Langsdorf a candidate for CFL head coach

[jflores]

But what of this doesnt work. What if Bankers defense is ranked 117th in a year or two and Riley stays with him? So now we have an offense geared to passing instead of running and we are replacing a coach with a guy who is going to run the ball and we have to start all over again.

I believe an AD should set the tone for the program no matter what coach we hire - Some type of power run game is required to be run

If you think the AD is going to force Riley to hire a system that might set up his successor for success, you are on something.

Maybe you haven't bought in, but the current powers that be from the Regents on down are looking for this guy to be successful, not build a life boat for the next guy.

 

[meo1960]

Saw a tweet from one of the Husker beat writers.

I think he'll pass.

 

[jflores]

But what of this doesnt work. What if Bankers defense is ranked 117th in a year or two and Riley stays with him? So now we have an offense geared to passing instead of running and we are replacing a coach with a guy who is going to run the ball and we have to start all over again.

I believe an AD should set the tone for the program no matter what coach we hire - Some type of power run game is required to be run

You probably don't need to be real afraid. The only thing we couldn't run in 2 years if we are that bad, is the QB run game to a degree you'd like. Everyone else from Bryant to Farniok, etc are capable of playing good football. I'm pretty sure Frost can teach POB to hand it off if this all goes south.

 

[Wasker77]

Too a certain extent that is correct but there have been some big blunders this year

• Everyone blames TA for throwing the int's but he has been this way his whole career, Why as an OC would you put a QB like this in a position to fail by throwing so much
• Miami - 1st and 10 in OT and we pass instead of being conservative gets intercepted we lose
• Illinois - why call a run/pass option - pass incomplete clock does not run out we lose
• Purdue - worst rush defense in the confer but we throw the ball 45 times with a back up QB - First confer win for Purdue in three years
• Iowa - backed up inside your own ten - defense had been playing very well but we decide to throw - gets picked and run in for a TD - we lose the game by a TD

I say again what has impressed you guys about Langsdorf - I just do not see it

Red, I am with you on this one. I have seen nothing from Langsdorf to make me think he is going to be successful over the long haul in Lincoln. Has anyone looked up Mike Riley's record coaching against UCLA? I did and he is 3-7 against them. Since he was barely over .500 at Oregon State this isn't much of a surprise. Riley didn't even coach against the better UCLA teams led by Mora his last two years with the Beavers or it could have been worse.

 

[jflores]

Red, I am with you on this one. I have seen nothing from Langsdorf to make me think he is going to be successful over the long haul in Lincoln. Has anyone looked up Mike Riley's record coaching against UCLA? I did and he is 3-7 against them. Since he was barely over .500 at Oregon State this isn't much of a surprise. Riley didn't even coach against the better UCLA teams led by Mora his last two years with the Beavers or it could have been worse.

Good thing he's already talked to Peterson at Washington then. Might get some valuable insight.

 

[barney44]

I would think it was fair to say that Langs is a top 5 QB/OC in the nation right now.

Based on what? With a transitional year I think the offense did surprisingly well but I don't see any drastic turnaround here that would make him top 5.

 

[barney44]

I believe an AD should set the tone for the program no matter what coach we hire - Some type of power run game is required to be run

No way they make something like that a requirement, not fair to any staff. I do think if they want to be successful then they should focus on hiring the guys who believe in the importance of the run game in it's most effective form.

 

[redwine65]

But what of this doesnt work. What if Bankers defense is ranked 117th in a year or two and Riley stays with him? So now we have an offense geared to passing instead of running and we are replacing a coach with a guy who is going to run the ball and we have to start all over again.

I believe an AD should set the tone for the program no matter what coach we hire - Some type of power run game is required to be run

a new defense system, no lb's, a weak corner, and a interception machine putting pressure on our d all year. and despite all that I think our d was coming around the last couple games.
rather not do the coaching musical chairs thing. they get a few years.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

I'm seriously about to get the howitzer out and cause some mass destruction!
Are you SERIOUS!!!!
Langs is a real NFL quarterbacks coach and he decided to come here and help us. We have a quarterback that won't listen to his coaching yet clowns like you want to bang on Langs. Get serious!

