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It's called delaying the inevitable, or how it was sold to you "flattening the curve".
I dont want to get into the whole mask topic but I thought I would share this:

A friend of mine on Facebook posts 3 or 4 times a day about wearing them. Yesterday I asked when it would be safe enough that it would be a thing of the past. His response: linked me to an article from somebody at Oxford that said we need to wear them until there isn't a single case left in america, followed up with the typical "you just want people to die if you don't wear a mask" shtick. No point in engaging in the conversation at that point but it goes to show how extreme this has gone. The irony is that this guy is as antifa as you can get but also wants a nationwide mandate on wearing masks until there are literally zero cases.
 
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That is the goal
Bigger State government Bigger Confrence government followed by Bigger Fedral government. Get in line sheep and follow the sheep. All cattle will be slaughtered.Marxism ant it a btch. Your university’s presidents are embracing this CP wake up people. Fire Warren now.
 
Something with a .03% kill rate has managed to morph into a 1000% economic kill rate. Good job guys. Hope you're happy.
im not really disagreeing but furloughs and temporary salary cuts are not economic killers. They are temporary.
your description of a 1000% kill rate is an exaggeration. the vast majority of businesses in lincoln will survive or will be replaced in a very short time and Nebraska sports will reappear in less than a year. Everything is not going away permanently. the doom and gloomers about businesses are just as bad if not worse than the doomers about the virus.
 
Bigger State government Bigger Confrence government followed by Bigger Fedral government. Get in line sheep and follow the sheep. All cattle will be slaughtered.Marxism ant it a btch. Your university’s presidents are embracing this CP wake up people. Fire Warren now.
wow talking about sheep. i've never heard of a bigger sheep than you. scared of something that doesn't exist.
 
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Support the businesses anyways? You mean the ones that governments shut down/banned? Or you mean all the factories that are halting operations themselves? I know two people very close to me who are machinists for different shops who make parts for John Deere and other large corporations like that and they’re getting hours cut left and right. That’s not lack of demand, it’s factories shutting down.
their hours are cut because of lack of demand. they wouldn't shut down factories if there was high demand
 
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How are Americans to lazy to adapt? The government can’t continue to print money, just ask 1930 Germany how that worked. People have bills and mortgages to pay those don’t just disappear. Imo the biggest mistake was letting non elected officials to make decisions. The country should have never shut down.
newsflash to people who like to turn everything into politics. There was probably NOTHING that could be done to significantly change what has happened. People act like they know what the right answer was. You dont. Nobody does. There probably isnt one. this thing is so contagious that it will lay waste to any good plan. so get over yourself you're not smarter than the top infectious disease doctors in the world. this virus was not going away and keeping businesses open would not have made a difference. people would not have visited the businesses with infection rates double what they have been. every scenario is a mess. Clue to self: most of us are dumbasses with an opinion. Thats it. Dont make yourself out to be a community health expert or economy guru. your not
 
im not really disagreeing but furloughs and temporary salary cuts are not economic killers. They are temporary.
your description of a 1000% kill rate is an exaggeration. the vast majority of businesses in lincoln will survive or will be replaced in a very short time and Nebraska sports will reappear in less than a year. Everything is not going away permanently. the doom and gloomers about businesses are just as bad if not worse than the doomers about the virus.
May not be economic killers but they didn't need to happen. Neither did most of the last 6 month shut down.
 
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Something with a .03% kill rate has managed to morph into a 1000% economic kill rate. Good job guys. Hope you're happy.

You're still attempting to float this horsecrap? When are you going to open a book or clinical article and learn? Right now the Coronavirus has a 31 times greater chance of killing a member of the public if he/she contracts it vs contracting the seasonal flu. This is why responsible people are wearing masks.
 
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You're still attempting to float this horsecrap? When are you going to open a book or clinical article and learn? Right now the Coronavirus has a 31 times greater chance of killing a member of the public if he/she contracts it vs contracting the seasonal flu. This is why responsible people are wearing masks.

Follow the science:

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...eZsZF-iHrpTuX2PprS8FnkKGUpEUDEIAnH6s5wQOpkOJI
 
You're still attempting to float this horsecrap? When are you going to open a book or clinical article and learn? Right now the Coronavirus has a 31 times greater chance of killing a member of the public if he/she contracts it vs contracting the seasonal flu. This is why responsible people are wearing masks.

