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Little ferentz issue??

I'll stop with the outlandish statements as soon as you do. Iowa and Nebraska won't differ much in the next couple of decades? Right...

For the record, my beef is more with guys like arbitr8 and Percyland, whose sole purpose on this board is to troll. You come with thought put into your posts. I may not agree with everything you post, but you don't with me either. That's how it is.

I just wish it didn't have to be your other "fans" who can't carry on intelligent conversations.
Give me a break. Trying to bring Nebraska fans back to reality I guess can be called trolling. And I did grow up in Western Iowa so I am a bit jaded.

But for a non-trolling question, you scoffed at Iowa and Nebraska possibly being pretty even the next some years. They have been pretty even the past 20 years, what in your mind shows that they are going to rocket past Iowa the next 10-20 years?
 
all traitor big 8 teams are in with texas,
thats why we reside in big 10 country.
 
Ouch... during your glory days you beat us soundly during our down decades... how embarrassing.
Your down decades are beginning to eclipse your up decades at some point your up decades will be referred to as a blip.
 
But for a non-trolling question, you scoffed at Iowa and Nebraska possibly being pretty even the next some years. They have been pretty even the past 20 years, what in your mind shows that they are going to rocket past Iowa the next 10-20 years?
Iowa record over the last 20 years: 145-105 Winning percentage .058 Average wins per season: 7.25
Nebraska record over the last 20 years: 180-80 Winning percentage .069 Average wins per season: 9.0

That's not "pretty even" to me.
 
Iowa record over the last 20 years: 145-105 Winning percentage .058 Average wins per season: 7.25
Nebraska record over the last 20 years: 180-80 Winning percentage .069 Average wins per season: 9.0

That's not "pretty even" to me.
Iowa is a little different compared to Nebraska in the state of above average football being played at both places. Iowa will have a poor season and then followed by great season and even a couple BCS games. I'd bet Iowa has had more top 10 or 25 finishes those years and more BCS games.

For me the past 10 years it's looked pretty close but even with a couple of Iowa down years I'd still prefer that and the Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl mixed in.
 
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Iowa is a little different compared to Nebraska in the state of above average football being played at both places. Iowa will have a poor season and then followed by great season and even a couple BCS games. I'd bet Iowa has had more top 10 or 25 finishes those years and more BCS games.

For me the past 10 years it's looked pretty close but even with a couple of Iowa down years I'd still prefer that and the Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl mixed in.

Do a little research and prove with numbers. Instead of "I'd bet" speculation, simply look it up and provide the info if it's true, it's true but guessing and speculating doesn't prove anything except you like to guess.
 
Do a little research and prove with numbers. Instead of "I'd bet" speculation, simply look it up and provide the info if it's true, it's true but guessing and speculating doesn't prove anything except you like to guess.
Here are your exact numbers for past 15 years.

Nebraska Top 25 finishes: 6
Top 10: 0
BCS: 0

Iowa Top 25: 6
Top 10: 5
BCS : 2

So yes just like I said. On average Nebraska has won more games. But Iowa has bigger highs and lows.
 
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You said 20. Let's go back 20
Okay I'll even let ya go back to the hay-day. Lemme throw on my 90s gear first.

Nebraska 25: 10
Top 10: 4
BCS: 4

Iowa Top 25 : 7
Top 10: 5
BCS: 2

This is just showing Iowa has done more recently. But again , it's not too dissimilar past 20 years either.

Again this started as what in the recent past has shown that Nebraska is going fly by Iowa in the upcoming future. And I don't think it's crazy to say it will probably be similar
 
Here are your exact numbers for past 15 years.

Nebraska Top 25 finishes: 6
Top 10: 0
BCS: 0

Iowa Top 25: 6
Top 10: 5
BCS : 2

So yes just like I said. On average Nebraska has won more games. But Iowa has bigger highs and lows.
And personally, I wouldn't find the highs and lows a good tradeoff. There has really been more lows than highs anyway. For us, 9 wins has been sort of the minimum standard of excellence. Compared to that standard, you have exceeded it 5 times and met it once over the last 20 years. That means you've failed to meet it 14 times. Over the same period, we failed to make it to 9 wins just 5 times. From 2010-2014, you failed to make it to 9 wins even once. We haven't had that long a period of futility in 55 years. Basically what you have are a few good seasons, a few really good seasons and a lot of mediocre to bad seasons. There's no way I would trade that for what we have done.
 
