It’s clear Dana wanted a job
Given Rhule’s track record, it’s safe to assume he botched it
Matt Rhule Presser 11/14/24
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Given Rhule’s track record, it’s safe to assume he botched it
Yeah he's like everyone else. We have some good players, great facilities, fan support, admin support, decent coaches, but this place is weirdly off,,,,WTF.
Your obsessive anger towards Rhule seems endless. 😉
If not offering to demote or fire Satt at that point in time then yeah he botched it. Dana wasn’t going to come to NU to help Satt call plays. I understand the concern with Rhule but he’s made the change. Let’s see if it works.
Your choice of words obviously convey anger that at times doesn’t seem rational. Just my observation.
If we eliminate Rhule’s first two years at NU, he is undefeated here.
Part of UCLA and Colorado's improvements have been due to their schedules getting much easier, no?
I mean, UCLA started off with a brutal schedule then they beat a very average Rutgers, Nebraska and Iowa team who had to play a walk-on LB at QB.
Colorado, playing the bottom half of the Big12 outside of Texas Tech.
I get the argument in pointing out the teams Rhule beat at Temple weren't very good. But then why isn't the same thing being done for Deion at Colorado?
Threads like this remind me of Gulliver's Travels. When Gulliver visited the land of the Houyhnhnms (horses) he was encouraged at how refined these creatures were. Unfortunately, the land was also infested with the Yahoos (humans). Gulliver noted the most repugnant trait (of many) exhibited by the Yahoos was when important Yahoos (who the populace had previously liked their feet and hind-quarters) fell from power, the rank and file climbed up into trees and "discharged their excrements" on the fallen's heads.
Just a year ago so many people were on the Rhule bandwagon. Now it sounds as if many want him gone.
Just a year ago so many people were on the Rhule bandwagon. Now it sounds as if many want him gone.
When I decided to do the Temple thing, I knew it was an exercise in futility, but I actually wanted to see the result. With each year I completed, I kept saying to myself, "Oh crap, this is not a pattern any of us want to see."
But, the pattern clearly showed, Matt Rhule at Temple beat nothing but losers by a large margin, for 4 straight years no less.
As of 2023, when Rhule was at Temple his teams were 2-5 against Top 25 teams. He beat # 21 E. Carolina and # 20 Navy.
At Baylor he was 0-11 against Top 25 teams. I don't think doing Baylor would show that much of an overall difference considering they only won 19 games in 3 years.
But wasn't Temple a loser of a program too?
It's not like Pelini where he was heading a blue blood program and could only beat losers.
This is a staff that doesn't pay attention to detail trying to compete against coaching staffs who do pay attention to detail.
It's the little difference that makes the big difference. They know more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing.
CU has two road wins over teams with a winning record just this year.
Might take Rhule 3-4 years (conservatively) to accomplish that here (currently sitting at zero).
You know damned well what my point is and it’s accurate. He has in fact won at what was at the time a P5 program after 2 rebuilding years. Failing to acknowledge that is just agenda driven piling on.
I happen to think Cignetti is one of those guys who "gets it." He perused films last year and found that QB from the MAC. He said , "I want that kid, he reminds me a lot of Philip Rivers." When that kid is healthy, he is perfect for the style of offense they run. I think Cig will do the same thing again next year and find guys who actually match what he coaches on both sides of the ball.
He uses what I called a Model of Characteristics. It's very similar to what the USSR did when they identified athletes at a young age, and said, "You're gonna be a pole vaulter, you're gonna be a discus thrower, you're gonna be a volleyball player, etc. "
He doesn't do the position-less selecting of players and then trying to find positions for them like Rhule does with many "projects" who happen to be athletes.
Those athletes come to Cig with specific areas already defined.
There ARE model characteristics in athletes. You just have to know what you're looking for.
You are right dingle,that backup QB is pretty damn good.
IU QB from the MAC now sitting on the 5th shortest heisman odds
As if hell could get any more frozen
Because Deion doesn't coach here, and what his team does will not affect us as fans.
I know what you mean though, anytime you scrutinize anyone's record closely, it will reveal things that people don't want to talk about or want to have exposed.
I just go where the numbers take me with maybe a hunch, but not a end result in mind until the facts speak for themselves.
I said last year, I would give him 1 1/2 years before I got critical. I DID make a couple negative comments last year but they were almost always about unnecessary time outs and clock management. This year I've been more critical as different weaknesses have appeared that are affecting the outcome of games and are not being addressed, or slow to be addressed, or finally addressed out of necessity.
I don’t think there’s a single person in the fanbase who expects us to win games because of coaching at this point.
Our eggs are entirely in the “talent” basket (again).
The mystique is that Rhule builds a program. Loses badly in year one, improves in year 2 and has a big winning improvement in year 3 and in one case year 3 and 4.
That doesn't have to apply here. The teams at Temple and Baylor being in the Big East/AAC or whatever conference Temple was in and the Big 12 where Baylor is, do NOT have the top heavy talented teams that they have in the BIG.
Texas, Okla, Okie St, K State, etc simply do not match up with the OSU, MICH, PSU, ORE and depth of another 4-5 teams in the conference now.
I'm just saying, the schedule can kill you in this league if you wind up with 3-4 heavy hitters the same year especially with all the travel. JMO
Things are not the same in Year 3 for Rhule here as they were in his 2 previous stops.
When a coach is building a program by beating worse programs doesn't necessarily mean he's building a program if all he does is beat primarily losing programs but is failing to bridge the gap between his team and the actual teams he needs to beat (winning teams) to show actual progress.
You having to include Colorado St just for Deion to get to 2 further proves my point.
I mean, that didn't stop you from bringing up Colorado (and their success) in this very same thread.... which is why I even brought up Colorado in my response.
I agree with everything else.
This right here. Any coach worth a darn knows the little details matter and can make a big difference
Not sure why fans can't see yet or want to admit we have the wrong guy in charge
You may very well be right, but why not wait until year 3 (like many were willing to do when Rhule was first hired) to see if the Big10 is different for Rhule than the Big12 and whatever conference Temple was in?
Your last paragraph. Again, it depends. If we're talking about Pelini, then I agree with what you said. If we're talking about Temple, no way because Temple was a bad program. A bad program beating bad teams & losing to good teams is building a program to me because before, Temple wasn't beating the bad teams.
I think because most people want to give a guy more than 1.5 years to see what he can do.