He does have a year with Manning so I guess that makes him an NFL QB coach.

 

[SnohomishRed]

If you think the AD is going to force Riley to hire a system that might set up his successor for success, you are on something.

Maybe you haven't bought in, but the current powers that be from the Regents on down are looking for this guy to be successful, not build a life boat for the next guy.

No you are correct - Which is one of the reasons I felt and still feel Riley a bad hire - what NU needs is a power run game with an effective pass game and a top flight defense - When hiring a coach why does this not register with an AD - Wisconsin seems to control this - Other teams also controls this or factor this is on when they are hiring a coach

 

[red rover 70]

Red, I am with you on this one. I have seen nothing from Langsdorf to make me think he is going to be successful over the long haul in Lincoln. Has anyone looked up Mike Riley's record coaching against UCLA? I did and he is 3-7 against them. Since he was barely over .500 at Oregon State this isn't much of a surprise. Riley didn't even coach against the better UCLA teams led by Mora his last two years with the Beavers or it could have been worse.

What kind of spin is this???

2012
September 8th
Ucla- 36
Nebraska - 30

Two weeks later against Mora...

2012
September 22nd
Oregon State- 27
Ucla- 20

Oregon State and Ucla didn't play in 2013 or 2014.

 

[Dean Pope]

There you go with this TA is out to sabotage the team BS - So a player does not listen to his coach - think about this in teacher terms - You have a math teacher and his students are all flunking out, other math teachers seem to do fine but not this one - so what do you do blame it on the teachers students? or maybe you should look at what and how its being taught.

TA - Pass eff - worse, yds/completion - less, comp % - same, more ints, same basic passing yards on more completions

When Fyfe got in he did worse

Offense - Total #37 scoring #45

I ask again what has Langsdorf done that is impressive

A more accurate analogy: The math teacher is teaching one way to solve the math problem and the failing student insists on trying to solve the problem with a different method and continues to get it wrong. The math teacher tries and tries to help the student, but the student insists on doing it his way.

The student fails. Don't blame the teacher.

 

[GretnaShawn]

No I look at the numbers instead of the hype

2014 to 2015

Total offense - #31 to #37 in 2015
Rush - 17 to 71
pass - 80 to 30
scoring - 12 to 45

I do not think #45 in scoring is going to cut it - and no one asked them to completely change the offense this year they decided to go pass happy all on their own. Despite what both Riley and Langsdorf said about playing to strengths

I do not like his offense pure and simple it relies on the pass first and I believe that recipe for failure here - I would love for it to change

Let's take into account that in 2014 Nebraska had an All American RB that carried the team. Ameer can could have made almost any offensive coordinator look good.

This year Nebraska doesn't have that player on the roster. They don't have a player even close to that caliber at RB or QB.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

This would be a huge loss. End of discussion. The offense this year performed well even with turnover Tommy. Get the right QB and look out. The man can coach.

And I am sick of this BS about his play calling. Do I like all of his calls? No! But there is no such thing as calling a perfect game. The man is fallible. Hell, I remember screaming at the TV at some of Osborne's stubborn play calls. And yet he was a genius.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Langs was already demoted from play calling duties once by Riley. He may see the writing on the wall again. I would much rather have Riley call the plays...just like most Oregon State felt as well. The genius of Osborne was not play design but rather how he used the plays to set up other ones. This is what Riley was known to do at OSU. There wasn't one game this year when it appeared that Langs was setting anything up. Combine that with bizarre third and short calls, and I would not be all that sad to see him go.

 

[otismotis08]

So TA and DL get a month together to work on his decision-making abilities, what progressions mean, stepping into throws, which team is which, etc.

How much improvement will we see against UCLA?