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And personally, I wouldn't find the highs and lows a good tradeoff. There has really been more lows than highs anyway. For us, 9 wins has been sort of the minimum standard of excellence. Compared to that standard, you have exceeded it 5 times and met it once over the last 20 years. That means you've failed to meet it 14 times. Over the same period, we failed to make it to 9 wins just 5 times. From 2010-2014, you failed to make it to 9 wins even once. We haven't had that long a period of futility in 55 years. Basically what you have are a few good seasons, a few really good seasons and a lot of mediocre to bad seasons. There's no way I would trade that for what we have done.
Maybe you'll answer this the same for this question. But would you trade the more recent say 10 years of success? I know most Nebraska fans think 9 wins is failing but really to average that is quite good, with how much college football programs can swing( look at Texas.) I'd ask what you remember about those past 10 years averaging the 9 wins and how you perceived them?

Because the past years honestly I do kind of feeling frustrated during a bad season and criticized Kirk Ferentz. But I really remember the couple of great years and the BCS games (because I went to them). If you asked me if I could take away the big bowl games so that a win or two could be added to the average/down year I don't think I would.
 
This is why we must beat Iowa and why I hate losing to them. It gives that pisswater program legitimate bragging rights and inflates their sense of the legacy of their program.

Two years ago in a freezing Lincoln, Armstrong handed Iowa a win on a silver platter in one of the most incompetent displays by an NU quarterback I have ever seen.

Last year was a freaking nightmare watching Iowa sh$t stomp us to the curb. I am convinced that game was the beginning of the end for Banker. Our defense was historically awful against a relatively mediocre Iowa offense.

My point? Nebraska clearly has the vastly superior overall tradition. We have five national title trophies to their zero. We have far, far more conference titles, bowl appearances, bowl victories, overall victories and so on. But until we beat Iowa consistently and soundly none of that matters for squat.

We need to beat Iowa. Period. That is the only thing that will shut them up.

Iowa sucks
 
Maybe you'll answer this the same for this question. But would you trade the more recent say 10 years of success? I know most Nebraska fans think 9 wins is failing but really to average that is quite good, with how much college football programs can swing( look at Texas.) I'd ask what you remember about those past 10 years averaging the 9 wins and how you perceived them?

Because the past years honestly I do kind of feeling frustrated during a bad season and criticized Kirk Ferentz. But I really remember the couple of great years and the BCS games (because I went to them). If you asked me if I could take away the big bowl games so that a win or two could be added to the average/down year I don't think I would.

No Nebraska fan would trade any so called success that Iowa has had, because you've had none. These last 15 years have been a complete disaster for Husker football and you're comparing it to your team. That's funny and sad at the same time.
 
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For people to even compare these two programs is laughable! Iowa fielded it's best team that it ever will 2 years ago. Even that team got it's ass kicked by a good, not great Stanford team. Nebraska has a much better program on every level. The history of championships, tradition, fan support, facilities, and $ generated says it all. I'll give them credit, they kicked our ass the last few years but everyone knows those days are short lived and Nebraska has a huge upside that Iowa just doesn't have. So that's that! Lol
 
Maybe you'll answer this the same for this question. But would you trade the more recent say 10 years of success? I know most Nebraska fans think 9 wins is failing but really to average that is quite good, with how much college football programs can swing( look at Texas.) I'd ask what you remember about those past 10 years averaging the 9 wins and how you perceived them?

Because the past years honestly I do kind of feeling frustrated during a bad season and criticized Kirk Ferentz. But I really remember the couple of great years and the BCS games (because I went to them). If you asked me if I could take away the big bowl games so that a win or two could be added to the average/down year I don't think I would.
To me, one 12 win season where you didn't win the conference championship and got blown out in the Rose Bowl would not at all make up for how crappy the 5 years before it were.
 
