While that can be argued (and I agree with the Frank deal having come of NC), from his perspective and from mine as well, Cally was the worst coach out of those 3(better recruiter maybe) but bad coach IMO.
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While that can be argued (and I agree with the Frank deal having come of NC), from his perspective and from mine as well, Cally was the worst coach out of those 3(better recruiter maybe) but bad coach IMO.
It wouldn't be irresponsible...it would be arrogant. Tom doesn't comment out of humility because he knows from being there that outside observations are uninformed. That's the way he is.
Agreed. But that doesn't make Osborne's hires any better. At the end of the day his hires could not get it done at NU.
And my point is, there would have been near rioting had Frank not got the job. So it doesn't matter who your mystery guy was, the masses got what the masses wanted. When push came to shove, Frank got the job.
The only way in hell Frank doesn't get the job is if TO publicly comes out and says, "Don'tgive Frank's the job."
TO had the juice, and Byrne could have tried to used his power as AD to say, "Uh no, that's my call." But he didn't. And had he tried, all hell would have started.
Had it ever been known that Byrne was seriously looking at someone outside the current staff in route to winning 3 of 4 national championships, there would have been hell to pay, and Byrne would have been shown the door.
The is absolutely NO WAY EVER that anyone besides Frank gets that job. End of story. There is no way TO wouldn't get his way. He knew it, and the masses would have supported him and his decision, and Byrne would have been ran out of town. This is one time the masses would rule.
53% win percentage means squat, as does 70%. See Nick Saban, Brady Hoke prior to taking over LSU and UM. Throw in Pete Carroll and Rich Rod too.
Peelini is at YSU for a reason, 70% win percentage and all.
Peelini is at YSU for a reason, 70% win percentage and all.
This makes it sound so sinister. What we had going at that point was wonderful, unprecedented, awesome. Why would anyone including Bill Byrne want to interupt that with an outsider? It doesn't make any sense.
Which is exactly why the masses would have gone apes#&t nuts, probably me and others on this board.
In hindsight, Byrne might have been right, but AT THE TIME there is no way it happens. TO wouldn't have had to say a thing. The Regents, Chancellor, and President all would have heard it.
Bring in an outsider instead of someone who was on the staff that went 60-3 over 5 years? Good luck selling that in 1997.
Don't even bother with stretch until he addresses coaches named above, those who have been at multiple places with varying degrees of success. Until he addresses this, all he is doing is trying to get our goats.
Wrong, wrong. Nebraska has five national championships IN SPITE OF Tom Osborne. Mike Riley would have won more if he'd been at Nebraska the whole time. It's all those crappy schools with no resources that's been at that's been holding him back! Just you see! Eichorst knows what he's doing! Barry Alvarez handpicked him for us!
With the way some people cried when Bo got fired, you may be right that there would have been public outcry then. But a few people at that time had the foresight to see the problem TO was creating by promoting from within: no head coaching experience by any assistant, and the fact that among the assistant coaches of that time several did not get along. Thus the idea of bringing in a former Nebraska player and successful head coach and would be able to maintain much of the key staff and rise above the dislikes - not that unreasonable at all. And yes, that was something Byrne was thinking about, and yes, it was something TO knew Byrne was thinking about. Which is why is was handled the way it was. Go back and look at the reporting of the events as they unfolded on the unfortunate day (with Byrne being on a plane and unaware of the announcement, the then UNL Chancellor totally unaware, etc.), and you can see that the announcement was carefully orchestrated to bypass all those potential blocks.
Hey troll! why don't you tell us how other coaches managed to miraculously turn things around when they went elsewhere? Your shtick is so disappointing... You have no idea how stupid you really look. Or maybe it isn't how you look, but just how you are?
Ahhhh....the almighty HTO swooping in to offer his insight and infallible knowledge.
You just don't get it, do you Timmy? Bo wanted to be at YSU. He had other opportunities at D1 programs. There is a difference between wanted to be and had to be.
