Rob Dvoracek - new linebackers coach

[Yantzeee]

You shouldn't give the new coach, who has already turned around two college programs the benefit of the doubt? WTF?

“turned around” two college programs? Temple had two 9 wins seasons and an 8 win season in 3 of the last 4 years before Rhule.

Baylor hadn’t missed a bowl game in many years before Rhule got to Waco and that includes after the rape charges

The only programs Rhule really turned around were from his own first year programs. He will always be in the record books in Baylor or at least in our life time as the most losses in one season. And yes we had a year between that and the fall out

 

[dinglefritz]

I gave the last guy that turned 0-12 into 12-0 the benefit of the doubt...He hired a bad staff here as well!

He hired a bad O line coach and a really bad DC. 3/4 of his staff was reasonably good.

 

[Bigred_b1624]

None of these guys are unqualified. You’re not “qualified” to make that judgement. None of these guys are first time assistants. They’ve all worked with Rhule and know his systems.

We'll all see. None of us know. Blind faith isn't warranted thus far

 

[headcard]

“turned around” two college programs? Temple had two 9 wins seasons and an 8 win season in 3 of the last 4 years before Rhule.

Baylor hadn’t missed a bowl game in many years before Rhule got to Waco and that includes after the rape charges

The only programs Rhule really turned around were from his own first year programs. He will always be in the record books in Baylor or at least in our life time as the most losses in one season. And yes we had a year between that and the fall out

Holy shit. Talk about losing any credibility you had left.

 

[Bigred_b1624]

He hired a bad O line coach and a really bad DC. 3/4 of his staff was reasonably good.

And we don't know those hires by Rhule yet...

 

[dinglefritz]

da fuk does that mean?

Bo ended up at YSU and Frank at Ohio. Callahan went from an NFL OC/head coach back to a position coach. Riley became an analyst…..we paid them well but their careers went backwards

 

[Yantzeee]

I gave the last guy that turned 0-12 into 12-0 the benefit of the doubt...He hired a bad staff here as well!

And that was a very similar “turn around” right? O’Leary was 12-1 & 9-4 before he had the bad year that got him fired

 

[Bigred_b1624]

And that was a very similar “turn around” right? O’Leary was 12-1 & 9-4 before he had the bad year that got him fired

Exactly!

 

[Yantzeee]

Holy shit. Talk about losing any credibility you had left.

So what I said was false?

 

[Frozone]

FWIW, here’s a quote from Urban Meyer and what he learned about hiring staff during his time off between Florida and taking the Ohio State job:

“I learned what all great programs have in common,” Meyer said. “It doesn’t matter if they’re running the spread, the wishbone, or a pro set, or if they run a three-four defense, or what league they’re in. No, it’s the alignment of the staff. If everyone’s on the same page—if the CEO says this is how it’s done, and nine coaches believe it—you have a shot. If you’re not—if even one position group is off—you don’t, and you’re done.”

Don’t get me wrong: I wanted a splash hire, too—especially at DC. But if it doesn’t happen, it’s not going to change my optimism about Rhule.

 

[headcard]

We'll all see. None of us know. Blind faith isn't warranted thus far

It's not blind faith. This staff is already light years better than what Frost brought in, not sure how you can even make the comparison.

OC from an SEC school
QB Coach from the NFl that has been an OC in the SEC
DB coach from the NFL, who was also DB coach in the Big 12

Yes, there are some young coaches, but Rhule also has a heck of a track record of identifying young coaching talent. These guys had little or no experience when Rhule hired them.

Frank Okam. Now DL Coach for the Raiders
Elijah Robinson. Now DL coach at Texas A&M
Fran Brown. Now DB Coach at Georgia.
Frisman Jackson. Now WR Coach Pittsburg Steelers

 

[dinglefritz]

So what I said was false?

He won at F’n Temple and beat a pretty good PSU team. That’s pretty good. Make NO mistake though we didn’t hire him just because of the job he did at Temple. we hired him because he was able to fix the mess that Briles left at Baylor. He’s a good fit philosophically and he’s extremely well thought of by some very smart football people.

 

[headcard]

FWIW, here’s a quote from Urban Meyer and what he learned about hiring staff during his time off between Florida and taking the Ohio State job:

“I learned what all great programs have in common,” Meyer said. “It doesn’t matter if they’re running the spread, the wishbone, or a pro set, or if they run a three-four defense, or what league they’re in. No, it’s the alignment of the staff. If everyone’s on the same page—if the CEO says this is how it’s done, and nine coaches believe it—you have a shot. If you’re not—if even one position group is off—you don’t, and you’re done.”

Don’t get me wrong: I wanted a splash hire, too—especially at DC. But if it doesn’t happen, it’s not going to change my optimism about this hire.

But what the hell does that guy know, right?

 

[headcard]

So what I said was false?