 

[Tulsa Tom]

A more accurate analogy: The math teacher is teaching one way to solve the math problem and the failing student insists on trying to solve the problem with a different method and continues to get it wrong. The math teacher tries and tries to help the student, but the student insists on doing it his way.

The student fails. Don't blame the teacher.

I know some teachers like this. "I just had bad students but I did an excellent job in every area."

 

[Jimmy Frank]

I don't think he would take a gig. I think they have goals, he could still be with the Giants.

 

[jlb321]

Riles is 62 .. there has to be some thought as to the succession plan amongst him, his staff and our AD
Langs is a big part of that plan
they have to start winning at a pretty good clip for those plans to come to fruition

 

[meo1960]

A more accurate analogy: The math teacher is teaching one way to solve the math problem and the failing student insists on trying to solve the problem with a different method and continues to get it wrong. The math teacher tries and tries to help the student, but the student insists on doing it his way.

The student fails. Don't blame the teacher.

Both teacher & student take the same test one year apart. The teacher scores 57 on the same test the student scored a 94 on, the previous year. Student wonders if teacher is going to continue to shove his new methods down students throat.

 

[timnsun]

I know some teachers like this. "I just had bad students but I did an excellent job in every area."

So you're saying what Dean suggested isn't possible? Yeah, teachers and profs aren't perfect, but students aren't either.

I love that it absolutely has to benonenor the other. Either Langsdorf is a bad teacher or Tommy is a bad student. Is it possible that the fault lies somewhere in the middle?

I have no doubt in my mind that Langsdorf has attempted to teach Tommy in ways that has worked in the past for other qbs under his tutelage. If his were not the case he wouldn't have been coaching in the NFL. But I also believe that, eventually, Langsdorf should recognize his QB struggles to carry out what he should be doing... Langsdorf could change too.

Problem solved. Both could do better. But I don't agree that Langsdorf should go. That just doesn't make sense to me given what I've seen. Like Pennsy said... No one calls the perfect game. But the potential is there for Langsdorf in my opinion.

 

[timnsun]

Riles is 66 .. there has to be some thought as to the succession plan amongst him, his staff and our AD
Langs is a big part of that plan
they have to start winning at a pretty good clip for those plans to come to fruition

Riley is 62...

 

[timnsun]

Both teacher & student take the same test one year apart. The teacher scores 57 on the same test the student scored a 94 on, the previous year. Student wonders if teacher is going to continue to shove his new methods down students throat.

What? I guess you're right... New methods be damned! 9-4 beats 5-7 so it's obviously a better method!

 

[Tulsa Tom]

So you're saying what Dean suggested isn't possible? Yeah, teachers and profs aren't perfect, but students aren't either.

I love that it absolutely has to benonenor the other. Either Langsdorf is a bad teacher or Tommy is a bad student. Is it possible that the fault lies somewhere in the middle?

I have no doubt in my mind that Langsdorf has attempted to teach Tommy in ways that has worked in the past for other qbs under his tutelage. If his were not the case he wouldn't have been coaching in the NFL. But I also believe that, eventually, Langsdorf should recognize his QB struggles to carry out what he should be doing... Langsdorf could change too.

Problem solved. Both could do better. But I don't agree that Langsdorf should go. That just doesn't make sense to me given what I've seen. Like Pennsy said... No one calls the perfect game. But the potential is there for Langsdorf in my opinion.

You bring up Langsdorf's past as a qb coach. I am fine with him in that capacity. But let's look at his past as a play caller. He was already removed from that position once. Riley was known as a better play caller at OSU...nearly every OSU fan will tell you that. I think Riley needs to take back that responsibility and just let Langs focus upon fundamentals and game preparation. If it's call plays or nothing, I would be fine seeing him go.

