Frank was running the premier program at the time straight in the dirt. Should have lost his job the year he went 7-7.
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Frank was running the premier program at the time straight in the dirt. Should have lost his job the year he went 7-7.
You also need to look where CSU was when Miles left. He improved them every year. His recruiting and development helped CSU reach the tourney which was impressive.
As far as Saban goes, he did the same at Toledo and MSU. He improved them every year and left them at a high point. He didn't leave after a losing season. Riley left OSU on a down turn. Coaches usually aren't hired in that manner. If he would have been hired, when Bo was hired in 2007, it would have made more sense because OSU was much better. It's ironic we have fired two 9 plus win coaches and hired two coaches coming off losing seasons.
He played for the national title the year before and won 9 games in 2003. He had hired a very solid coaching that year and should be given more time. He has done better than anyone ever at Ohio. If it's tough to win at Oregon state, Ohio is not ant easier.
I guess it hard to forget the great Callahan era.
Interestingly Frank's refusal to address some issues involving Bo's and Carl's behavior on and off the field were one part of the equation for Frank getting fired. Carl was totally out of control. In addition Frank's recruiting efforts were falling woefully short those last two years and as a former recruiting coordinator Pedey knew where it was leading. You don't tell your AD to go F himself when he expresses concerns about issues with the program and expect that there won't be consequences. Of note is that one of Tom's MOST trusted assistants warned Tom not to hire Bo. I'll let you guess who that was. Tom disappointed me tremendously by stubbornly defending his last hire to the bitter end.
I respectfully disagree with the people who say the fan base would have been outraged if Solich had not been selected to succeed TO. Maybe some major boosters, regents, administrators, etc., would have been upset, but I think most NU fans felt Frank was going to be a decidedly mediocre head coach. People weren't terribly vocal about it, because I think most fans respected Frank and expected that to be the succession plan. But expecting it and liking it are two different things.
Enough of this.. Bo kept us afloat for 7 years and almost won 2 conf titles, appearing in 3.
Fans are mad at TO cause he's right about them and you're all hypocrites because you expected Bo to turn it around. Well 1-2 is a horrible start. A lot of us expected improvement.
You the fan made it about us against the world just as much.
3 games or not....
We expected more discipline play, not
We expected better Gameday coaching, hell no.
We expected a team to play hard. Still haven't seen that.
Hell people are giving credit to the coaches for adjustments in the 2nd half. .that was all Tommy and a few lucky breaks by the refs....
I want Riley to win because I care about Nebraska, regardless of the coach. I want the Cornhuskers to win games.
Dumbest statement ever made on here are pisters saying they would rather be 1-2 under Riley instead of 3-0 under Bo....delusional.
We would be ranked right now and at least still in the conversations.
You are fooling yourselves if you think we can afford a 7-5 or worse season...nobody cares about us but us.
Fans are mad at TO cause he's right about them and you're all hypocrites because you expected Bo to turn it around. Well 1-2 is a horrible start. A lot of us expected improvement.
You the fan made it about us against the world just as much.
3 games or not....
We expected more discipline play, not
We expected better Gameday coaching, hell no.
We expected a team to play hard. Still haven't seen that.
Hell people are giving credit to the coaches for adjustments in the 2nd half. .that was all Tommy and a few lucky breaks by the refs....
I want Riley to win because I care about Nebraska, regardless of the coach. I want the Cornhuskers to win games.
Dumbest statement ever made on here are pisters saying they would rather be 1-2 under Riley instead of 3-0 under Bo....delusional.
We would be ranked right now and at least still in the conversations.
You are fooling yourselves if you think we can afford a 7-5 or worse season...nobody cares about us but us.
Geez man get a grip. IF you think we would have been 3-0 with Bo as our head coach you are......delusional and its a moot point anyway. HE'S GONE THANK GOD. Our current deficiencies on defense are ALL on him and Ross Els and we will pay for his lazy recruiting for at least two years. Our linebacker and DE situation isn't going to get fixed in one recruiting cycle unless we are able to find a couple of JUCO difference makers that can come in and play right away next fall.
There were rumors he almost accepted a job at SC as DC/Coach in Waiting...Not arguing that is just one I knew of...I dont know of any else
Frank was fired because the AD was going to fire him no matter what. Steve Pederson wanted to make his mark on Nebraska. He never had any thought of keeping Frank. You could see that when he fired Frank who had a new staff which made a pretty solid improvement from the prior year.
He wouldnt have a problem getting a DC gig anywhere, i wouldnt dispute that. That fits him fine.
I think he woulda done good under Spurrier to allow him to learn how to address the media and then in 2 years when Spurrier retired I think he would be in a good position. But I also think its good for him to be in his hometown if he is comfortable there...probably a little less gruff with the media there haha...a lot of Nebraska fans didnt like him for that (I didnt mind)
Pederson was under tremendous pressure from Booster$$$ to can Frank so you might be right. The 7-7 record and then Carl's activities even as a GA had lots of people pissed at the Pelinis. The "new staff" was part of the problem and that last year's record was pretty hollow against an awfully weak schedule. I liked/like Frank but he was not getting it done from a recruiting organization and result stand point and it became painfully obvious when all we had at RB was Ross and at QB was Joe Dailey. The pipeline of O linemen was gone. We still had some talented players on defense but not nearly enough of them to field a really good team and our offensive skill players other than Corey Ross were maybe the worst we had at NU since before Bob Devaney arrived on campus.
I just think its a better temperment for am assistant like him and Charlie Mcbride. I just think especially nowadays a HC needs to keep his head in the game so they can clearly oversee everything.
I thought the 2004 team produced 3 of the 40 top draft picks. All of them were defensive players. Solich had some pretty good defensive talent. Too bad Cosgrove couldn't take advantage of it.
