MR just said in the Monday press meeting that TA could have kept the ball on the first play of OT. He had the option and that he probably could of had a nice gain.
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Matt Ryan led Falcons are the top scoring offense in the NFL.
Drew Brees' is second.
Phillip Rivers is third.
Cam Newton is fourth.
Tom Brady is fifth.
I shouldn't have to go any further.
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But I was told that you can't run the option out of the pistol.... weird!
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I'd simply note that Tommy is who he is. I'm not going to bash the guy but his completion percentage the last three games is bad for any QB - let alone a four year starter. . No way around it. And he has certainly had guys open to get thew ball to.
It happens to the best of QBs when they get constant pressure. Games are won and lost in the trenches and our O line worked their tail off but Wisconsin got the best of them a lot. On top of that our DEs in particular got exposed.
You absolutely can't lay it at the feet of the offensive line. They haven't helped but Tommy has missed lots of open receivers and throws all on his own. He doesn't make post-snap reads well, he refuses to step up in the pocket when it's there for the taking, his mechanics are spotty, and he flat out makes poor throws here and there. No doubt he's a warrior. But he's not a very good QB.
He's a great athlete playing QB and we would have been screwed without him. There's a ton of teams that would have loved to have TA this year. I think history will judge TA more favorably than TM. JMHO.
EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been saying this all year as well. A coach can only call so many plays based on the people he has to run them.
Somebody better alert TFrazier to that fact.......
Keep mentioning it all you want. You'd still be wrong. Reality is we do have depth problems on our O-line. You can't just say, "We're Nebraska" and suddenly Bo Pelini's poor recruiting and our injuries on the OL go away.
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Sure. He's the best we have. I don't doubt that. He's also a below-average QB overall.
33 % completion rate over the last three games. 53 % for the year. And the dude is a four year starter.
Mmm you cant go further because the next group is full of mobile QB's and young guys. The group above excluding Cam are old QB's. Almost all of these guys will be gone in 5 years. And Ryan is having a career year. Also 3 out of 5 of your top 5 guys have losing records. Only Brady & Ryan have winning records.
The next set of 6 are all young and the future of the NFL and all have pretty good speed.
- D Carr
- Tygod
- A Luck
- Dak
- Wentz (actually has solid speed)
- Aaron Rodgers (one older guy but still amazing speed)
Only guy with a losing record on the next 6 is Andrew Luck. And truly the only stat that matters in football is wins and losses.
Also note all but 1 superbowl since 2010 has featured at least 1 mobile QB.
Don't want to talk NFL, look at how many mobile QB's are in the top 10 of college football. Bama, Clemson, Louisville, tOSU, A&M, Nebraska. But I guess having a mobile QB has no collation with winning.
Actually, I can. Matter of fact, I'll go top to bottom.
You should watch the NFL.
Falcons - pro style QB
Saints - pro style QB
Chargers - pro style QB
Panthers - dual threat QB
Patriots - pro style QB
Raiders - pro style QB
Cowboys - dual threat QB
Bills - dual threat QB
Colts - pro style QB
Eagles - pro style QB
7 of the top 10 NFL scoring offenses are pro style QB's
Packers - pro style QB
Steelers - pro style QB
Broncos - pro style QB
Chiefs - dual threat QB
Redskins - pro style QB
Lions - pro style QB
Titans - dual threat QB
Cardinals - pro style QB
Bucs - dual threat QB
Vikings - pro style QB
7 of the next top 10 NFL scoring offenses are pro style
Bengals - pro style QB
Dolphins - dual threat QB
49ers - pro style QB
Jaguars - dual threat QB
Browns - pro style QB
Giants - pro style QB
Ravens - pro style QB
Jets - pro style QB
Seahawks - dual threat QB
Rams - pro style QB
Texans - pro style QB
Bears - pro style QB
Time for you to take a break.
You shouldn't have.
AFC East leader - Patriots, pro style QB
AFC North leader - Steelers, pro style QB
AFC South leader - Texas, pro style QB
AFC West leader - Raiders, pro style QB
NFC East leader - Cowboys, dual threat QB
NFC North leader - Vikings, pro style QB
NFC South leader - Falcons, pro style QB
NFC West leader - Seahawks, dual threat QB
Congrats, 2 of the 8 divisional leaders are QB'd by a dual threat guy. Yippee!
I thought the exact same thing and yelled it just to make sure everyone in the room heard me.
D Carr has Speed - Raiders QB. He's been clocked in the 4.59 range at time. So I wouldn't call him a "pro style" QB completely.
If you believe that Houston & Vikes are winning because their QB play, that tells me all I need to know. Brock is terrible and Bigfoot in Minny is starting to show his awfulness.
Where's you comment on college football gramps?
Carr is a pro style. He was listed on Rivals as a pro style. Peyton Manning ran a better 40 than Jaimes Winston and nobody is saying that Peyton or Jaimes should be tagged differently.
You brought up "losing records", I didn't. Don't change the discussion because I'm handing you your ass, son.
You brought up the NFL, not me.