 

[jlb321]

Riley is 62...

yes .. sorry , meant to convey in 4 years he will be 66 ... thanks for catching

 

[Tuco Ramirez]

I'm not a big fan of Langsdorf (or Riley), but I hope he sticks around. Obviously Riley believes having Langs is the best shot for Nebraska to be successful. I want Riley to have every reasonable tool to make this machine work. If he gets it working, awesome. If not, we can move on with the understanding that he got every opportunity to be successful. I'm not going to tell Riley how to do his job and then bitch when he fails at it.

But for frick's sake, if we give Langs a raise over this, it's time to fire everyone in the athletic department. I'm seriously sick of coaches getting raises or extensions after mediocre results.

 

[SnohomishRed]

You bring up Langsdorf's past as a qb coach. I am fine with him in that capacity. But let's look at his past as a play caller. He was already removed from that position once. Riley was known as a better play caller at OSU...nearly every OSU fan will tell you that. I think Riley needs to take back that responsibility and just let Langs focus upon fundamentals and game preparation. If it's call plays or nothing, I would be fine seeing him go.

Exactly and I never understood Riley in this - You get your chance on the big stage and you then experiment again with playcalling and give these duties away to someone that failed at it previously

This whole thing Langsdorf is a QB whisperer is funny - coaching a Manning is like being a caddie for an Pro golfer - you offer suggestions and opinions but you are not truly coaching

 

[meo1960]

What? I guess you're right... New methods be damned! 9-4 beats 5-7 so it's obviously a better method!

Yeah, Ninety Five Thousand neutral observers noted that the new techniques the teacher was trying to teach the student were more prone to error than the more conservative techniques the student was taught by previous instructor.

Come on man, stick with the analogy!

 

[SnohomishRed]

This would be a huge loss. End of discussion. The offense this year performed well even with turnover Tommy. Get the right QB and look out. The man can coach.

And I am sick of this BS about his play calling. Do I like all of his calls? No! But there is no such thing as calling a perfect game. The man is fallible. Hell, I remember screaming at the TV at some of Osborne's stubborn play calls. And yet he was a genius.

Perfect game - who is talking about that - I am talking about his playcalling directly affecting (adversely ) the outcome of the game

 

[timnsun]

You bring up Langsdorf's past as a qb coach. I am fine with him in that capacity. But let's look at his past as a play caller. He was already removed from that position once. Riley was known as a better play caller at OSU...nearly every OSU fan will tell you that. I think Riley needs to take back that responsibility and just let Langs focus upon fundamentals and game preparation. If it's call plays or nothing, I would be fine seeing him go.

I really have no knowledge about who called plays Oregon State and DL being demoted. No reason for me to dispute that, and with that thought, I wouldn't be opposed to Riley taking over the playcalling.

 

[timnsun]

Yeah, Ninety Five Thousand neutral observers noted that the new techniques the teacher was trying to teach the student were more prone to error than the more conservative techniques the student was taught by previous instructor.

Come on man, stick with the analogy!

When I was in high school 20+ years ago math was my strong suit. Now I can't even help my 8th grade twins half the time because of new teaching methods. Doesn't make the teacher bad, but i suppose you could question his methods if the teaching continues to be misapplied. As a teacher you do, however, hope that the time comes when the light goes on...

 

[SnohomishRed]

I really have no knowledge about who called plays Oregon State and DL being demoted. No reason for me to dispute that, and with that thought, I wouldn't be opposed to Riley taking over the playcalling.

Riley gave Langsdorf the playcalling in 2008 took it back in 2012 I believe - here is an article at OSU talking about his problems at playcalling

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/2010/11/oregon_state_football_you_migh.html

couple of quotes we may find similar to us this year:

"Penalties, poor blocking, mental mistakes, bad decisions by the quarterback and the loss of wide receiver/kick returner James Rodgers to a season-ending injury have turned what was supposed to be a formidable offense into something Riley and Langsdorf can barely recognize at times: OSU is ninth in the Pac-10 and 91st nationally in rushing (125.75 yards per game) and No. 8 in the Pac-10 and 84th nationally in total offense (340.63).
"

"And Langsdorf said he doesn’t stay awake at night wondering why he didn’t give the ball to Jacquizz Rodgers on second-and-three from the OSU 9-yard-line in the last four minutes at UCLA."