Enlighten us. Who offered him a job besides YSU? Who said, "It's yours. Just sign on the dotted line."
Bunch of tough guys here who think just because they are loudmouths on a message board they can tug on Superman's cape...
This has to be the most pathetic thread to ever appear on this board. One wonders why garbage like this is allowed to exist here.
...and this is all because he didn't follow the tough guys script. It's amazing what happens here when HO tough guy narrative isn't followed to a T.
This has to be the most pathetic thread to ever appear on this board. One wonders why garbage like this is allowed to exist here.
...and this is all because he didn't follow the tough guys script. It's amazing what happens here when HO tough guy narrative isn't followed to a T.
Keep yapping, you and your gang of recycled posters aren't fooling anyone.
Lmao at other opportunities, and you have the guts to say I don't get it. Oh my...
Three game sample size,
Other opportunities lol not as a HC.
Notice folks, recycled boy didn't say jack squat abouy Saban, Hoke, Carroll and Rodriguez. Too freaking easy.
Look I don't feel like any of his post-coaching career has tarnished his legacy one bit. I'm not sure firing Frank was a good idea, but it happened and we went forward. He didn't like that, but I'm sure looking back he may admit that things could've been handled differently by himself and others. Same with the Bo situation.
I think TO's issue with Bo being gone is that he had walked in those shoes before. He had taken that kind of heat. The difference is that he could handle it; he was above the kind of behavior Bo displayed. Bo could not, and if you ask Tom, I bet he would admit that Bo's behavior was unacceptable for the Head Coach of any athletic team of the University of Nebraska. He's just unhappy that it didn't work out and so am I.
I think TO's issue with Bo being gone is that he had walked in those shoes before. He had taken that kind of heat. The difference is that he could handle it; he was above the kind of behavior Bo displayed. Bo could not, and if you ask Tom, I bet he would admit that Bo's behavior was unacceptable for the Head Coach of any athletic team of the University of Nebraska. He's just unhappy that it didn't work out and so am I.
Tom Osborne is "brilliant" for hiring a coach who won under .500 games at Colorado State. Ahhh, but that doesn't fit into their narrative. Can't have it both ways folks!
Miles was probably the best we were going to do. You try hiring a basketball coach for Nebraska. Anyone with a proven resume would have looked at the caller ID and laughed, then they would have ignored it. It would be akin to Kansas needing a football coach, your choices are reeeally limited.
I remember the events very well. It was very sneaky. I thought it was very odd that the guy who allegedly was supposed to be involved in this wasnt (Byrne). Deep down we all knew what happened, but in everyone's mind Frank was supposed to be the next coach.
I said TO circumvented Byrne. No argument. Case closed. My point is that even if it wasn't handled that way, I see no way those events would ever have been stopped. Why? Because the masses wanted Frank. TO knew the masses were on his side.
Had TO not done what he did, instead of having a victory without firing a shot, he still would get his way, it just would have been "bloodier," and would have resulted in Byrne leaving sooner than he did.
Byrne could have tired to stop it, but he didnt. Just like Byrne could have tried to hire someone else, but once the rumors got out about other candidates, it would have stopped due to pressure from all sides.
Again, in hindsight, I wish Byrne had been able to make his choice, because 5 seasons after a national championship we were a .500 team. But had you asked me and every die hard fan I knew in 1997, BEFORE Frank was announced, we all knew the next coach was Frank. It was wanted and expected, and the thought of someone else getting the job so remote NO ONE even considered it.
If you could go back in time, you'd have about as good of chance convincing people Frank shouldn't be the head coach, as you would convincing people in Salem there is no such thing as witches.
So you can tell me that Byrne wanted this or that, but I'm telling you, Byrne would have been run out of town had he tried, with or without TO's involvment.
Doc Sadler went .727 at UTEP...yet Tom fired him! I'm quite certain we could have found a coach that went over .500 at his previous school! Was brilliant Tom able to put Miles record at CSU in context? Maybe!
