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OT- DC commercial plane and Blackhawk collide

Sounds like it could be DEI related
It is a little. They won't feel vacancies because qualified applicants aren't meeting certain "qualifications" so they are short staffed. With this, it was all in control of the Blackhawk pilot in not going above the ceiling. If they would have followed that, this is just another in many close calls because for some reason we allow military training in airspace that belongs to commercial jets.
 
Helicopters have a 200 foot ceiling in this airspace. Pilot was at 350. They were ascending while commercial jet was descending to land.
He was instructed to fly “behind” a plane and might have confused the instructions with the departing plane. 😕
 
So you really believe diversity efforts had anything to do with this plane crash? Like seriously? Because it sounds like you do. That is absolutley crazy.
Don’t know. My brother-in-law would tell you that new hires were not always the best hires. The controllers assigned to Reagan should be some of the best. Staffing has been a problem.
 
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Don’t know. My brother-in-law would tell you that new hires were not always the best hires. The controllers assigned to Reagan should be some of the best. Staffing has been a problem.
They said there was only 1 controller in charge of the planes and Choppers instead of the normal 2. So short staffed.
 
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I don't think anyone should blame the helicopter pilot without knowing the facts. But how is that any more irresponsible than disparaging "a guy flying basically an ancient commuter plane for an AA subcontractor" - without any facts whatsoever to suggest that the airline pilot was in error?

Or are people only allowed to wildly speculate about the cause of the crash if they happen to have a relative who's an air traffic controller?
I didn’t wildly speculate on the cause of the crash. I’ve watched several hours of local coverage on DC stations starting minutes after the crash. Everybody is searching for and want answers. There’s more to than just “the chopper pilot was too high”.
 
She. Not that it matters but I thought I heard copter pilot was a she
Haven’t heard that and the sex of the pilot really doesn’t matter. The onboard pilot had at least 6 years of experience according to TV reports.
 
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I didn’t wildly speculate on the cause of the crash. I’ve watched several hours of local coverage on DC stations starting minutes after the crash. Everybody is searching for and want answers. There’s more to than just “the chopper pilot was too high”.
So what evidence do you have that the airline pilot or the age of the plane had anything to do with crash?

If you don’t want to be accused of wild speculation, stop pulling stuff like that straight out of your ass.
 
Yeah it's not like it was rookies. Gonna probably turn out to unfortunately being the perfect storm or rolling the dice finally caught up. Combination of things
 
I don't think anyone should blame the helicopter pilot without knowing the facts. But how is that any more irresponsible than disparaging "a guy flying basically an ancient commuter plane for an AA subcontractor" - without any facts whatsoever to suggest that the airline pilot was in error?

Or are people only allowed to wildly speculate about the cause of the crash if they happen to have a relative who's an air traffic controller?
You think he actually has a relative who is an air traffic controller? Lol. This guy magically has a friend or relative for any story he needs to make up.
 
Pretty sure that they are/were going to release names after all possible bodies recovered. But gotta ways to go.
 
You think he actually has a relative who is an air traffic controller? Lol. This guy magically has a friend or relative for any story he needs to make up.
I don’t know. But my brother-in-law practiced medicine for 40+ years, and I never thought it qualified me to deliver babies or diagnose diseases.
 
So what evidence do you have that the airline pilot or the age of the plane had anything to do with crash?

If you don’t want to be accused of wild speculation, stop pulling stuff like that straight out of your ass.
Another brother-in-law has been a Delta pilot for over 20 years. They don’t put the A team on those smaller jets. Generally they’re younger more inexperienced pilots. He started flying cargo planes then these kind of smalker passenger planes before getting to carry more passengers. The plane itself is old but airworthy but might lack technology available in bigger planes.
 
Another brother-in-law has been a Delta pilot for over 20 years. They don’t put the A team on those smaller jets. Generally they’re younger more inexperienced pilots. He started flying cargo planes then these kind of smalker passenger planes before getting to carry more passengers. The plane itself is old but airworthy but might lack technology available in bigger planes.
Again with the brothers-in-law?

Good Lord.
 
Another brother-in-law has been a Delta pilot for over 20 years. They don’t put the A team on those smaller jets. Generally they’re younger more inexperienced pilots. He started flying cargo planes then these kind of smalker passenger planes before getting to carry more passengers. The plane itself is old but airworthy but might lack technology available in bigger planes.
Yeah the pilots cut their teeth on CRJ types and move up with seniority and retraining
 
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Again with the brothers-in-law?

Good Lord.
Believe what you want. I had 4 sisters. 2 brothers. 5 of us left. All college grads. 1 RN, 2 lawyers, 1 science teacher, myself and a business grad. We didn’t marry deadbeats. You can call me Dr if you want.
 
Believe what you want. I had 4 sisters. 2 brothers. 5 of us left. All college grads. 1 RN, 2 lawyers, 1 science teacher, myself and a business grad. We didn’t marry deadbeats. You can call me Dr if you want.
I didn’t say I don’t believe you. But I don’t give a shit if your uncles were the Wright Brothers - doesn’t mean you know any more about what caused the crash than anyone else here.
 
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I didn’t say I don’t believe you. But I don’t give a shit if your uncles were the Wright Brothers - doesn’t mean you know any more about what caused the crash than anyone else here.
I have shared insight from an air traffic control supervisor and a commercial pilot. Stay classy. There are clearly some questions about instructions given by the controller and their timeliness. The “fly behind”instruction is normally used in daylight hours.
 
