Lost another one

[Archie Graham]

I get that.

I'm sure you do. I just think everyone needs to pump the breaks on some of this garbage. Recruiting will always be partly about relationships, California kids aren't soft, Nebraska guys don't have more heart, etc. There's a grey area where the majority of the world lives. Lots of Nebraska fans don't live in the grey area.

 

[rrthusker]

I'm sure you do. I just think everyone needs to pump the breaks on some of this garbage. Recruiting will always be partly about relationships, California kids aren't soft, Nebraska guys don't have more heart, etc. There's a grey area where the majority of the world lives. Lots of Nebraska fans don't live in the grey area.

The doom and gloom brigade is over the top right now. Let`s see who the new coach is and how this shakes out before throwing in the towel. Good post Archie.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I'm not surprised you've arrived at this conclusion. Why should one consider all possible coaching variables when you can hastily dismiss one of the elite recruiters in the country after less than one season on the job. It's the Nebraska way.

No, the Nebraska Way is developing players once they get on campus, regardless of their talent level when they arrive. That's the way at any winning program. And if you can't see that he has failed miserably at that, then you're not paying attention.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Jason Peter is a douchebag. The two most physical players we have had in recent memory were Quincy Enunwa and Eric Martin. Guess where they were from?

This.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Ok, but what makes it so he's one of the two toughest players we have had in recent memory? Seems odd to have to go back that far. He wasn't very good either.

I didn’t say he was one of the two toughest guys in recent memory. His teammates just thought he was a tough dude that you wouldn’t mess with.

And for the ‘he wasn’t very good part.’ Once Bo figured out how to use him, he was a pretty darn good player. The guy sat on the bench too much because he was a tweener body type and the staff couldn’t figure out how to utilize him for the longest time. I would take several Eric Martins right now.

 

[GretnaShawn]

I wouldn't want to meet anyone in a dark alley.

Not even me? All you’d get is a dark alley hug.... Now that I type that I get why that’d be something you’d avoid.

 

[huskerfan1414]

I didn’t say he was one of the two toughest guys in recent memory. His teammates just thought he was a tough dude that you wouldn’t mess with.

And for the ‘he wasn’t very good part.’ Once Bo figured out how to use him, he was a pretty darn good player. The guy sat on the bench too much because he was a tweener body type and the staff couldn’t figure out how to utilize him for the longest time. I would take several Eric Martins right now.

I know you didnt, but your response to me originally was my questioning the two toughest players in some time statement made by another poster. i didnt say martin wasnt tough in general.
Agree in general that they didn't utilize him well enough.

 

[Archie Graham]

No, the Nebraska Way is developing players once they get on campus, regardless of their talent level when they arrive. That's the way at any winning program. And if you can't see that he has failed miserably at that, then you're not paying attention.

Wait, wait. Developing players is important? LOL. Thanks for the groundbreaking note there, Du.

Your analysis of Donte is terribly flawed; though, not terribly surprising given the way you approach things around here.

 

[Archie Graham]

I know you didnt, but your response to me originally was my questioning the two toughest players in some time statement made by another poster. i didnt say martin wasnt tough in general.
Agree in general that they didn't utilize him well enough.

All I was pointing out was that some damn hard football players that came from CA have played here recently.

 

[Harry Caray]

At least The Biebs is still committed to "Calibraska"

 

[Pennsyhusker]

No, the Nebraska Way is developing players once they get on campus, regardless of their talent level when they arrive. That's the way at any winning program. And if you can't see that he has failed miserably at that, then you're not paying attention.

I don't think we can make an accurate assessment of any of the new coaches based on this year. And that includes Diaco. After the NIU loss and the firing of Eichorst, everyone and their blind dog knew Riley was in deep shit. The season was in constant turmoil from that point on.
The bottom fell out in the fourth quarter in the Wisconsin game. From that point on the season was over.

 

[huskerfan1414]

All I was pointing out was that some damn hard football players that came from CA have played here recently.

I agree with that.
Happy Thanksgiving

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Agreed.
But why did they cancel?

Because there will be no staff to host them

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Jason Peter is a douchebag. The two most physical players we have had in recent memory were Quincy Enunwa and Eric Martin. Guess where they were from?