I think you have a hard time accepting science.

https://reason.com/2020/05/24/the-c...a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-below-0-3/


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
 
Follow the science:

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...eZsZF-iHrpTuX2PprS8FnkKGUpEUDEIAnH6s5wQOpkOJI
The whole thing with the masks and COVID is to attempt to prevent direct droplet transmission spread. That supposedly is the most common form of transmission and a cloth mask helps with that. When you wear a surgical mask while doing surgery you're worried more about droplets if you speak or cough than you are about aerosol contamination of a wound. The same is true for COVID. It's not a 100% deal and unfortunately many people view that it is. IMO one negative fact about mask wearing is that it encourages people to ignore the 6 foot rule of thumb for transmission. FWIW, Influenza and COVID are very different viruses morphologically.
 
The whole thing with the masks and COVID is to attempt to prevent direct droplet transmission spread. That supposedly is the most common form of transmission and a cloth mask helps with that. When you wear a surgical mask while doing surgery you're worried more about droplets if you speak or cough than you are about aerosol contamination of a wound. The same is true for COVID. It's not a 100% deal and unfortunately many people view that it is. IMO one negative fact about mask wearing is that it encourages people to ignore the 6 foot rule of thumb for transmission. FWIW, Influenza and COVID are very different viruses morphologically.

Many more negatives than just the 6 foot. No mask wearing at my job, it is optional. No one that comes in the office wears a mask. 1 person still works from home but that was an option allowed also. One of the owners use to be a nurse and we have a former EMT working there also. They went through a big presentation about masks and gloves and why we were doing the policy of making it optional. Medical professionals are trained on proper use of masks, removal, disposal, etc and one mess up totally negates any positive effects and actually exacerbates issues.
 
the athletes should get to decide whether or not the training table stays or goes ... each athlete can assess the relative individual importance of the training table to their individual needs and decide for themselves

how was this decision made?
was there a vote - who voted and how?
were the players and their parents consulted on this decision?

which employees got furloughed? shouldn't these employees ultimately get to decide on their employment status and only if they agree get furloughed?

the athletic budget - with line for line expenses needs to be published along with how the massive revenues over the last 5-10 years were spent - where is the transparency?
The athletic dept, Moos I presume, made that decision. Chits for weekend meals are still offered. Those living in dorms get dorm food.
 
Follow the science:

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...eZsZF-iHrpTuX2PprS8FnkKGUpEUDEIAnH6s5wQOpkOJI

Your information is dated..

"Why did the CDC change its guidance on wearing masks?

The original CDC guidance partly was based on what was thought to be low disease prevalence earlier in the pandemic, said Chin-Hong.

“So, of course, you’re preaching that the juice isn’t really worth the squeeze to have the whole population wear masks in the beginning – but that was really a reflection of not having enough testing, anyway,” he said. “We were getting a false sense of security.”

Rutherford was more blunt. The legitimate concern that the limited supply of surgical masks and N95 respirators should be saved for health care workers should not have prevented more nuanced messaging about the benefits of masking. “We should have told people to wear cloth masks right off the bat,” he said."

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
 
Follow the science:

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/2...eZsZF-iHrpTuX2PprS8FnkKGUpEUDEIAnH6s5wQOpkOJI

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
 
The whole thing with the masks and COVID is to attempt to prevent direct droplet transmission spread. That supposedly is the most common form of transmission and a cloth mask helps with that. When you wear a surgical mask while doing surgery you're worried more about droplets if you speak or cough than you are about aerosol contamination of a wound. The same is true for COVID. It's not a 100% deal and unfortunately many people view that it is. IMO one negative fact about mask wearing is that it encourages people to ignore the 6 foot rule of thumb for transmission. FWIW, Influenza and COVID are very different viruses morphologically.
I see everyone wearing a mask because it's the law in my state. But I do see some who have the mask covering their mouth but pulled down so it doesn't cover their nose.
 
May not be economic killers but they didn't need to happen. Neither did most of the last 6 month shut down.
There are factories that are not producing because of a shortage of parts produced overseas (China). This is one reason there is a shortage of appliances. I volunteer at a Habitat Restore. We usually buy new appliances that have been damaged for resale. We can't get any new appliances because of the parts shortage. Political - Covid I'll let you make the call.
 
