning solves a lot of problems. Stop glossing over our history like we were only good because of steroids and a weak Big 8. It’s a joke and you’re a complete clown. If you want to blame somebody for our current situation, point at decades of poor leadership and coaching hires post Osborne. I think everybody wants Frost to succeed but he is learning how to coach at this level with a staff that is learning as well. We make our own problems.
Well then, you clearly missed the entire COVID shutdown and all the “expertise” being laid down on this board.
It was flat-earther, anti-vaxxer, home-schooler central. Experts everywhere!!!
Don’t need a lot of posts to call out foolish behavior.Exactly another troll related to Jib..
Yep. Frost's offense is just too cute sometimes. All of that pussy football with the swing passes has got to go. Just like against Rutgers when we had Mills running great and had just ripped off a fifty yard run, when we get to the two yard line we start running Wandale up the middle. Good grief. I know Mills probably needed a breather, but at that point, in the interests of instilling in your players a sense that this is not pussy football, you leave Mills in to finish the deed.
Okay jlb. making another name up on a board of a team you dislike is over the top..Don’t need a lot of posts to call out foolish behavior.
You’re suspicion of trolls is a bit creepy.
the last 2 years has been ~ 60% run + 40% pass
Lmao. Yes.Osborne had only 13 different formations. Fortunately, by adding wrinkles to the 13 formations he had opposing defenses running around like organ grinder's monkeys by the third quarter.
TO didn’t run a whole lot of different plays, but he did use a whole lot of different formations. He was really ahead of his time as far as the numbers game in the running game was concerned. He was running a modern spread running game 25 years ago.Osborne had only 13 different formations. Fortunately, by adding wrinkles to the 13 formations he had opposing defenses running around like organ grinder's monkeys by the third quarter.
1) The Big 8/Big 12 was (team for team) probably the elite conference for much of the 90s. The conference was dominant in bowl games and head-to-head in non-conference matchups. NU, KSU, Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, and OU at the start of the 2000s were routinely in the top 25. So you are just flat out wrong on that point.I’m 45 and, was lucky enough to be around to enjoy our amazing run in the 90’s. The fact is our reality was much different at that time.
* The Big Eight was NOT a very good football conference. We very much benefited from a weak conference schedule, and by the 90s OU was struggling.
* NCAA was just getting going with steroid testing and I don’t think that the conference tested. We were also on the cutting edge with regard to our S&C/nutrition programs...everyone does this now.
* We benefitted from low academic standards and partial qualifiers...Texas ended the partial qualifiers.
* 95-92 scholarship limit benefitted the blue bloods. Also our in state walk-on program got quite a few kids that seem to end up at places like Wyoming and the Dakotas these days.
*Our recruiting was not what people seem to remember. We had some our our greatest success leading up to and during that run, but we also benefitted from an unusual amount of local talent over those years. That said, even during our best years we did not ever have a draft class that matches some of the NFL drafts Ohio St, Bama, and Clemson have put together over the last few years. Sure we were close a few of those years, but we had a lot of mid to late round picks.
* Our success on the national scene was up and down. For years leading up to that run, we had struggled mightily in bowl games.
As much as I hate to admit it (and I’m a bit of a pessimist in these matters),I don’t ever think we will see a run anywhere near what we did back then. As fans, we need to rethink our expectations (most of us have). When Frost was hired, I told myself that he was the guy and that he would have my support until he wanted to move on.
That said, four years in the product we are putting on the field is unacceptable with the resources we still have. SF is clearly a poor game coach, and we are not getting better. Worse yet, somehow I really think he believed that we would be a good football team this year. I don’t expect to ever see much improvement in our program under Frost.
Hi, I'm earth. Have we met?
Your screen name is dumbYou called a post “worst”. We have plenty of horrible takes during football season...but I disagreed with you that any of them could even sniff the level of shutdown season posts.
Don’t take it personal bud.
So is your reply to me calling your screen name dumb.derp