I resorted to name calling? Ho-Lee-Foooook, that's hilarious. You pop off from the hip, get bitch slapped like always, can't respond to what I slapped with you then divert further with a lame "name calling" claim. Spare me your victim response, don't pop off with made up bullshit and you won't get called to the carpet.
Same crap, different user name, rinse and repeat. Week after week, month after month.
Same crap, different user name, rinse and repeat. Week after week, month after month.
Yeah they had some really good players that the Blackshirt allure had gotten to Lincoln before that lost its luster and that downturn started with Bohl. Beyond those defensive guys we were in really bad shape on offense and with the underclassmen on defense. Frank really wet the bed with recruiting his last couple of years. Reasonably good coach. Good guy. Terrible recruiter and not good with the big money boosters. Tom should have let him go to Minnesota when he had the chance.
How could a Nebraska fan "not like" one of the pillars of Nebraska football history? It is like a Bama fan not liking Bear Bryant. Especially for something so trivial as not talking up the latest coach (3 games in) on some sports talk spot. Serious lack of gratitude for someone who worked tirelessly to build the program for 30+ years.
Fair enough. I may not totally agree, but appreciate your rational exchange on this issue. GBR!!
Interesting arguments I suppose. The problem is they are all superficial and the events span a pretty long period of time with multi events in between. So one situation may not be the same as another. There isn't a single person on this board who knows what happened in each of these situations everyone shared their opinions on. Tom did take a raft of crap and I was one who gave it. He did make changes and he stayed true to his values and he won and he won big. So if he has a bit of a personal experience when something is said, good for him.
For me its like when people start to rag on teachers. I stand up for the teacher because I have been one and have an idea of the experiences that are actually going on.
I have met Tom multiple times and he is one person I will always have a deep respect for. His record for picking coaches probably isn't any worse than a typical P5 conference.
For me its like when people start to rag on teachers. I stand up for the teacher because I have been one and have an idea of the experiences that are actually going on.
I have met Tom multiple times and he is one person I will always have a deep respect for. His record for picking coaches probably isn't any worse than a typical P5 conference.
Is it worth it to put all this in print now? What will you be doing if Riley and co. turn things around in a big way? Then what will you say? Maybe the turnaround occurs next year... Who knows? And for your benefit, maybe it doesn't happen. Then you can say I told you so. But is it worth it to vomit this bile up now?
I don't get why it is so hard for some to show some restraint and patience when it comes to Nebraska football. This is, after all, still only three games in. It doesn't mean crap right now.
Your comment is pretty stupid. Pelini did take advantage of the talent. The 2003 defense was ranked high statistically in many categories. It's pretty hard to bang on Pelini as a d-coordinator. His track record was pretty solid
It seems as every coach has their buddy who was their downfall. Gillespie was Frank's main problem. Having said that, I think the improvement made in 2003 should have got Frank more time. Frank also never got to pick his own staff which every coach should be able to. It's nice seeing him have the success he is having at Ohio.
He very obviously was never interested in learning how to deal with the media. God only knows how much effort NU put into that exact thing and it never happened.
I respectfully disagree. I think he got much better last year until the end once the writing was on the wall.
Name one specific D1 program that Bo had an opportunity to go be a head coach at. Just name 1. This shouldn't be too hard since he was such a great coach.
2003 played 3 teams with a pulse and was abused all 3 games. Take that garbage someplace else...
Yea I know Pelini sucks and the 2003 defense did too according to your revisionist history, but the stats don't lie. You are talking out of your arse. The defense was not helped in any of those games by our offense. You can go back and look at Pelini's stats as a d coordinator, and if you would put coach x in for his name you would take those defenses in a heartbeat. Love or hate Bo, the guy is a solid defensive coordinator.
Yes, stats don't lie.... the 3 teams with a pulse on the schedule in 2003.
Mizzou scored 41
Texas 31
KSU 38
To answer your question, Pelini definitely sucks.
We were also in everyone of those games until the 4th quarter. Our offense was putrid and gave little help vs. KSU and Texas. I know you can't look at the whole year because of your hate for Pelini. You can go look at the 2002 and 2004 defensive results with different coordinators to see if Pelini did a good job. Your hate with Bo comes as a head coach and like many on here it clouds your reasoning. The guy has track record of having quality defenses as a d coordinator. A ton of college teams would love to have him as a d-coordinator. The same can't be said for our current coordinator.
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There is no doubt that the relationship between TO and Byrne was strained at the time. Dollar Bill was known to be focused more on non-revenue sports than most ADs which rubbed TO the wrong way. The football facilities fell to 2nd tier status during Byrne's tenure. Like any AD, both TO and Byrne had hits and misses in their hires so I don't think anyone here should castigate TO for his choices. As an example, Byrne hired three football coaches at A&M. One was a disaster(Francionne), one was failed(Sherman) and the jury is still out on Sumlin.
No matter what happens, TO is ENTITLED to any emotion he has about the current situation at NU. He's earned that much.
I suppose so, I guess I just mean it obviously didn't stick and he was just doing it for show apparently. If you can't learn from Osborne you're gonna have a tough time learning from Spurrier haha
Have you ever learned a new behavior? You dont suddenly just get it perfect...it develops over time...but yes Spurrier would turn him into a whiner (I cant stand Spurrier haha)
His recruiting defensively at certain positions was weak. There is still more talent on this team than most will give credit for.. The laughable thing was listening to the fluff before the season how much talent we had on defense and how we were going to play much faster. Bo just couldn't coach them. Now it's we have no talent, so did Bo coach his no talent hacks up then? When things don't go a certain way for some, they change their narrative to fit their agenda.
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