And he still will not question the local kids and their abhorret play on the D Line. That crack head has no credibility, and sounds like a whiney old woman when he talks.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I'm not surprised you've arrived at this conclusion. Why should one consider all possible coaching variables when you can hastily dismiss one of the elite recruiters in the country after less than one season on the job. It's the Nebraska way.

Hell, the excuses have already started for the next staff. God I hope Frost works.

 

[TwinsRRUs]

Not even me? All you’d get is a dark alley hug.... Now that I type that I get why that’d be something you’d avoid.

I was going to post something very similar earlier after reading his comment! lol

 

[Sooner_or_Later]

I hope to hell Donte Williams ends up as far away from our football program as humanly possible. Our defensive backfield has been garbage from the moment he became our DB coach.

Donte wasn’t hired to coach, he was hired to recruit. Elliott was much more of a loss than people imagined.Diaco is not a fan of Williams and visa versa.

 

[Nate004]

I'm late to the thread, but I gotta say, I don't get the timing. He had to know Riley was gone before now. Anyone with a pulse knows it is going to happen for weeks now. So why now? If it was all about Mike, why not just decommit when it became obvious he is gone? Why not wait to see who the new coach is and talk to him first... He literally was going to step into a position where he was going to be playing day 1, no matter who the coach was. High school kids... baffling (and part of the reason why coaches make so much $$$).

 

[TwinsRRUs]

I'm late to the thread, but I gotta say, I don't get the timing. He had to know Riley was gone before now. Anyone with a pulse knows it is going to happen for weeks now. So why now? If it was all about Mike, why not just decommit when it became obvious he is gone? Why not wait to see who the new coach is and talk to him first... He literally was going to step into a position where he was going to be playing day 1, no matter who the coach was. High school kids... baffling (and part of the reason why coaches make so much $$$).

Maybe Donte and/or Keith told him they were out the door with Riley? Who knows. Maybe it will leak out eventually though.

Even though it may have been obvious that he was gone, the kids are still playing football and living their everyday lives...

 

[Shermski77]

Program just has way bigger fish to fry right now, who cares.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I don't think we can make an accurate assessment of any of the new coaches based on this year. And that includes Diaco. After the NIU loss and the firing of Eichorst, everyone and their blind dog knew Riley was in deep shit. The season was in constant turmoil from that point on.
The bottom fell out in the fourth quarter in the Wisconsin game. From that point on the season was over.

We absolutely can make an assessment. Players are supposed to improve throughout the year, and I saw our defense and DBs get worse. The ball skills by our DBs may have been the worst I've ever seen.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Donte wasn’t hired to coach, he was hired to recruit. Elliott was much more of a loss than people imagined.Diaco is not a fan of Williams and visa versa.

Elliot was a big loss. Sure DW was brought to recruit, but he also coaches these kids, and what I've seen has been really bad.

 

[CC_Lemming]

Maybe Donte and/or Keith told him they were out the door with Riley? Who knows. Maybe it will leak out eventually though.

Even though it may have been obvious that he was gone, the kids are still playing football and living their everyday lives...

Or maybe he was starting to get more interest from other programs. Or even a lack of interest, so he felt the need to make it public that his recruitment was "open" again. I agree, the timing is not all that curious.

 

[NUSouth]

Any doubt that Riley is gone is pretty much removed.

Tate was just at Washington state probably getting use to mike leach

 

[Husker Sledge]

Because they don't want commits/potential recruits on an official visit while the coaching staff is being fired. I believe they gave them some excuse, but these are smart kids. They know why.

So you like the spinning in circles, stumbling, and losing their receivers our DBs do nearly every play on defense? LOL! Can't wait for that guy to get the hell away from our DBs.

Is our DB coach really that bad? Is our DL coach really that bad? Is our LB coach really that bad? I would bet there will be some crazy sh*t coming out soon on how coaching went down under Diaco.

 

[kaz36]

Is our DB coach really that bad? Is our DL coach really that bad? Is our LB coach really that bad? I would bet there will be some crazy sh*t coming out soon on how coaching went down under Diaco.

I don't really think that Diaco is a bad coach. I think he's a bad fit and his staff isn't really a fit for what he wants to run. It was a big risk to hire Diaco in year 3 like this and the risk didn't pay off. A complete defensive overhaul was a failure.