This is why we must beat Iowa and why I hate losing to them. It gives that pisswater program legitimate bragging rights and inflates their sense of the legacy of their program.

Two years ago in a freezing Lincoln, Armstrong handed Iowa a win on a silver platter in one of the most incompetent displays by an NU quarterback I have ever seen.

Last year was a freaking nightmare watching Iowa sh$t stomp us to the curb. I am convinced that game was the beginning of the end for Banker. Our defense was historically awful against a relatively mediocre Iowa offense.

My point? Nebraska clearly has the vastly superior overall tradition. We have five national title trophies to their zero. We have far, far more conference titles, bowl appearances, bowl victories, overall victories and so on. But until we beat Iowa consistently and soundly none of that matters for squat.

We need to beat Iowa. Period. That is the only thing that will shut them up.

Iowa sucks
Maybe the problem is you think the other upper level teams care about any of that stuff. Maybe it's because you're still new to the Big Ten. But we will see you in late November, it's probably going to be cold and windy. And the Joe Moore award winning offensive line is going to run off tackle power again, and again , and again. Point being I doubt any of these wins are going to come easy and often. So Nebraska can either embrace the rivalry or it's going to be some frustrating years to come.
 
Maybe the problem is you think the other upper level teams care about any of that stuff. Maybe it's because you're still new to the Big Ten. But we will see you in late November, it's probably going to be cold and windy. And the Joe Moore award winning offensive line is going to run off tackle power again, and again , and again. Point being I doubt any of these wins are going to come easy and often. So Nebraska can either embrace the rivalry or it's going to be some frustrating years to come.
What does being new to the B1G have to do with any of the facts I stated? It is simply a fact that we are one of the top 5 winningest teams of all time. It is a fact that we have five national titles and 3 heaismann winners and multiple Lombardi and Outland winners. Fact that we have way more conference titles, bowl appearances and bowl wins than Iowa. Fact that we have greater fan support.

But by all means... keep telling yourself that those aren't facts and that I am just delusional about our relative traditions because we are "new" to the B1G.

And I can't wait untill that offensive juggernaut known as Iowa shows up in Lincoln this Fall. Lol
 
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What does being new to the B1G have to do with any of the facts I stated? It is simply a fact that we are one of the top 5 winningest teams of all time. It is a fact that we have five national titles and 3 heaismann winners and multiple Lombardi and Outland winners. Fact that we have way more conference titles, bowl appearances and bowl wins than Iowa. Fact that we have greate fan support.

But by all means... keep telling yourself that those aren't facts and that I am just delusional about our relative traditions because we are "new" to the B1G.

And I can't wait untill that offensive juggernaut known as Iowa shows up in Lincoln this Fall. Lol
I'm saying your new and maybe not noticing that it can be a grind. Not many teams can go through the season just destroying all the competition. It will always be tough to get wins against the quality teams. That's why I don't brag about how Iowa is superior to Northwestern. Because I know any time we play Northwestern it is probably going to be a tough and physical football game. Telling them that Iowa has a better weight room than they do means nothing.
 
Give me a break. Trying to bring Nebraska fans back to reality I guess can be called trolling. And I did grow up in Western Iowa so I am a bit jaded.

But for a non-trolling question, you scoffed at Iowa and Nebraska possibly being pretty even the next some years. They have been pretty even the past 20 years, what in your mind shows that they are going to rocket past Iowa the next 10-20 years?
You can't sustain success bringing in 2 and 3 star talent and coaching them up. Kirk can do some amazing things from time to time but he also has more bad seasons mixed in than is acceptable.

Nebraska this year with 15-17 recruits possible (closer to 15 than 17) will finish as high or higher than Iowa in recruiting. We are recruiting at a much higher level than Iowa, even after 12-2 and a Rose Bowl appearance. How in the hell doesn't Kirk capitalize on that in recruiting? We, on the other hand, win the foster farms bowl and bring in more talent because of it.