You completely dismiss the shit-storm he inherited at Baylor, which is completely disingenuous. And act like he just did what Temple always did, when he actually took them to heights they hadn't been in 50+ years. You clearly have some sort of bizarre agenda here, but it isn't based in reality.

 

[Yantzeee]

He won at F’n Temple and beat a pretty good PSU team. That’s pretty good. Make NO mistake though we didn’t hire him just because of the job he did at Temple. we hired him because he was able to fix the mess that Briles left at Baylor. He’s a good fit philosophically and he’s extremely well thought of by some very smart football people.

He won at Temple? So did the dam two coaches who were before him at Temple? Addazio & Al Golden. That’s why those two got P5 jobs after they coached at Temple.

And if we are hanging our hat because he won in happy valley, Bret Bielema won their last year. Hell I think he’s won their a few times. Doesn’t mean I want him. A lot of coaches have won in happy valley

 

[oldjar07]

Are we outraged that Rhule is hiring a bunch of coaches he's worked with before or are we outraged Rhule is hiring a bunch of first time coaches?

Need to be certain what we are pissed at.

Nowhere did I say I was pissed at anything. And I'd rather have a lot of promising young guys instead of a bunch of old geezers like on Riley's staff. But the fact is the market value for first time coaches is low and there's no reason we need to be overpaying them.

 

[Bigred_b1624]

It's not blind faith. This staff is already light years better than what Frost brought in, not sure how you can even make the comparison.

OC from an SEC school
QB Coach from the NFl that has been an OC in the SEC
DB coach from the NFL, who was also DB coach in the Big 12

Yes, there are some young coaches, but Rhule also has a heck of a track record of identifying young coaching talent. These guys had little or no experience when Rhule hired them.

Frank Okam. Now DL Coach for the Raiders
Elijah Robinson. Now DL coach at Texas A&M
Fran Brown. Now DB Coach at Georgia.
Frisman Jackson. Now WR Coach Pittsburg Steelers

Oc is mediocre at best
Qb coach isn't confirmed yet

Most of the other hires are hopefully good, but questionable. Let's stop acting like it's a great staff already. I'm hopeful, but not automatically accepting.

 

[Yantzeee]

You completely dismiss the shit-storm he inherited at Baylor, which is completely disingenuous. And act like he just did what Temple always did, when he actually took them to heights they hadn't been in 50+ years. You clearly have some sort of bizarre agenda here, but it isn't based in reality.

I didn’t dismiss it. I noted Jim Grobe took Baylor bowling the year right after it all went down.

 

[Harry Caray]

Dam how bad do you think being a coach @ Nebraska is?

Being unemployed is a demotion to being a coach @ Nebraska?

No, I'm saying getting fired from the NFL and going to work at a lower level is not a promotion. They are not leaving for better jobs, they are coming here because they failed and got fired and need jobs.

It would be like getting fired by Apple for not producing results, and then going to work for Blackberry. That's not a promotion.

 

[Danimal4NU]

You know what Nick Saban has also done thru the years? Hired people he didn’t really know or previously worked with. Which is the whole point of what we are talking about. Geeze how many coordinators has Nick had at Bama?

Get a clue. You just proved my point and you didn’t realize it

Nicks not one for a wet blanket

Good HC's are good at networking and interviewing. They're able to find quality coaches that will fit their team. That's how they stay good over the long-term, need to be able to replace the guys that move-up the ladder, retire, or just need to be upgraded on.

 

[Dean Pope]

Riley didn't just hire his "friends". He brought some coaches from OSU, but also guys like Stewart, Hughes, Williams, and Davis. Just like you are advocating for here.

Looking back on it, the four outside initial hires and then the outside DC replacement really did Riley in. That Hughes was quite the coach and recruiter.

 

[leodisflowers]

At the end of the day none of us know. I will say that I am glad Rhule is paying attention to Nebraska kids and not just because they are Nebraska kids. For the first time in a long time there is a lot of talent coming out of Nebraska and I'm glad Rhule is making them a priority as it seems like 2024-2025 classes have a lot of talent. I also do like the business type approach we seem to be taking and not so much flash so far. Just get in good talent, develop the **** out of that talent, win some games and then go get better talent.

 

[RedCap]

Like or dislike Rhule's assistants, every head coach ought to be given the benefit of choosing his own assistants without interference. The head coach will live or die based on the results he gets with his staff so there will be full accountability for results. And if you pay a guy those many multi millions of dollars in salary you should either trust his judgment or then don't hire him in the first place.

Who on this message board is getting paid more than Rhule so they can legitimately question his judgment?

 

[WHCSC]

Who on this message board is getting paid more than Rhule so they can legitimately question his judgment?

Probably just that anal recruiter guy

 

[Matrix Husker]

Has he hired a single guy who wasn’t with him in Temple, Baylor, or Panthers?

