I don’t trust the info Lawrence is getting from the university. And I don’t trust his willingness to contradict that info. There is literally not one publication or source from outside of this state that thinks we are a top NIL school, not one.
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I don’t trust the info Lawrence is getting from the university. And I don’t trust his willingness to contradict that info. There is literally not one publication or source from outside of this state that thinks we are a top NIL school, not one.
I have said this before and will pose the question here. If you were in the position to contribute 7 figures to the program what would you rather do. 1. Give it to NIL where you get maybe 1 or 2 players for at most 3 years or 2. Give it to the university to use for the betterment of all the players, of all the sports, and/or for stadium upgrades that will impact 10s of thousands for years to come?
I know I fall on the side of helping many for a longer time than helping a couple for a sort time and I think most of the deep pocket donors feel the same way.
I think that there are some things that cost you your soul, even if you have a short term gain. Getting into bidding wars over 18 year olds who have proven nothing is one of those things. This is VERY different than say the MLB, NFL, NHL, or NBA draft.
The pro leagues have an income stream based on a distinct overall income model. They share revenue and they have a draft. They don't just go out there and bid up every prospect against every other school, which precisely the result of NIL. It's not about a player who's become famous, then making some money with his/her name popularity. Rather it's colleges and their boosters paying players up front under the weak notion that they may some time in the future become popular and have value. It's as predicted, laundering booster money to players through NIL to get them to come to your school.
I would go with a 3rd option. Give the money to a city or county food bank managed and invested in a manner that the local food bank system is always there to help make sure that struggling people have enough to eat. That kind of trumps a Tesla for a freshmen football player.
Another thought, you shouldn't want to win football games this bad.
we have, to teams that were paying their athletes. Been going on forever. It's just LEGAL now, so other teams who hadn't been engaging in the practice now are. We're still not, inexplicably. Kentucky. Maryland. Duke. COLORADO.
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yeah, I know. Seems extreme, but 'splain me a better way to draw talent. It's become PRETTY OBVIOUS to me that the Nebraska fanbase isn't capable or isn't willing to pay for athletes like other comparable schools are.
If our teams success is tied to whether or not a bunch of older fans like me will contribute to bribing a bunch of 18 y/o kids in high school to come to my favorite team, and or bribing a bunch of kids who want to quit on the team they comitted to out of high school because they are looking for a better pay day now, we're screwed. NIL sucks and I'll proudly have that put on my headstone. Call me whatevs...don't care. NIL is the worst investment and individual could ever make with their money...now if a business wishes to pay that kid to rep their biz I could see some value in that. DeColdest and the HVAC company made sense...I get it...but he also quit the team right after he did it so what did it really benefit that company, who's name escapes me.
I hate it, too... but what's effectively happened is that all of these Rich Schools and/or those with traditionally shady athletic departments, programs that've been effectively paying their players for decades, buying elite talents in exchange for SUCCESS on the field (#ReggieBushMattered), have now been given license to do so legally. And they're succeeding.
Nebraska has always prided itself on staying above the fray there, and we've really never been dinged by the NCAA as a result. Yay for us.
THIS HAS BEEN MY ENTIRE POINT - yes, you're correct, WE'RE SCREWED, if we don't adapt as a program. And we've made little to no effort to do so in the last several years. You're now seeing the results on the field, and I'm simply pointing out that this problem is NOT going away, no matter WHO we hire. No matter what type of 'rebuild' they choose to employ. If we don't pay elite talent, they're gonna go somewhere else (we'd be an entirely different program right now with JUST Raiola and Rouse on our team, IMHO). And unless we HAVE elite talent at key positions, any improvement will be measured. A standard deviation, here and there. You can only take a group of 3-star players to a certain level. We can make them 'better' than they've been in recent years with some better coaching and development, but we will NEVER compete with the Michigans, USCs, tOSUs...
It's just Math, fellas. We can adapt, or we can become Obsolete. Footnote of football history. That's our current trajectory.
Two Points to consider.
1. Our problem is not just getting elite talent. We have won no more than 4 games a year since 2016 with 8-9 win talent. Players have not been developed here since Pelili left. Maybe we can only go so far with who we have, but we can go a lot farther than we have.
2. NIL will not survive in it's present state. There will be legislation to kill this shit show within a couple of years. What's going to happen is that the NCAA schools are going to agree at some point soon that while there is no way they can deny a player making his own NIL deal, the schools and boosters will not be able to be involved in it in any way shape or form. It will be a major violation for a school or a booster to facilitate a NIL deal just like funneling booster money to recruits is not allowed. The present environment is unsustainable, and everyone knows it. The schools will do this for their athletic program's survival.
Both valid points, but taking money from pockets from Poor, Disadvantaged Athletes will be the equivalent of taking away Welfare money. You can't take it back once you've given it. BUT I SINCERELY HOPE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS, lol. We can't compete on the same playing field with other teams, if we're not spending comparable money on talent.
I'll disagree on us having '8 or 9-win talent'. Our recruiting classes have consistently been outside the top 25, competing in the Big10, which traditionally has been one of the two most competitive conferences (traditionally). The 30th ranked team talent-wise in the Big 10 doesn't win 8 games. Maybe 6. Underperforming? yep. I'd blame player Apathy, personally.
I wouldn't trust any published numbers from any source. I don't think anyone knows.
And do you think that just because paying players is legal now that there's still not a ton of under the table stuff going on?