Pretty much this. I've mentioned here before, Americans have been to stubborn and arrogant to stave this thing off. While a lot of the world is out caring about the person next to them, spoiled Americans are worried about themselves and their "rights".

Imagine how much we could accomplish if everyone would just give up their rights.

GTFO of here commie.
 
Your information is dated..

"Why did the CDC change its guidance on wearing masks?

The original CDC guidance partly was based on what was thought to be low disease prevalence earlier in the pandemic, said Chin-Hong.

“So, of course, you’re preaching that the juice isn’t really worth the squeeze to have the whole population wear masks in the beginning – but that was really a reflection of not having enough testing, anyway,” he said. “We were getting a false sense of security.”

Rutherford was more blunt. The legitimate concern that the limited supply of surgical masks and N95 respirators should be saved for health care workers should not have prevented more nuanced messaging about the benefits of masking. “We should have told people to wear cloth masks right off the bat,” he said."

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent


Man, science changes quickly. One month and the physical laws of the world change completely. Nothing in this article refutes any previous mask studies prior to COVID. A lot of conjecture and not much substance.

"Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive."

Oh boy, that proves it. Masks are the great savior of the world. But wait, I was at a birthday party with 15 other people without masks and one of the attendees tested positive two days later but no one else at the party subsequently tested positive. So, I guess that proves that masks are worthless.


Or this little ditty:

"A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points."

So from this we can maybe assume that masks slow but don't stop spread. But wait, when did those mask mandates actually come in the life cycle of the virus. From everything we know about virus spread throughout the history of the world, they spike fast and furious at the beginning and then growth rate decreases in almost the same fast and furious rate as it accelerated (see chart below). So, we have no idea where on the epidemic life cycle the virus was at when the mask mandates went into effect. So, was this slowdown the result of the normal viral life cycle or the masks. No way to know for sure. Here's the epidemic curve of equine influenza from the 2007/2008 season. Does it look familiar? It should it is the exact same pattern from viral outbreaks throught the history of time; people, horses, any other mammal, it is always the same unless unnatural forces are exerted.


Weekly-epidemic-curve-NSW.gif

But here are a couple of charts from California and Los Angeles County on mask mandates. No correlation that masks reduced the spread of COVID. Without correlation you can not have causation. So from this data, you can prove that masks don't stop the spread of COVID.



 
May not be economic killers but they didn't need to happen. Neither did most of the last 6 month shut down.
you can pick whatever scenario you want to respond to the virus and the economic impact would not have been avoided. there is not great response to it
 
Man, science changes quickly. One month and the physical laws of the world change completely. Nothing in this article refutes any previous mask studies prior to COVID. A lot of conjecture and not much substance.

"Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive."

Oh boy, that proves it. Masks are the great savior of the world. But wait, I was at a birthday party with 15 other people without masks and one of the attendees tested positive two days later but no one else at the party subsequently tested positive. So, I guess that proves that masks are worthless.


Or this little ditty:

"A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points."

So from this we can maybe assume that masks slow but don't stop spread. But wait, when did those mask mandates actually come in the life cycle of the virus. From everything we know about virus spread throughout the history of the world, they spike fast and furious at the beginning and then growth rate decreases in almost the same fast and furious rate as it accelerated (see chart below). So, we have no idea where on the epidemic life cycle the virus was at when the mask mandates went into effect. So, was this slowdown the result of the normal viral life cycle or the masks. No way to know for sure. Here's the epidemic curve of equine influenza from the 2007/2008 season. Does it look familiar? It should it is the exact same pattern from viral outbreaks throught the history of time; people, horses, any other mammal, it is always the same unless unnatural forces are exerted.


Weekly-epidemic-curve-NSW.gif

But here are a couple of charts from California and Los Angeles County on mask mandates. No correlation that masks reduced the spread of COVID. Without correlation you can not have causation. So from this data, you can prove that masks don't stop the spread of COVID.



well you could say that but you dont know because you dont have a large group in LA who did not participate in the mask mandate to compare with. maybe the cases would be ten times higher without the mask mandate. you dont know because it was not part of your study. yes cases went up. but would they have gone up a lot more without the masks? thats the question you can't answer. you could try comparing your chart to a similar city in size over the same period in the same virus state who did not use masks and see what happened there just to eye ball it. but you can't make mask conclusions on your chart alone. only that cases did not go down.
 
Imagine how much we could accomplish if everyone would just give up their rights.