If Riley is successful here and stays on 5 or more years that means recruiting is great and we are perennial beasts in the west. If Riley fails, maybe we do mirror Iowa, who knows? But to state is as a given is why it's so outlandish.
 
Nonsense. He had to get quality talent to win national championships. Tommie Frazier was a 5 star QB.
Don't be retarded, you can't claim just one guy as his success. He had lots of 2 & 3 stars that were coached up. Walkons, the S&C programs, those players were developed. A few stars here and there, but most of the team was 2 & 3 star guys, and it was year in and year out. Sustained.
 
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Don't be retarded, you can't claim just 1 one guy as his success. He had lots of 2 & 3 stars that were coached up. Walkons, the S&C programs, those players were developed. A few stars here and there, but most of the team was 2 & 3 star guys, and it was year in and year out. Sustained.
It wasn't just one. I only mentioned Tommie Frazier because I remember his exact rating. I added several other players, and there are more than that who were not 2-3 star talent. The idea that his national championship teams were filled with 2-3 star talent is a myth that people nevertheless keep believing. Did they have some? Sure-but he doesn't win national championships without those 4-5 star players.
 
You can't sustain success bringing in 2 and 3 star talent and coaching them up. Kirk can do some amazing things from time to time but he also has more bad seasons mixed in than is acceptable.

Nebraska this year with 15-17 recruits possible (closer to 15 than 17) will finish as high or higher than Iowa in recruiting. We are recruiting at a much higher level than Iowa, even after 12-2 and a Rose Bowl appearance. How in the hell doesn't Kirk capitalize on that in recruiting? We, on the other hand, win the foster farms bowl and bring in more talent because of it.

If Riley is successful here and stays on 5 or more years that means recruiting is great and we are perennial beasts in the west. If Riley fails, maybe we do mirror Iowa, who knows? But to state is as a given is why it's so outlandish.
Because Kirk is stubborn. Iowa had three top 105 kids committed last April but only one signed. He pulled the offer of a top 100 RB from Texas because he visited other schools while committed to Iowa. Kirk doesn't give a rip about star rankings and I'm starting to believe he is correct.

You can't tell me there is a difference between a 5.6-3 star kid and a 5.7 4-star kid. I've noticed on film especially, that Iowa is getting much more athletic the past few years. Kirk recruits for a culture. If you don't fit that culture, you are out. Recruiting isn't Kirk's problem, it's his in game coaching philosophy that allows Iowa to lose to NDSU one week and beat Michigan a couple weeks later.
 
I'll stop with the outlandish statements as soon as you do. Iowa and Nebraska won't differ much in the next couple of decades? Right...

For the record, my beef is more with guys like arbitr8 and Percyland, whose sole purpose on this board is to troll. You come with thought put into your posts. I may not agree with everything you post, but you don't with me either. That's how it is.

I just wish it didn't have to be your other "fans" who can't carry on intelligent conversations.
They annoy me too. I like thoughtful conversations. Just stating 40-10 is not thoughtful at all.
 
You can't sustain success bringing in 2 and 3 star talent and coaching them up. Kirk can do some amazing things from time to time but he also has more bad seasons mixed in than is acceptable.

Nebraska this year with 15-17 recruits possible (closer to 15 than 17) will finish as high or higher than Iowa in recruiting. We are recruiting at a much higher level than Iowa, even after 12-2 and a Rose Bowl appearance. How in the hell doesn't Kirk capitalize on that in recruiting? We, on the other hand, win the foster farms bowl and bring in more talent because of it.

If Riley is successful here and stays on 5 or more years that means recruiting is great and we are perennial beasts in the west. If Riley fails, maybe we do mirror Iowa, who knows? But to state is as a given is why it's so outlandish.
Kirk probably knows nothing about the "star" system, probably barely knows how to use a computer. He looks for kids that will fit the system and work well within in it. I wish he went after the 4 star guys more often but he's stubborn and probably doesn't care. That's why he's been going into Nebraska and stealing guys like Bazata and Ott. Nebraska scoffed at those guys but Iowa saw tough guys that will fit within the system and ended up being good players.

