Matt Rhule Presser 11/14/24

[thall_]

The year before he got there they had a 7-win team, who had 85 scholarships. But you do you, don't let facts or reason slow you down.

Baylor couple years before Rhule: wins the conference

Baylor with Rhule: never wins the conference, despite it being historically weak

Baylor couple years after Rhule: wins the conference

retards like @headcard: the facts say Rhule is the only guy who can win at Baylor 🤪

 

[HuskerO]

Baylor
2017 - lone win was against 1-11 Kansas
2018 - wins came against Abilene Christian, UTSA, Kansas, Kstate, Okstate, Texas Tech and Vanderbilt who had a combine record of 35-50 (0.412)
2019 - wins came against SFA, UTSA, Rice, Iowa State, Kstate, Texas Tech, Okstate, West Virginia, TCU, Texas, and Kansas who had a combined record of 58-78 (0.426)

So his entire tenure at Baylor was built of beating teams with combined records of 94-139 (0.403).

Congratulations, its nearly identical to his Temple tenure.

If Rhule loses the rest of the games this year (highly likely since he's a loser coach so far), he will have a career winning % of 0.496.

Nebraska from '74 - '76: Beat teams with combined records of 114-175 (0.3945)

Tom Osborne, what a loser & crappy coach.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

You may very well be right, but why not wait until year 3 (like many were willing to do when Rhule was first hired) to see if the Big10 is different for Rhule than the Big12 and whatever conference Temple was in?

Your last paragraph. Again, it depends. If we're talking about Pelini, then I agree with what you said. If we're talking about Temple, no way because Temple was a bad program. A bad program beating bad teams & losing to good teams is building a program to me because before, Temple wasn't beating the bad teams.

I'm gonna be waiting for Year 3 like everyone else. I hope he's able to get this thing turned around.

I've been a NU fan since 1962, and history says, as fans, we've seen it all. We should know what a great team looks like, what an improving team looks like and what a team trending downward looks like. As fans over the last 25 years or so, we've just seen it all.

There also comes a point where it seemed to becoming obvious that Callahan is not gonna survive because he won't let go of Cosgrove. Or that Pelini can't overcome his sideline behavior and getting steamrolled by teams, or Riley, well, forget him.

It didn't take long to see that Frost just wasn't gonna able to get anything done. He brought the majority of his staff with him from Carolina. He hired a very substandard OC just like Frost brought along a substandard DC in Chinander.

Rhule still has to prove himself, but IF NU fails to win any of the last 3 the momentum is really diminished and questions need to be asked. Rhule made an OC change, out of necessity, not because he wanted to. If DH sparks this offense and gives us fans hope for the future, that will be one helluva shot in the arm for this program. But, we don't know what DH's future plans are at this point, and that doesn't fix the ST play, the inconsistency of the defense. He's got his work cut out.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Baylor
2017 - lone win was against 1-11 Kansas
2018 - wins came against Abilene Christian, UTSA, Kansas, Kstate, Okstate, Texas Tech and Vanderbilt who had a combine record of 35-50 (0.412)
2019 - wins came against SFA, UTSA, Rice, Iowa State, Kstate, Texas Tech, Okstate, West Virginia, TCU, Texas, and Kansas who had a combined record of 58-78 (0.426)

So his entire tenure at Baylor was built of beating teams with combined records of 94-139 (0.403).

Congratulations, its nearly identical to his Temple tenure.

If Rhule loses the rest of the games this year (highly likely since he's a loser coach so far), he will have a career winning % of 0.496.

Thanks, that saved me some work!!

 

[HuskerO]

The only reason I brought up CU was because of Deion being in his 2nd year and Cig and Foster in their first year as an example of 3 non-football schools who are outperforming us in Year 2. I'm no fan of Deion and I think Foster surrounded himself with some really good coaches, and I happen to think, and to be determined by time, that Cig is a dude who really gets it.

I guess I really don't know what my point is here, LOL, I was just examining the numbers beneath the numbers of Rhule over a 4 year period at Temple. I guess I arrived at the conclusion that his rate of success will not transfer here. I could be wrong, and hope I am, but I don't think so. LOL

(TBH, I'm late for my nap and I'm getting cranky).