 

[oldjar07]

Is our DB coach really that bad? Is our DL coach really that bad? Is our LB coach really that bad? I would bet there will be some crazy sh*t coming out soon on how coaching went down under Diaco.

It's likely both. Diaco's scheme is terrible but none of the coaches you mentioned are better than average.

 

[oldjar07]

I'm not surprised you've arrived at this conclusion. Why should one consider all possible coaching variables when you can hastily dismiss one of the elite recruiters in the country after less than one season on the job. It's the Nebraska way.

All the coaching variables suggest Donte Williams is a bad coach and his recruiting abilities are also very overrated.

 

[CC_Lemming]

All the coaching variables suggest Donte Williams is a bad coach and his recruiting abilities are also very overrated.

You really have a knack for pointing out the worst in a situation while simultaneously managing to dismiss the consensus belief and still make yourself sound like an authority. I wish I had that kind of confidence.
(How the hell do you arrive at the opinion that his ability to recruit is "very overrated?")

 

[dinglefritz]

Even though Jason Peter called the Cali kids soft, I was pretty excited for Chase Williams.

He sounded like a great kid and a very good player.

I think his loss hurts, but understand that the new coach will just have to replace him.

Recruits commit to the school, but by relationships in a huge way.

This recruiting class will be snowballing downhill until the new coach and assistants can try to save it.

Losing Donte and Keith will hurt this class a ton because of their abilities to connect with these kids. They can recruit. No doubt about it and the reason so many of us (yes, not all on here were excited, some think like JP) were excited when Donte was hired and were "more than okay" with Riley's decision to keep Keith W on the staff following his DUI.

THIS was a huge loss. We are going to be screwed for DBs for a couple of years. We absolutely had to find a couple this year who could help right away. This is going to hurt us for years.

 

[Archie Graham]

All the coaching variables suggest Donte Williams is a bad coach and his recruiting abilities are also very overrated.

LOLOLOL. You're clueless.

 

[dinglefritz]

All the coaching variables suggest Donte Williams is a bad coach and his recruiting abilities are also very overrated.

That doesn't make sense. Is Williams responsible for the players other guys recruited? Is he responsible for all the injuries we've had at DB this year? Is he responsible for the change from the 4-3 to a 3-4 (which he has never coached before)? He's been here all of one year so I think your criticism is perhaps a bit premature.

 

[Archie Graham]

Hell, the excuses have already started for the next staff. God I hope Frost works.

Just wait. Frost retains Donte, DBs play better under a new scheme, and Donte continues to recruit like a badass.

 

[huskerfan1414]

You just never know what's going on behind the scenes.
Diaco could be telling him to coach them differently than he wants to or would otherwise. This is my hope.
Or the practice style and time management isn't allowing for enough drills and individual position practices.
The blame needs to rest on the head guy, Riley, where it belongs. Then Diaco. And so forth until the problems are uncovered...you may never know but methinks this has more to do with the highest paid coaches at NU.

 

[oldjar07]

That doesn't make sense. Is Williams responsible for the players other guys recruited? Is he responsible for all the injuries we've had at DB this year? Is he responsible for the change from the 4-3 to a 3-4 (which he has never coached before)? He's been here all of one year so I think your criticism is perhaps a bit premature.

Yes, he is responsible for those players lol. He's their coach! A 3-4 doesn't change coverage that much. It's still the same coverages on the back end. Our DB technique sucks and it doesn't take more than 1 year to start seeing positive improvements in fundamentals and technique.

 

[oldjar07]

You really have a knack for pointing out the worst in a situation while simultaneously managing to dismiss the consensus belief and still make yourself sound like an authority. I wish I had that kind of confidence.
(How the hell do you arrive at the opinion that his ability to recruit is "very overrated?")

The consensus was that Diaco was a good coach and our defense was going to improve under him. Sometimes the consensus can be wrong. From the beginning of the Donte Williams hire, there was a push to label him as one of the best recruiters in the country even though he had done nothing to deserve such acclaim. He's a good recruiter, yes, but nowhere near the best in the country. Two of his recruits are already gone and it doesn't look like he can recruit kids that are any less flaky than Keith's recruits were.