GTFO of here commie.
you have given up most of your rights by living here. you agree to talk and behave certain ways almost every minute of every day dictating by our societal norms and punishable by loss of unemployment and imprisonment as well. i think you might be exaggerating the significance of a single virus in your life
 
There was a poster who had all the answers and Bingo was his name-o

clap clap clap clap clap and Bingo was his name-o

He thought himself the smartest guy in the room and Bingo was his name-o

clap clap clap clap - O and Bingo was his name-o

He writes like he is superior to all and Bingo was his name-o

clap clap clap - G- O

You get the point
 
well you could say that but you dont know because you dont have a large group in LA who did not participate in the mask mandate to compare with. maybe the cases would be ten times higher without the mask mandate. you dont know because it was not part of your study. yes cases went up. but would they have gone up a lot more without the masks? thats the question you can't answer. you could try comparing your chart to a similar city in size over the same period in the same virus state who did not use masks and see what happened there just to eye ball it. but you can't make mask conclusions on your chart alone. only that cases did not go down.

That is why I said it proves it doesn't stop the spread. You can't prove anything else with current data that is available. And slow is not always better, especially where viral epidemics are concerned. As long as you don't overrun your healthcare system (which we were nowhere near doing), then slowing the spread is worse because you keep it around longer and it has a higher probability of finding the highly susceptible people than when you let it burn out quickly. So, you actually increase the death rate by intefering in the natural epidemic curve/spread.
 
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you can pick whatever scenario you want to respond to the virus and the economic impact would not have been avoided. there is not great response to it

Yes, but you can minimize the economic impact and not exacerbate the issue. Nothing better than the having a Republic of states as a case study for impacts of responses.

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

I'm fortunate enough to be in Missouri (not St. Louis County) where it was handled fairly way. I was always at work with no masks, partying in parking lots in April and eating in restaurants mask free since the beginning of March. Had Walmart not kicked off their mask mandate sparking all other grocery and department stores to follow suit, life would still be pretty much normal for me. Fortunately, I can go mask free at QT.

From the data we have up to this point we can know that New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts handled it absolutely abysmally.

New York - Unemployment - 15.9% (50/51) Death per Million - 1,694 (2/51)
New Jersey - Unemployment - 13.8% (48/51) Death per Million - 1,807 (1/51)
Massachusetts - Unemployment - 16.1% (51/51) Death per Million - 1,294 (3/51)
 
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Man, science changes quickly. One month and the physical laws of the world change completely. Nothing in this article refutes any previous mask studies prior to COVID. A lot of conjecture and not much substance.

"Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive."

Oh boy, that proves it. Masks are the great savior of the world. But wait, I was at a birthday party with 15 other people without masks and one of the attendees tested positive two days later but no one else at the party subsequently tested positive. So, I guess that proves that masks are worthless.


Or this little ditty:

"A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points."

So from this we can maybe assume that masks slow but don't stop spread. But wait, when did those mask mandates actually come in the life cycle of the virus. From everything we know about virus spread throughout the history of the world, they spike fast and furious at the beginning and then growth rate decreases in almost the same fast and furious rate as it accelerated (see chart below). So, we have no idea where on the epidemic life cycle the virus was at when the mask mandates went into effect. So, was this slowdown the result of the normal viral life cycle or the masks. No way to know for sure. Here's the epidemic curve of equine influenza from the 2007/2008 season. Does it look familiar? It should it is the exact same pattern from viral outbreaks throught the history of time; people, horses, any other mammal, it is always the same unless unnatural forces are exerted.


Weekly-epidemic-curve-NSW.gif

But here are a couple of charts from California and Los Angeles County on mask mandates. No correlation that masks reduced the spread of COVID. Without correlation you can not have causation. So from this data, you can prove that masks don't stop the spread of COVID.




Well that's certainly a lot of words. :Cool: I guess the reason why we have just 4% of the world's population and yet a quarter of the deaths in the world from Covid is because we must be just more prone than the rest of the world to contracting it and dying from it. :rolleyes:

I could post numerous trials that say that masks do reduce transmission, but instead I'll provide you with something where you can see it with your own eyes..

 
Well that's certainly a lot of words. :Cool: I guess the reason why we have just 4% of the world's population and yet a quarter of the deaths in the world from Covid is because we must be just more prone than the rest of the world to contracting it and dying from it. :rolleyes:

I could post numerous trials that say that masks do reduce transmission, but instead I'll provide you with something where you can see it with your own eyes..