Nebraska will always out-recruit Iowa. But somehow Iowa can put just as many or more players into the NFL. I've said it before, but he 6'0" and 176lb kids out of California don't scare me much when it's a gloomy cold late November day.
 
I'm saying your new and maybe not noticing that it can be a grind. Not many teams can go through the season just destroying all the competition. It will always be tough to get wins against the quality teams. That's why I don't brag about how Iowa is superior to Northwestern. Because I know any time we play Northwestern it is probably going to be a tough and physical football game. Telling them that Iowa has a better weight room than they do means nothing.
All power five conferences can be a grind. Don't flatter the B1G beyond what it is. And since you seem unaware of this I will share it with you: Nebraska had been in plenty of tough and big games long before we joined the B1G. Don't talk nonsense about how shocked Nebraska was to discover that the B1G was ever so much tougher than anything we had seen before.
 
Because Kirk is stubborn. Iowa had three top 105 kids committed last April but only one signed. He pulled the offer of a top 100 RB from Texas because he visited other schools while committed to Iowa. Kirk doesn't give a rip about star rankings and I'm starting to believe he is correct.

You can't tell me there is a difference between a 5.6-3 star kid and a 5.7 4-star kid. I've noticed on film especially, that Iowa is getting much more athletic the past few years. Kirk recruits for a culture. If you don't fit that culture, you are out. Recruiting isn't Kirk's problem, it's his in game coaching philosophy that allows Iowa to lose to NDSU one week and beat Michigan a couple weeks later.
This.

Iowa always confuses me. Terrible one week. Amazing the next
 
This.

Iowa always confuses me. Terrible one week. Amazing the next
Kirk doesn't change philosophies. Brian has been on record as saying he will take a page from Belichek's playbook and game plan each week differently. I'm hoping this stops lesser teams from sticking around. But that they still stay in games against superior talent.
 
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Tom Osborne had a long and successful career doing exactly that.
He also had less restrictive standards as well... prop 48 was huge for us, which is exactly why Texas and white rest of the Bog 12 killed it.

And by the way, we were 9-3 every year, with the occasional breakout season... it wasn't until we went for the best at the skill positions as well that we were almost unbeatable. The triplets in the early 80s, Tommie and company in the 90s. We may have had plenty of 2 and 3 star talent, but we also had plenty of 4 star talent as well. If we only had 2 and 3 star talent, Tom wouldn't have led the huskers to anywhere near the hardware they won.
 
How about since you joined the conference? The bullies of the B1G have won the last 3 out of 4 and the 1 you won had to go in to overtime.

Just saying!
This is proof of your trolling... since we joined we are 3-3. But you wanna focus on only 4.

Keep yapping. It's gonna end soon. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Riley is turning this ship in the right direction... the upside is far greater for Nebraska than for Iowa...
 
After reading some of the thread, I have to laugh at the Herky fans. While they brag about being in the Rose and Orange Bowls the last 8 years they fail too point out that they have won only one BCS or Major bowl game since the 1958 Rose Bowl.... RollingLaugh

Case closed.
 
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He also had less restrictive standards as well... prop 48 was huge for us, which is exactly why Texas and white rest of the Bog 12 killed it.

And by the way, we were 9-3 every year, with the occasional breakout season... it wasn't until we went for the best at the skill positions as well that we were almost unbeatable. The triplets in the early 80s, Tommie and company in the 90s. We may have had plenty of 2 and 3 star talent, but we also had plenty of 4 star talent as well. If we only had 2 and 3 star talent, Tom wouldn't have led the huskers to anywhere near the hardware they won.
But we werent 9-3 every year. Youre wrong. Again.
And we also didnt play 12 regular season games with arkansas state mixed in.
Also, mike rozier was not recruited heavily out of high school but nebraska was on him. Solich. After coffyville he was already set on nebraska due to early relationships.
And Irving fryar was a tight end who was recruited by nobody except arizona coming out of high school. Solich found him.. So you are wrong. Again.
 
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