I just don't think your data is broad enough. When you stop at only their records, there *could* be more to it. What they inherited, what players were they able to bring over (what Sanders & Cig were able to bring over because college coaches prior is much easier than what Rhule was able to do), what conference they're in, SOS, etc)....

Yes, you mostly bring up data, but then there are things like;

You bring up Colorado, then question why I bring them up.
You bring up Rhule being in the strong BIG10 and not the weak Big12 or AAC, but then that's not applying for Deion.

I'm not discounting what you're saying by the way. Much of it is great info, I just think some may need more context and there's still a lot of unknowns out there.

 

[HuskerO]

Thanks, that saved me some work!!

Yet the quality of opponent wins Rhule had at Temple were better than the quality of opponent wins Osborne had from '74-'76.

Surely we're not suggesting that Rhule at Temple was better than Osborne at Nebraska from '74-'76, right?

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Nebraska from '74 - '76: Beat teams with combined records of 114-175 (0.3945)

Tom Osborne, what a loser & crappy coach.

By the way, TO coached from 1972 - 1997, along the way he beat some great teams with great records, not one 11 win South Florida team.

1974 -1976 is 11% of TO's career, not his entire career.
Find me one person in this football world that will ever compare Matt Rhule to Tom Osborne.

This is a fun debate/discussion because the only one who can decide this is Rhule next year.

 

[thall_]

Nebraska from '74 - '76: Beat teams with combined records of 114-175 (0.3945)

Tom Osborne, what a loser & crappy coach.

Nebraska from ‘74 - ‘76: finished in the top 10 each year, beat multiple top 10 teams.

@HuskerO, what a loser & crappy poster

 

[HuskerO]

By the way, TO coached from 1972 - 1997, along the way he beat some great teams with great records, not one 11 win South Florida team.

1974 -1976 is 11% of TO's career, not his entire career.
Find me one person in this football world that will ever compare Matt Rhule to Tom Osborne.

This is a fun debate/discussion because the only one who can decide this is Rhule next year.

Exactly. There's so much more than just the data and/or numbers to take into consideration. That's the point I'm trying to bring home (even if I'm doing so poorly).

Your last sentence, I agree 100%.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I just don't think your data is broad enough. When you stop at only their records, there *could* be more to it. What they inherited, what players were they able to bring over (what Sanders & Cig were able to bring over because college coaches prior is much easier than what Rhule was able to do), what conference they're in, SOS, etc)....

Yes, you mostly bring up data, but then there are things like;

You bring up Colorado, then question why I bring them up.
You bring up Rhule being in the strong BIG10 and not the weak Big12 or AAC, but then that's not applying for Deion.

I'm not discounting what you're saying by the way. Much of it is great info, I just think some may need more context and there's still a lot of unknowns out there.

I gotta be honest with you, I'm responding to about 6 different posters, so things get fuzzy.
I absolutely could care less about Deion or how they're doing. I'm looking at numbers on different sites then coming back here and trying to apply what I learned and I'm in lots of different posts right now just trying to answer objections or different points of view. Its getting muddled.

No doubt this is a different situation for Rhule. This is not Temple or Baylor and this is a football school that has had a long history of winning but a more recent history of losing. Everyone of us wants the RIGHT guy, whoever that is.

NIL, transfer portal, huge budgets, great facilities, etc make this totally different for Rhule, so why would we think that what has been true in the past will remain true? There are so many things systemically wrong with this program, and I don't any of us even know what a lot of those reason are. I know I don't.

The coaches we've tried, the amount of money generated, the Taj Mahal of facilities, unbelievable state wide support for the program....yet nothing. As dingle said from the fan reaction at the UCLA game the level of apprehension and dissatisfaction is becoming a lot more vocal. In the event the Huskers lose to USC tomorrow and things start to go south in the WIsky game, its not gonna be pretty.

People, certainly not all, are getting tired of the emotional (voluntary of course) letdowns that seem to permeate this program and as fans, we'd kinda like to see it stop. Nothing we say on this board has one iota chance of changing anything. But hope left the building until something concrete is in place.

 

[HuskerO]

Nebraska from ‘74 - ‘76: finished in the top 10 each year, beat multiple top 10 teams.