New report. DCA jet and chopper had a near miss on Tuesday. I’m telling you, I’ve been told this happens more than you know and staffing is an issue. It’s an extremely high stress job that takes extremely competent people at the screens.
 
New report. DCA jet and chopper had a near miss on Tuesday. I’m telling you, I’ve been told this happens more than you know and staffing is an issue. It’s an extremely high stress job that takes extremely competent people at the screens.
maybe the choppers need to pay attention to the ceiling level. If that chopper stays at the level its likely another near miss . I agree it’s a problem that has to be fixed. And sometimes it takes a tragic accident unfortunately.
 
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maybe the choppers need to pay attention to the ceiling level. If that chopper stays at the level its likely another near miss . I agree it’s a problem that has to be fixed. And sometimes it takes a tragic accident unfortunately.
I think the question is whether the controller’s instruction to “fly behind” the plane was misinterpreted to fly behind the departing flight. In that case he maybe might have elevated to avoid the departing plane’s flight path. According to one pilot on TV, the controller instructions were questionable.
 
He was instructed to fly “behind” a plane and might have confused the instructions with the departing plane. 😕
Doesn't give them (2 of the crew were female) permission to breach the ceiling in Class B airspace. They were almost double AGL they are allowed when impact was made. Right by a runway. I am shocked they are allowed to go over 50 feet honestly. Class A is anything above 18,000 feet. Class B are major airports that look like an upside down wedding cake where the airport claims airspace in layers. Class C are regional like Eppley. I live in the outskirts of that airspace and if I want to fly my drone I need real time LAANC authorization on the Autopylot app. If I set the radius to 6 blocks out or more, I cannot go above 200 feet. If I stay under I can go up to 400. That Blackhawk is responsible for the deaths of those on that plane.
 
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I didn’t wildly speculate on the cause of the crash. I’ve watched several hours of local coverage on DC stations starting minutes after the crash. Everybody is searching for and want answers. There’s more to than just “the chopper pilot was too high”.
There is more. One more. They are supposed to hug the east side of the river and they were right smack dab in the middle of it. By a major international airport that is Class B airspace.

Ceiling height for helicopters are 200 AGL. They crashed into the commercial jet, that has serious limitations at taking evasive action, especially while descending and landing, at 350 AGL. I don't care if they're military, they do not have the authority to not follow FAA guidelines when in controlled airspace. That airspace BELONGED to that commercial jet. So here is my question. Now that you know the ceiling is 200 feet AGL, what do you think happens if they follow that regulation?
 
There is more. One more. They are supposed to hug the east side of the river and they were right smack dab in the middle of it. By a major international airport that is Class B airspace.

Ceiling height for helicopters are 200 AGL. They crashed into the commercial jet, that has serious limitations at taking evasive action, especially while descending and landing, at 350 AGL. I don't care if they're military, they do not have the authority to not follow FAA guidelines when in controlled airspace. That airspace BELONGED to that commercial jet. So here is my question. Now that you know the ceiling is 200 feet AGL, what do you think happens if they follow that regulation?

What is AGL?
 
Doesn't give them (2 of the crew were female) permission to breach the ceiling in Class B airspace. They were almost double AGL they are allowed when impact was made. Right by a runway. I am shocked they are allowed to go over 50 feet honestly. Class A is anything above 18,000 feet. Class B are major airports that look like an upside down wedding cake where the airport claims airspace in layers. Class C are regional like Eppley. I live in the outskirts of that airspace and if I want to fly my drone I need real time LAANC authorization on the Autopylot app. If I set the radius to 6 blocks out or more, I cannot go above 200 feet. If I stay under I can go up to 400. That Blackhawk is responsible for the deaths of those on that plane.
It appears that way but the instructions from the controller were problematic as well. The instruction to “fly behind” at night with two planes in the immediate area wasn’t good. Wouldn’t the controller have their (the chopper) elevation.? The military chopper I saw on Tuesday in that exact area couldn’t have been more than 200’ over the river. It’s been determined that one controller was manning 2 positions at the time of the crash. I’m not going to comment on their sexes because the photo I saw pictures of one left some question.
 
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There is more. One more. They are supposed to hug the east side of the river and they were right smack dab in the middle of it. By a major international airport that is Class B airspace.

Ceiling height for helicopters are 200 AGL. They crashed into the commercial jet, that has serious limitations at taking evasive action, especially while descending and landing, at 350 AGL. I don't care if they're military, they do not have the authority to not follow FAA guidelines when in controlled airspace. That airspace BELONGED to that commercial jet. So here is my question. Now that you know the ceiling is 200 feet AGL, what do you think happens if they follow that regulation?
The chopper I saw Tuesday was definitely hugging the east shore.
 
Some of you need to stop listening to the radio and watching podcasts. The number of DEI posts lately is absolutely laughable. If you're good at something nobody is going to replace you with a "DEI hire." If you're making DEI excuses you might want to reevaluate just how valuable your "skills" are.
 
Some of you need to stop listening to the radio and watching podcasts. The number of DEI posts lately is absolutely laughable. If you're good at something nobody is going to replace you with a "DEI hire." If you're making DEI excuses you might want to reevaluate just how valuable your "skills" are.

That's not how it works. Quotas make what you're claiming mathematically impossible.

That said, I do agree with you that it's highly likely being blown out of proportion.
 
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