Well, he might retain Raiola. But that remains to be seen, though. Also MJ would have probably been retained, but it's now out of the question.

 

[king_kong_]

are we really bringing another AAC staff in here at double the price?

 

[dinglefritz]

are we really bringing another AAC staff in here at double the price?

DO NOT CARE if he’s hiring an assistant from a high school or JUCO. There’s good assistant coaches to be found at virtually level.

 

[king_kong_]

DO NOT CARE if he’s hiring an assistant from a high school or JUCO. There’s good assistant coaches to be found at virtually level.

okay but didn't we just do this exact same thing & it didn't work?

like, literally the exact same thing

 

[Matrix Husker]

Looking back on it, the four outside initial hires and then the outside DC replacement really did Riley in. That Hughes was quite the coach and recruiter.

True. Trent Bray is doing really well at OSU. Would have made a good LB coach, or a Mike Ekeler.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

okay but didn't we just do this exact same thing & it didn't work?

like, literally the exact same thing

Not exactly the same. There is a difference from bringing an entire staff from the team you were just coaching and brining in guys you have coached with before that where their last job was not with you.

 

[CameronKrazie86]

Listen, I know Nebraska's gotten burned with a run of shit head coaches but let's give Rhule the benefit of the doubt for at least a season before jumping over staff hires. He's shown the ability to find some pretty good relatively 'unknown' coaches in the past. If they teach how he wants it done, then I don't care about inexperience. Everyone starts somewhere and usually the ones with most 'to prove' are the ones that end up excelling because they'll outwork everyone else to prove themselves.

 

[king_kong_]

Listen, I know Nebraska's gotten burned with a run of shit head coaches but let's give Rhule the benefit of the doubt for at least a season before jumping over staff hires. He's shown the ability to find some pretty good relatively 'unknown' coaches in the past. If they teach how he wants it done, then I don't care about inexperience. Everyone starts somewhere and usually the ones with most 'to prove' are the ones that end up excelling because they'll outwork everyone else to prove themselves.

you would've love all the "WE NEED PROVEN COACHES" chatter on this board for the last 3 months

alas, we are getting unknowns - again

and people are having to backtrack on their hard & fast stances - again

 

[dinglefritz]

okay but didn't we just do this exact same thing & it didn't work?

like, literally the exact same thing

None of these guys were the head coach’s best man. Every F’g head coach in the country hires guys he thinks he can work with. Go reread the post with the quote from Urban. Rhule is a control freak. It wouldn’t work to hire random assistants from other programs that have their own way of doing things.

 

[dinglefritz]

True. Trent Bray is doing really well at OSU. Would have made a good LB coach, or a Mike Ekeler.

DC now.

 

[king_kong_]

None of these guys were the head coach’s best man. Every F’g head coach in the country hires guys he thinks he can work with. Go reread the post with the quote from Urban. Rhule is a control freak. It wouldn’t work to hire random assistants from other programs that have their own way of doing things.

I would prefer we don't take the advice of a disgraced person who was last seen being literally laughed out of his own building

urban is a loser

I am fine putting 100% of any failures, should there be any and I very much hope there aren't, directly on Rhule instead of scapegoating assistants

wisconsin meanwhile seems intent on hiring the best they can get regardless of their head coach's experience with them

 

[Husker.Wed.]

One of the only nice thing of being an old guy is I have learned to not stress out over multiple permutations of things that haven't happened yet. Fifty percent of the bad things I think are going to happen do, and fifty percent of the bad things I think are going to happen don't. Which means if I had worried about that 50% in the past, it would have been worrying about nothing, which isn't healthy.

Despite being burned by Callahan, Riley and Frost, I'm willing to be guardedly optimistic Rhule knows what he is doing and the staff will get the job done. As a matter of fact, I just made hotel reservations in Minneapolis because I am optimistic Ruhle will win his first game with his young "inexperienced" assistants.

 

[dinglefritz]

One of the only nice thing of being an old guy is I have learned to not stress out over multiple permutations of things that haven't happened yet. Fifty percent of the bad things I think are going to happen do, and fifty percent of the bad things I think are going to happen don't. Which means if I had worried about that 50% in the past, it was worrying about nothing, which isn't healthy.

Despite being burned by Callahan, Riley and Frost, I'm willing to be guardedly optimistic Rhule knows what he is doing and the staff will get the job done. As a matter of fact, I just made hotel reservations in Minneapolis because I am optimistic Ruhle will win his first game with his young "inexperienced" assistants.

GPOAT

 

[Matrix Husker]

DC now.

Oops! You're right. Forgot about that. Thanks.

 

[dand84]

Nebraska fan traumatized from years of coaching failure and worried they are seeing the same thing again.

 

[cvogele29]

There were some bad dudes on that ASU defense.

Especially Derrick Rogers