TO isn't very good at hiding his bitterness. Didn't mention HCMR at all, much less say anything good or supportive about him. When asked about the team, makes a couple lukewarm statements and then spends more time basically saying Bo and Frank were screwed, due mostly to fan expectations.
I've decided I don't like TO anymore. He shares the same us vs them mentality as Bo. I am so glad he no longer has any influence on the program.
I agree ... my view of TO has diminished in recent years. I don't think its an "us vs. them" as much as its an inability to face that fact that he, while a GREAT coach, he was only a mediocre administrator. (A true statement for his political career too.) He did not do well making coaching picks. Loyalty and years of service took precedence over who was the best guy to lead the team. That is really true with the Solich pick vs. alternative plans that were being considered at that time. But whatever the case, he simply will never admit to making any mistake with either the Solich or Pelini pick. I had come to appreciate Devaney more as look back at history. What he did was really incredible. Taking a consistently losing team and transforming them almost immediately, and getting to the NC game in less than 10 years. That was special.TO isn't very good at hiding his bitterness. Didn't mention HCMR at all, much less say anything good or supportive about him. When asked about the team, makes a couple lukewarm statements and then spends more time basically saying Bo and Frank were screwed, due mostly to fan expectations.
I've decided I don't like TO anymore. He shares the same us vs them mentality as Bo. I am so glad he no longer has any influence on the program.
lets leave the TO bashing out of this
He did his best to help the program after he retired and made in his opinion what was the best decision to him at the time
the results were neither glorious nor a complete disaster but rather somewhere in between, he now has less influence in the major decisions regarding the program which I believe is good.
He is not actively trashing the program nor is he advocating as much as he could which is understandable.
Lets not vilify the guy
TO isn't very good at hiding his bitterness. Didn't mention HCMR at all, much less say anything good or supportive about him. When asked about the team, makes a couple lukewarm statements and then spends more time basically saying Bo and Frank were screwed, due mostly to fan expectations.
I've decided I don't like TO anymore. He shares the same us vs them mentality as Bo. I am so glad he no longer has any influence on the program.
Why would it be irresponsible of Osborne to comment on Riley? I know he doesn't have to if he chooses not to, but I don't get how he would be irresponsible if he did comment.Osborne isn't the Pope, Mike Riley doesn't need his blessing. Tom Osborne is no longer part of management of the NU athletic department, and it would be irresponsible to publicly comment on Riley. Seriously, why should Osborne comment on Riley? He didn't hire him, Eichorst did.
Osborne isn't the Pope, Mike Riley doesn't need his blessing. Tom Osborne is no longer part of management of the NU athletic department, and it would be irresponsible to publicly comment on Riley. Seriously, why should Osborne comment on Riley? He didn't hire him, Eichorst did.
lets leave the TO bashing out of this
He did his best to help the program after he retired and made in his opinion what were the best decisions to him at the time
the results were neither glorious nor a complete disaster but rather somewhere in between, he now has less influence in the major decisions regarding the program which I believe is good.
He is not actively trashing the program nor is he advocating as much as he could which is understandable.
Lets not vilify the guy
Interesting how he was applauded and welcomed back after Peadeyshine got the boot in the ass & made a hire most were thrilled with....and has gone from that, to where lots of people no longer like him. He probably should have taken that Colorado job back in the day and left some of you losers in the rearview. NU was lucky to have him, and it isn't his job to publicly back MR now. Bo was his choice, maybe even a friend, and he hated to see his friend get fired. So you'll have to excuse him if he doesn't glow about his replacement.
Tom Osborne is no longer part of management of the NU athletic department, and it would be irresponsible to publicly comment on Riley.
God, I can't believe how ****ing entitled and stupid some people in our fan base are.
i liked you back when you liked me, but then you changed, and you didn't like me anymore, so now, i don't like you either
did i get this right?
No, you didn't. I just don't like people that blame me for things I didn't do.
Tom never knew me, so I never thought of him liking me. The tie that held us together was a common interest in the success of the Nebraska football team. Now that he has let go of that, the tie isn't really there anymore. And if he's going to be too lazy to differentiate and blame me for his bitterness, then I'm moving on.
" the tie that held YOU AND TOM together?"No, you didn't. I just don't like people that blame me for things I didn't do.
Tom never knew me, so I never thought of him liking me. The tie that held us together was a common interest in the success of the Nebraska football team. Now that he has let go of that, the tie isn't really there anymore. And if he's going to be too lazy to differentiate and blame me for his bitterness, then I'm moving on.
Coach Osborne is a brilliant man. Doesn't take a mathematician to understand that a 70% winning percentage is much better than a 53% winning percentage. Yet, Huskers fans think the football program is headed in the "right" direction.He was asked about NU, and Mike Riley is the head coach of NU. Bo isn't, Frank isn't, Mike is.