I brought up QB's with speed and QB that win. You can label them however you want. But many of those guys who have labeled as "Pro style" and are winning have speed . The guys like Aaron Rodgers, Luck, & D Carr that you have listed as Pro Style have a ton of speed and are mobile in the pocket. Hell Aaron Rodgers was the leading rusher for the Packers yesterday but he's a "pro-style" QB. Same with Luck but those guys are "pro style" QB. Pretty sure those 2 are faster than most of the guys who have listed as "duel threat" QBs. So yes, the NFL has vastly gone to more athletic QB's. Guys like Brady are not the norm anymore. Look up any NFL draft in the last 5 years. But if you want to label these athletic QB's "Pro-style" and ignore the fact that they can run if need be, then so be it.
And ignore that 6 out of 10 top 10 college football teams have mobile QB's or athletic QB's. Whatever you want to call them
I get it, your a black and white guy. He's either duel threat or Pro-style in your mind. It's just not that way anymore. There are guys that meet in between you know? Guys like Luck & Rodgers who could run the spread and also look crisp in the pocket.
And I brought the truth, which includes 6 of the 8 divisional leaders have pro style QB's.
Not because of his dual threat ability but because defenses are scared shitless of his arm. Seriously, you're trying to argue Aaron Rodgers is a dual threat guy? I mean, seriously?
Packers have no run game right now. I can't believe this is even a discussion.
Rogers is exactly the type of QB you love to find. Very accurate, strong arm, and can also rip off 15-20 yards if you turn your back on him and play man under 2.
I keep talking about the need to have a QB with speed. You keep calling them dual threat QB's. 2 different things. Maybe this is why we are fighting so hard over this. My OP was how Eli has no speed and you need QB's with Speed. You have this vision that I am talking about Jamel Holloway at QB or something. Let me repeat myself. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT A DUEL THREAT QB HERE. I am talking about a QB that can take off and run 15 yards if the secondary has the receivers covered down field. I am talking about a QB that can run a little spread (not a lot) and can run a QB draw from time to time.
More like a hybrid. It's seems like you have a black or white mindset and that wont allow you to see the QB position has more and more hybrids like this. Like you can either be a drop back passer or an option QB or something. That's why I called you gramps and that I do apologize for. That was bush league. I was just frustrated. And yes Aaron Rodgers and Luck do this. More so with Luck and the older Rodgers gets, the less the Packers use it. But they both do have QB draws in their playbook. Both love to throw on the run, etc.
I think that's exactly what the staff is looking for. POB was doing some designed running in HS, but nobody is going to consider him a "running QB."
It allows you to do so much more on offense.
Yes, guys like him, Luck and others. Luck isn't as good but he can hurt a defense with his feet too. Same with Carr and even 5.1 40-yard dash Winston (tabbed a dual threat guy, funnny).
You brought up Eli's decline due to his inability to run, and the NFL is changing away from that type of QB. Neither is accurate, as I politely showed you and everyone else. You then challenged the "scoring offenses" saying I slanted the listing. So, I shared from top to bottom the scoring offenses; which once again deflated your (inaccurate) opinion.
Then you tried the "they're QB's of losing teams" so I listed the divisional leaders and what type of QB's they have.
Any QB can take off for 20, or 10, or 5. Bottom line is, it's about MOVING THE CHAINS. Give me a QB that can read defenses, hit open receivers, progress through the play, step up in the pocket, throw the ball away, run when needed, check out of bad plays, etc, over a guy like we've had for the last several years.
This is so ridiculous of a discussion it's not even funny.
I suspect that was on Tommy, not Langs. #8 was Mannin' Up & I think Tommy thought he could throw a turs and he'd one-hand it.
When you rank a college QB you have to consider other things than his passing percentage. In Tommy's case you HAVE to consider his rushing. A stat less easily quantified is how many sacks he has prevented with his mobility. I would guess that we would have 3 times more sacks given up with anybody else on the roster playing. He's been running for his life behind an O line playing 2 2nd teamers and one 3rd teamer at times coupled with everybody else playing with injuries. JMHO. I realize that Tommy is probably closer to a 55% passer than a 65% passer but I think it is unfair to be too critical of his performance given what he's working behind.
I'm in the guys camp that is effective. I have to agree we are very predictable at times without any deception and that is concerning. Having said that, I wouldn't throw Langs under the bus. He's going to let Tommy run the high risk/high return plays no matter how good or poor the actual completion rate. Just how he rolls. Once Langs gets his guys, I'm hoping he will be more creative on first down.
TA has been on the field all this time because we didn't have a first rate QB to put out there. He plays hard, never gives up, and is solid. And he is durable. Because he's had so many starts he's going to leave with a bunch of records. But he has never been at the level of our best QBs, game to game (and we aren't Quarterback U).
Seems like a certain coaching staff should have hit up some JUCO OL this past recruiting season...but you can never predict the injuries. Can only prepare for the worst. Gotta give credit where credit is due, though. Almost pulling off the win (with all of the injuries at OL) at Wisconsin was pretty impressive.
You only take a JUCO IF you think he is better than what you have and can help you right away. I don't recall any of those guys being out there. On top of that IF you take a JUCO, he would have to learn the offense sufficiently to be able to play the position.
What do you call predictable? I thought we were supposed to be a run first team? So that would mean we run it. My guess is not a person on this board can predict with 90% accuracy what play will be run on any given down including blocking assignments, routes, reads, etc. There is "deception" in blocking, pulling, formations, motion, and a host of other ways so which are you referring too? Tommy chooses to make those long throws, that is where he is comfortable, that is not Langs telling him to go deep every time. Just watch and you will see guys at every level, not just deep. Having someone deep pulls a safety over, I guess that is deception too.
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