Now show the sides
 
That is why I said it proves it doesn't stop the spread. You can't prove anything else with current data that is available. And slow is not always better, especially where viral epidemics are concerned. As long as you don't overrun your healthcare system (which we were nowhere near doing), then slowing the spread is worse because you keep it around longer and it has a higher probability of finding the highly susceptible people than when you let it burn out quickly. So, you actually increase the death rate by intefering in the natural epidemic curve/spread.
i dont know if 100% use of masks by everyone would reduce transmission to 0 or not. i do know that even with mask mandates many of the population are socializing in groups with no masks and only wearing them when they have to get into businesses. So do mask mandates in the real world eliminate the virus? No. They probably slow down the transmission. Would they be more effective if everyone wore them in all social settings instead of only when they enter a business. Probably so.
the mask mandate is probably only incrementally effective because they really are not followed very well. The situations where the virus is most easily passed from one another usually dont involve people not wearing masks. so it may not be the mandate that is the problem. it may be the lack of following the mandate. if you want to argue if people dont follow the mandate then its useless i guess thats probably true
 
i dont know if 100% use of masks by everyone would reduce transmission to 0 or not. i do know that even with mask mandates many of the population are socializing in groups with no masks and only wearing them when they have to get into businesses. So do mask mandates in the real world eliminate the virus? No. They probably slow down the transmission. Would they be more effective if everyone wore them in all social settings instead of only when they enter a business. Probably so.
the mask mandate is probably only incrementally effective because they really are not followed very well. The situations where the virus is most easily passed from one another usually dont involve people not wearing masks. so it may not be the mandate that is the problem. it may be the lack of following the mandate. if you want to argue if people dont follow the mandate then its useless i guess thats probably true

Wash your hands
Cough into your shoulder/elbow.
Stay home when your sick.
Protect the elderly.

K.I.S.S.

That is all you need.
 
Yes, but you can minimize the economic impact and not exacerbate the issue. Nothing better than the having a Republic of states as a case study for impacts of responses.

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

I'm fortunate enough to be in Missouri (not St. Louis County) where it was handled fairly way. I was always at work with no masks, partying in parking lots in April and eating in restaurants mask free since the beginning of March. Had Walmart not kicked off their mask mandate sparking all other grocery and department stores to follow suit, life would still be pretty much normal for me. Fortunately, I can go mask free at QT.

From the data we have up to this point we can know that New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts handled it absolutely abysmally.

New York - Unemployment - 15.9% (50/51) Death per Million - 1,694 (2/51)
New Jersey - Unemployment - 13.8% (48/51) Death per Million - 1,807 (1/51)
Massachusetts - Unemployment - 16.1% (51/51) Death per Million - 1,294 (3/51)
well except you cannot compare any of those states to missouri. there are literally 100,000 significant differences between those states and missouri that would impact all those numbers outside of the way they chose to respond to the virus. you cannot compare in a vacuum.
ask anyone before the virus arrived where it would damage the most irrespective of response and everyone would respond those states as the answer. missouri numbers would be abysmal too if it had all the social, geographic, and economic factors that describe those states. there are too many variables and differences to conclude that 1 thing caused the difference. thats way too simplistic but does fit a political agenda
 
well except you cannot compare any of those states to missouri. there are literally 100,000 significant differences between those states and missouri that would impact all those numbers outside of the way they chose to respond to the virus. you cannot compare in a vacuum.
ask anyone before the virus arrived where it would damage the most irrespective of response and everyone would respond those states as the answer. missouri numbers would be abysmal too if it had all the social, geographic, and economic factors that describe those states. there are too many variables and differences to conclude that 1 thing caused the difference. thats way too simplistic but does fit a political agenda

I agree. So, you agree we can't compare the U.S. to any other country and say we lacked national leadership.
 
There was a poster who had all the answers and Bingo was his name-o

clap clap clap clap clap and Bingo was his name-o

He thought himself the smartest guy in the room and Bingo was his name-o

clap clap clap clap - O and Bingo was his name-o

He writes like he is superior to all and Bingo was his name-o

clap clap clap - G- O

You get the point
I get it. you respond to your negative feelings by attempting to hurt others thereby supposedly getting even. Its a classic teenager phenomenon
 
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