@HuskerAlum92 I've mentioned his bitterness for years.
Coach Osborne is a brilliant man. Doesn't take a mathematician to understand that a 70% winning percentage is much better than a 53% winning percentage. Yet, Huskers fans think the football program is headed in the "right" direction.
This is a bad argument. Unless you believe all programs are equal in terms of resources. They aren't. Pope Osborne is a brilliant man...except when it comes to hand picking coaches.
Why is it for you, Mr. Baseball fan, a sport that heavily relies on playing the percentages, so hard for you to mentally process the statistical fact that Coach Riley has a 53 percent winning percentage as a head coach? Why, with as long as he coaches, would you believe that would change? Resources......riiiiiiggggghhhhtttt.
This is so flawed. So do you believe Bo would have won 70% of his games at Oregon State or Vandy. Or that MR would have still only won 53% at USC or Texas?
Like in your baseball analogy would you rather hit at Coors field or at PETCO?
I don't think you can extrapolate that kind of thinking from place to place.. it's the same with players.. sometimes you have to be at the right place, at the right time.Why is it for you, Mr. Baseball fan, a sport that heavily relies on playing the percentages, so hard for you to mentally process the statistical fact that Coach Riley has a 53 percent winning percentage as a head coach? Why, with as long as he coaches, would you believe that would change? Resources......riiiiiiggggghhhhtttt.
This is a bad argument. Unless you believe all programs are equal in terms of resources. They aren't. Pope Osborne is a brilliant man...except when it comes to hand picking coaches.
Why is it for you, Mr. Baseball fan, a sport that heavily relies on playing the percentages, so hard for you to mentally process the statistical fact that Coach Riley has a 53 percent winning percentage as a head coach? Why, with as long as he has coached, would you believe that would change? Resources......riiiiiiggggghhhhtttt.
His coaches werent terrible with the comparison of Cally. I mean as TO, you hire a guy in Frank who...yes dropped off quite a bit, but still won a large percentage of games and then he gets fired for Cally who had two losing seasons so we go crawling to Tom to resurrect us. He fires Cally and hires Bo who also, while never great still won a large portion of his games and then gets fired. Frank goes to Ohio and turns them into a solid team from nothing. Dont you think you would be a little ticked, too? (Notice I did not mention Riley as he is only 3 games in and could turn out to be decent, though having a rocky start)
I agree ... He did not do well making coaching picks. Loyalty and years of service took precedence over who was the best guy to lead the team. That is really true with the Solich pick vs. alternative plans that were being considered at that time.
Yes, the statistics are flawed. Good Lord. I'm done wasting energy on posters like yourself that don't understand simple math.
No. It is not accurate that every one knew Frank would take over. It may be true that people knew that is what TO wanted and positioned Frank to be "next in line", but the decision was Byrne's to make. And there was a "group of influential supporters" that was very interested in a guy that was just starting to turn one of the worst teams in the Big 10 around and who happened to have an escape clause in his contract with Wisconsin for Nebraska. And Byrne was well connected with this group. And TO knew that ... which is why TO waited to announce his retirement (unbeknownst to Byrne) when Byrne was away, and Byrne finds out from the media while walking off a plane and looking dumbfounded upon learning about it. And that is why TO announced with Frank by his side to make the decision look like it had already been made. And one wonders where Nebraska football would be today, if Byrne had been allowed to make that next pick ....To be fair it was pretty much well known for years that Frank would take over for TO. I can't prove this, but IMHO, the overwhelming amount of fans out there were perfectly willing to accept that fact.
Did TO circumvent the AD Bill Byrne, causing Frank to get the job without serious consideration to anyone else (rumors I've always heard that Byrne wanted Mack Brown who was at UNMC at the time)? Yep, TO did. IMHO, had it been more well known in 1997 that the AD wanted to consider looking at other candidates, the fan base as a whole would have raised a s#*%$torm, and Byrne would have been the one facing it. Byrne could have told us he had a crystal ball in 1997, and it told him to hire Nick Saban from Michigan State. He would have had a mob at his home calling for his head. Devaney picked TO. TO was going to pick his. That is the Nebraska way. That's the way we all thought at the time.
Almost everyone in the 90s just assumed the torch would be handed to Frank, then some day it'd be handed to Gill. The fans wanted it that way, and 18 years later to assume that there could have been any serious chance Frank didn't get the job is disregrading how things were.
Nebraska was rolling when TO retired and we all assumed it would just continue. It may have, but too many fumbles in Austin Texas in 1999 cost Frank probably his best shot at a MNC (even more IMO than 2001). Oh how things could have been different for Frank had that game gone our way.