@HuskerO, what a loser & crappy poster

I thought we were discussing how shallow wins were against bad opponents? Also,

1974: beat no one who finished in the top 10
1975: beat no one who finished in the top 10
1976: beat no one who finished in the top 10

Good call, haha!!!

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Yet the quality of opponent wins Rhule had at Temple were better than the quality of opponent wins Osborne had from '74-'76.

Surely we're not suggesting that Rhule at Temple was better than Osborne at Nebraska from '74-'76, right?

Now you're being ridiculous.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Exactly. There's so much more than just the data and/or numbers to take into consideration. That's the point I'm trying to bring home (even if I'm doing so poorly).

Your last sentence, I agree 100%.

Neither of us is taking this personally, and I really like that cause I got myself posting back with a few guys and I'm in the proverbial center of circular crossfire. LOL

You as well as others are making good points, and if we agree or not, a solid, partisan/non-partisan discussion is really good for some of us considering the bye week with the underlying reason that we all feel a little pressure/angst/optimism for NU to actually do something good tomorrow.

Hopefully we can shut down this discussion before long and get ready for some football on tv tonight.

Keep up the good exchange, we've all made valid points to add to this discussion.

 

[HuskerO]

Now you're being ridiculous.

Hey, I'm just looking at the data :-D


*** And yes, I am being ridiculous ***

 

[thall_]

I thought we were discussing how shallow wins were against bad opponents? Also,

1974: beat no one who finished in the top 10
1975: beat no one who finished in the top 10
1976: beat no one who finished in the top 10

Good call, haha!!!

1974: beat #8 Texas in the Cotton Bowl
1976: best #9 Texas Tech in their bowl game

Congratulations, now everyone knows you’re retarded

 

[HuskerO]

Neither of us is taking this personally, and I really like that cause I got myself posting back with a few guys and I'm in the proverbial center of circular crossfire. LOL

You as well as others are making good points, and if we agree or not, a solid, partisan/non-partisan discussion is really good for some of us considering the bye week with the underlying reason that we all feel a little pressure/angst/optimism for NU to actually do something good tomorrow.

Hopefully we can shut down this discussion before long and get ready for some football on tv tonight.

Keep up the good exchange, we've all made valid points to add to this discussion.

Yup, I'm done. Unless it's @thall_ making stuff up.

 

[king_kong_]

I just don't think your data is broad enough. When you stop at only their records, there *could* be more to it. What they inherited, what players were they able to bring over (what Sanders & Cig were able to bring over because college coaches prior is much easier than what Rhule was able to do), what conference they're in, SOS, etc)....

Yes, you mostly bring up data, but then there are things like;

You bring up Colorado, then question why I bring them up.
You bring up Rhule being in the strong BIG10 and not the weak Big12 or AAC, but then that's not applying for Deion.

I'm not discounting what you're saying by the way. Much of it is great info, I just think some may need more context and there's still a lot of unknowns out there.

the "strong B1G"

here are the records of our conference opponents:

6-3 (ILL) - LOSS
1-8 (Pur) - WIN
5-4 (Rut) - WIN
10-0 (Ind) - LOSS
9-1 (OSU) - LOSS
3-5 (UCLA - LOSS
4-5 (USC) - ???
5-4 (Wisc) - ???
6-4 (iowa) - ???

not exactly a murderer's row

take out indiana and ohio state and we're still just .500 against pretty crappy opponents that would be pretty crappy in any conference

 

[HuskerO]

1974: beat #8 Texas in the Cotton Bowl
1976: best #9 Texas Tech in their bowl game

Congratulations, now everyone knows you’re retarded

Yeah, they didn't finish in the Top 10. That's what matters.

Otherwise you'd be stating that Georgia Tech beat a Top 10 team in Florida St this year, hahaha!!

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I thought we were discussing how shallow wins were against bad opponents? Also,

1974: beat no one who finished in the top 10
1975: beat no one who finished in the top 10
1976: beat no one who finished in the top 10

Good call, haha!!!

What is your fascination of taking 3 years of TO's career against Top Ten teams when I'm using Rhule against Top 25 teams? Not the same thing and those coaches come from different universes.