Well I will say it again, you're talking about Nebraska basketball, who has never won a single NCAA tourney game and quite frankly has sucked ass forever. Miles has actually done a decent job, and I think will do good things here, so I am not sure why you are already declaring him a failure. I think he will end up being considered a success, but if I'm wrong it will be par for the course for Nebraska basketball and I won't be one bit surprised.
Yeah..but our previous coach won .727 of his games at UTEP.....yet Osborne hires a guy who went .447 at Colorado State? What the frick was he thinking? Top notch facilities...1.5 Million a year...im certain we could have done better than a coach with a .447 record at his previous school based on the 1.5 million alone!
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Well, the .727 proves that a higher winning percentage at one place doesn't automatically translate to another school s my take. I will also say again, you're already declaring him a failure, which is premature on your part.
Bo's ass should have hit the bricks in 13' after he dared the A.D to fire him. Tom stepped in with some buddies in high places and got him another year he didn't deserve.
Well he must be a crappy coach based on his record at CSU....or so that's what we are told in regards to Riley. But brilliant Tom hired him anyways!
Other opportunities where? and doing what?
Head shoeshiner at OU?
Being a college football HC is pretty simple, you do well you move up. You do terrible(unless you're Lane Kiffin) and you end up at YSU. He's there because he belongs there, I know it's hard for the Peeweenie cheerleaders to comprehend, but he wasn't good and he isn't at YSU because he was persecuted and the world hates him for being great. He's there because he sucks complete A$$ as a HC and couldn't even get a gig in the MAC.
Nebraska Basketball is the worst program in major college basketball, while Nebraska Football is a blue-blood program. There is no comparison. Do you think it would go over well if KU basketball hired a coach from the Pac-12 who had a .500 winning percentage and was coming off a losing season? Also, I'm pretty sure Miles didn't have a losing season right before TO hired him. He was a young coach whose teams improved significantly every year, while Riley seemed past his prime as his teams had regressed in the last five years. That said, the jury is still out on Miles - his winning % here is still lower than his career winning %.
I'll add that a lot of Penn State fans thought that James Franklin would come in and dominate with PSU's resources, compared to Vandy's. Same for Charlie Strong at Texas. Better resources doesn't automatically mean more wins.
Also, 99% of Husker fans, including most of the current Bo bashers, were practically begging TO to hire Bo in 2007. He gave us what we asked for. Hindsight is 20/20.
It is hard to put myself in a guy's shoes who at one time worked for our program for no salary as long as he ate at the training table, then helped Devaney do what he did, then spent his entire adult life working 80 hour weeks to keep the program successful. I can only speak for myself. When I retire in a few years with 38 years in, it will be the younger peoples' show. If anyone asks, I'll have nothing but sunshine and lollipops to say about the place. But yeah, the way he comes across anymore has an edge of bitterness IMHO.
So Riley would have been a good hire two years ago? Do you think he forgot how to coach the past two years? Anyways...my point wasn't to bash Miles. I like him. More so to scoff and laugh at those who think winning percentage is the end all be all. Just about everyone agrees Miles did a damn good job at CSU and he finished with a record under .500.
Tom Osborne has done more for Nebraska football than any person ever and he has my respect. Just because he could not replace himself does not mean he failed. I would love to see if Urban Meyer could find his replacement. The firing of Frank Solich was not justified and Nebraska would be much better if he would have stayed.
I think Mike Riley will be a very good head coach. It's time we put the focus on supporting him and the program.
I think Mike Riley will be a very good head coach. It's time we put the focus on supporting him and the program.
Well, well, well, Timmy did I strike a nerve or what? As usual you resort to name calling. My guess is you were the playground bully and then the guy that liked to snap his teammates asses in the locker room with his wet towel because it made you feel good. I can tell you where I wasn't a few hours ago. I wasn't compulsively hitting the refresh button on my Husker Board posts waiting and hoping for someone to reply so I could attack them.
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