And do you think that just because paying players is legal now that there's still not a ton of under the table stuff going on?
I refuse to believe we are top anything in NIL. We don't have a single thing that passes the NIL bullshit test. No great players. No prominent boosters throwing money around. Losing the OT from Stanford. On and on.
It’s quite possible everyone is talking past each other about rankings. Nebraska is one of the few schools making an effort to spread NIL across the AD and not just shove it all into football.
So on one measure we may be on some lists of the top NIL programs. But on other lists, we may not be because we clearly aren’t paying anyone near a million bucks to play QB.
So on one measure we may be on some lists of the top NIL programs. But on other lists, we may not be because we clearly aren’t paying anyone near a million bucks to play QB.
Agreed. Nebraskans of any generation are not going to shovel money into a bottomless pit of can’t miss 18 year olds.
Freshman I get. But portal players are where it's at. You can pay proven players.
I personally think it's being mismanaged. 40,000 paying $20 a year could pay for a chunk of a good qb. But I've never been solicited. They should be soliciting donations from season ticket holders.
Another remedy? Go back to what made Nebraska unique. Run an offense that features great RBs, Stout lines, and a QB that is athletic but the other big boys don't want because he isn't a pro style QB.
How much are you chipping in for our players to drive new trucks? Lets hear it.
I love the idea...if somebody else wants to pay for it. Are you that guy?
Nearly 400 million dollars has been donated to facilities which, of course, is the donors choice but we aren’t prioritizing talent acquisition
everyone of utahs scholarship players was just given a $61,000 company car
OK?? That isn't what I asked though. I want to know what each poster who is claiming how behind the times we are is contributing to NIL.
Don't disagree with anything you said but i'm going to assume the powers that be...and our donors....know what is needed and the people with the cash don't want to spend it bribing teenagers they don't know with new cars....and I don't blame them.
I was going to gracefully bow out of the discussion
… because talented players are more often than not choosing money over anything else. Not all, obviously, but certainly most. Am betting Carter Nelson got better offers. Guaranteed he did, chose to stay here. He’s an outlier.
‘What made us unique’ was being able to run the ball down people’s throats… BECAUSE WE HAD MORE TALENTED ATHLETES. ‘Roided up or not, they were just bigger, faster, and more capable. The reverse of what we saw Saturday.
I saw em just like everyone else, sat in the student section from ‘93-99. The difference is TALENT. Pure and simple.
Those days are gone. Those big ‘unique’ athletes are now being paid better by other schools.
All fine and good. You just need to realize and accept that those players will be playing for other schools. And we’re not just talking 5-stars…
Am guessing it’ll be like the IRS and income tax… top 5% of income-earners pay, what, 85-90% of all collected by the IRS? Top 1% like 50%? Bottom half pays zero or close to it… NIL is very much the same.
We’re losing the vast majority of the top 10% of prospects, both outta HS and from the transfer portal because of this, like from the very get-go.
‘Math’. Not hard to understand why we suck… it takes just a little more thought to understand why we’re gonna continue to, until our fanbase changes.
….And the purpose for this thread. YOU would obviously oppose it, but if there’s ONE state that’d pass a bill designating tax money to an NIL fund, if that’s even remotely legal (no clue, why I asked), it’d be Nebraska. Nebraskans have nothing else in the state. Husker football’s literally the only big thing. You wouldn’t, but a majority might. Either way, MONEY Is the only we’re gonna be relevant again.
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If it ever made it onto a ballot it would lose bigly...wouldn't even be close.
I'm all for payimg for the best talent, but not with my money. If a rich donor wants to buy us a title then hell yeah...but i'm not comfortable telling others they should spend money on that. I am curious how much somebody like you donates to the NIL though?
....and i've come to grips with the idea we might not be great again. Hope we are. Rooting for it...
If @Tetonia is calling for the govt to intervene I can bet you dollars to donuts he believes his 200th row season tix he’s spending a relative pittance on are more than enough
Typical
Here's the white elephant in the room that people don't want to admit to or cannot grasp now.....it doesn't have to even be on a ballot. Anyone can contribute to it right freaking now. 100% legal. So you know how I know it would get shot down? Because individuals aren't doing it now....I think everyone thought other people would do it but they weren't willing to themselves...
This is the same state that voted T.O. out of office in case anyone forgot. No way they'd pass NIL.
Yep
Being a miserly penny pincher is somehow still held in regard amongst our Greatest Fans in College Football
Our best bet is someone on this board earning his way to billionaire status, which, given the intellectually bereft dullards who fancy themselves amongst the hardest of core, is less likely than pigs flying out of my ass at kickoff on Friday
Zero. Are they raising money for something like this? If I knew what the vision was, sure, I'd throw a little money in.
That's the point of NIL. Someone else comes up with the brilliant idea and solicits donations. That's cutting edge by Utah. I haven't seen us do anything like this.
Of course not
Matt Davidson is in charge for gods sake
We aren’t serious about anything except lining the admin’s and uni’s pockets
Our NIL seems to have zero communication with the regular fans. If they want to raise money for something like Utah just did then maybe they should say so. I just searched my email. I have zero communication from any Husker NIL Initiatives.
It’s sad that when it comes to paying players we were far more competitive with the top programs in the 70s-80s-90s when it was illegal than we are now
I would like to disagree with you but everything regarding our product on the field is so bad that I can't.
Not true. It's advertised. If a fan doesn't have any idea what or how it works they are a moron.