Why don't you do the '93 - '95 NU version? I can't go much farther on this one, cause I look up and I have 13 other replies in my Alert box. LOL

 

[king_kong_]

Yeah, they didn't finish in the Top 10. That's what matters.

Otherwise you'd be stating that Georgia Tech beat a Top 10 team in Florida St this year, hahaha!!

they didn't finish there because we beat them in the last game of the season.

 

[HuskerO]

the "strong B1G"

here are the records of our conference opponents:

6-3 (ILL) - LOSS
1-8 (Pur) - WIN
5-4 (Rut) - WIN
10-0 (Ind) - LOSS
9-1 (OSU) - LOSS
3-5 (UCLA - LOSS
4-5 (USC) - ???
5-4 (Wisc) - ???
6-4 (iowa) - ???

not exactly a murderer's row

take out indiana and ohio state and we're still just .500 against pretty crappy opponents

I'm not the one who said the BIG10 was stronger.... My comment was in response to post #105

Matt Rhule Presser 11/14/24

Do we know that? I know he was in town and in talks. Did he pass on us or did we pass on him? Have always wondered why it didn't happen in the offseason, which is the traditional time for those things, but it did happen mid-season which is very unorthodox? What changed? It almost reads like DH...

nebraska.forums.rivals.com

EDIT: I guess I was the one who said stronger. I thought 123 did, my bad. But I'm pretty sure he was implying it..

 

[HuskerO]

What is your fascination of taking 3 years of TO's career against Top Ten teams when I'm using Rhule against Top 25 teams? Not the same thing and those coaches come from different universes.

Why don't you do the '93 - '95 NU version? I can't go much farther on this one, cause I look up and I have 13 other replies in my Alert box. LOL

I've already addressed this.

 

[HuskerO]

they didn't finish there because we beat them in the last game of the season.

Yup.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I just don't think your data is broad enough. When you stop at only their records, there *could* be more to it. What they inherited, what players were they able to bring over (what Sanders & Cig were able to bring over because college coaches prior is much easier than what Rhule was able to do), what conference they're in, SOS, etc)....

Yes, you mostly bring up data, but then there are things like;

You bring up Colorado, then question why I bring them up.
You bring up Rhule being in the strong BIG10 and not the weak Big12 or AAC, but then that's not applying for Deion.

I'm not discounting what you're saying by the way. Much of it is great info, I just think some may need more context and there's still a lot of unknowns out there.

The thing that's cool is you're a Offensive Coordinator and I'm a Defensive Coordinator, so this like a game within the game. We both continue to make "in-game" adjustments. LOL

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Yup, I'm done. Unless it's @thall_ making stuff up.

Thanks for the input, I'm using some of that in my thought process for next year's season.

 

[HuskerO]

they didn't finish there because we beat them in the last game of the season.

Before we played Tech in the bowl game we were ranked #13. After we won, we were ranked #9 (AP) & #7 (Coaches).

So did we finish in the Top 10 or no? To me, the answer would be yes, even though we had to win the final game to get there.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

Before we played Tech in the bowl game we were ranked #13. After we won, we were ranked #9 (AP) & #7 (Coaches).

So did we finish in the Top 10 or no? To me, the answer would be yes, even though we had to win the final game to get there.

Not answereing for kong, but the way I look at it is how they finished including the bowl game.

 

[beaglehusker]

I think because most people want to give a guy more than 1.5 years to see what he can do.

Sorry not anymore the red flags are very obvious. Doesn't matter what think he's going to get at least 3 years anyway

 

[HuskerO]

Sorry not anymore the red flags are very obvious. Doesn't matter what think he's going to get at least 3 years anyway

One of us will have egg on their face. No offense, but hopefully it's you

 

[WHCSC]

Firetomosborne.com

 

[thall_]

Yeah, they didn't finish in the Top 10. That's what matters.

Otherwise you'd be stating that Georgia Tech beat a Top 10 team in Florida St this year, hahaha!!

They finished the regular season in the top 10, not week 1.

But you knew that, and you’re embarrassed that your retarded argument fell apart so quickly

hahaha!!! 🤪

 

[HuskerO]

They finished the regular season in the top 10, not week 1.

But you knew that, and you’re embarrassed that your retarded argument fell apart so quickly

hahaha!!! 🤪

No, you said that Nebraska "beat multiple top 10 teams" from '74-'76. We literally beat no one who finished in the Top 10 in those 3 years.

I'm not dogging those Nebraska seasons. Just pointing out that your comment was incorrect.

 

[thall_]

No, you said that Nebraska "beat multiple top 10 teams" from '74-'76. We literally beat no one who finished in the Top 10 in those 3 years.

I'm not dogging those Nebraska seasons. Just pointing out that your comment was incorrect.

Not only are you wrong, you’re wrong and stupid.

Dangerous combination, and unfortunately common around here.

 

[little a]

I think every win by Foster, Sanders and Cignetti have shined the light more and more on Matt.

I can't imagine how Matt would begin to answer a press question like this,

"Looking at CU, IND, and UCLA, three completely different programs, three different personality types as their HC, all improving from week after week.
Everything they have, we have more and we have better.
Why are we having so much trouble getting this thing turned around?"

Now that would be a tough question to answer on the podium right now.

Great point- because he’s being exposed as a career 2-21 coach against REAL teams

 

[HuskerO]

Not only are you wrong, you’re wrong and stupid.

Dangerous combination, and unfortunately common around here.

Yet, you have provided 0 evidence to back up your claim.

Which is why your resorting to personal insults. This happens with most poorly thought out arguments.

 

[thall_]

Yet, you have provided 0 evidence to back up your claim.

Which is why you’re resorting to personal insults. This happens with most poorly thought out arguments.

I did

then you created your own bizarre parameter

then I could’ve been factually correct (again) and said top 15, 20, 25, etc

then I realized you needed to be bullied as a form of social conditioning, because you idiots did the same thing with Pelini, Riley and Frost when you were performing your mental gymnastics

 

[dinglefritz]

I understand that. His 3rd year at Ba

I'm not agenda driven, I'm data driven. He doesn't/hasn't beaten anything but losing teams.

Believe it or not, I'm a detail guy.
I'm not the kind of coach who's gonna leave a .245 and a .231 hitters in my # 3 and # 4 hole in my batting order when they have specific jobs to do. I charted every pitch count and how every hitter in my lineup performed from game to game. I knew who could hit ahead in the count and who couldn't. Those type of principles apply in almost all sports. Details.

This WR coach and OC and HC do the equivalent of looking the other way while Neyor and Banks disappear for games a time, don't contest 50/50 balls, can't seem to get open. I mean, we've got 25 fricking receivers, surely somebody wants to play.

As a coach, I'd fricking tell 'em, either you get your shit together out there or I'm pulling your ass and putting some guys in who have a lot of "want to." Do kids think they're gonna perform at this level and entertain thoughts of the next level where they can be treated like kids?

All coaches have a different method of delivering their message to coaches and players, but I guarantee the really good ones like Saban, Meyer, Osborne, Stoops don't put up with non-effort bullshit. Those guys are driven to win. Either you get on board, or you get to examine yourself on the pine.

When you talk as a coach about accountability, that applies to everyone. The players, the coaches, the system, everything. I held myself accountable and preparation was the name of the game.
The whole is no better than the parts.

End of sermon. Don't take it personal.

I understand that. His 3rd year at Baylor is an important data point.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

Matt has a ton of "tells." His words do not match his body language.
He's a very unsure guy right now.

Just watch that 8+ minute video and slow it down to 75% and see if his body language matches his words, because they don't.

He does all the classic mannerisms that are pretty easy to read. Purses his lips, shifts from left foot to right foot and back, very steady when he's giving legitimate praise, stays still when he is answering or explaining something easy, says yes while his head is shaking no, shakes his head more pronouncely no as his words are saying yes, looks down at the floor a lot, forces himself to smile when he heaps praise on Dana.

Doesn't give the bubbly "Thanks guys!!" as he heads off the mic.

He obviously feels a ton of pressure.

He looks like an unsure, beaten fighter.

Step 1…Get rid of the dead weight on this roster! We need more motivated Football players and less pretenders.

 

[phoenix4nu]

Step 1…Get rid of the dead weight on this roster! We need more motivated Football players and less pretenders.

And more speed on defense.

 

[king_kong_]

another first year coach punching his bowl ticket at UW, this time after a mass exodus of talent

sigh