 

[donahues17]

Coaching turnover is never good especially after just one year. For anyone who thinks that any of these coaches should be fired or they hope they leave are not looking at things the right way. This coaching staff made many mistakes (in the fans eyes) this year and I am one of those fans.

My biggest game I was pissed about was the Purdue game and lots of people want to bag on Fyfe for it. That is not on Fyfe at all. Sure he threw what? 4 picks. But what coach in their right mind puts in a walk on QB (who earned the back up spot in their eyes) in for his first start, a kid that had played in one other game this year and have him throw the ball 48 freaking times? Against a terrible run defense. These coaches seem to outcoach themselves many times. Stop concentrating so much on beating the other team and concentrate on not beating yourselves. I really think this is what made Iowa so successful this season. They would beat the other team by NOT beating themselves.

If anybody told you before the game that Fyfe would be 29-48 for 407 yards and 4 TD's against Purdue, they would say Nebraska would win that game. Throw in the 4 picks and they would still probably think Nebraska wins that game. To add to the terrible offensive game plan was a defense that struggled when Purdue's QB had a career day and made some great throws.

Another issue I have had with DL is his refusal to take TA out of a game for a series (Iowa game) to calm him down and talk to him a little bit. He is obviously rattled by his mistakes (even though the coaches don't seem to think so as they have said that TA responds well after a turnover). Sit him down, and let Fyfe had the ball off for a series.

 

[GeauxBigRed]

I love Langs offense if we are being honest. I think the lack of running stems from the fact we do not have a all conference running back to lean on. No one on this roster is at a level even close to Ameer, Burkhead, or Helu right now.

Will some things need to change? Absolutely. Is getting a new OC and a new offense to learn what this team and TA needs right now? No.

 

[jlb321]

I love Langs offense if we are being honest. I think the lack of running stems from the fact we do not have a all conference running back to lean on. No one on this roster is at a level even close to Ameer, Burkhead, or Helu right now.

Will some things need to change? Absolutely. Is getting a new OC and a new offense to learn what this team and TA needs right now? No.

not going deny having a stud RB is nice but the offensive line trumps the running back when it comes to running the ball .. now if you have both then you have something

we do not have the offensive line currently to be a power running team ... maybe in 2017 if the young guys develop
I think our running game next year is going to be based out of spread formations rather than power formations .. which brings up the problem of what do you do on 3rd and 3 when your offensive line can't know people off the ball

 

[timnsun]

not going deny having a stud RB is nice but the offensive line trumps the running back when it comes to running the ball .. now if you have both then you have something

we do not have the offensive line currently to be a power running team ... maybe in 2017 if the young guys develop
I think our running game next year is going to be based out of spread formations rather than power formations .. which brings up the problem of what do you do on 3rd and 3 when your offensive line can't know people off the ball

That's easy. Give it to Jano or Cross. Wait…

Hopefully Ozigbo earns the trust of the coaches to be that big back who can pick up the first down.

 

[SnohomishRed]

not going deny having a stud RB is nice but the offensive line trumps the running back when it comes to running the ball .. now if you have both then you have something

we do not have the offensive line currently to be a power running team ... maybe in 2017 if the young guys develop
I think our running game next year is going to be based out of spread formations rather than power formations .. which brings up the problem of what do you do on 3rd and 3 when your offensive line can't know people off the ball

This is the line of thinking this year that is trying to justify the lack of commitment to the run game and frankly I dont buy it

* We do not have the Oline to run - then tell me how this Oline against the two best Dlines they faced MSU and Iowa did better than any other team running the ball

* We no longer have AA our backs are not any good - The backs they played were not that great I will grant you but we have recruited really well in this area - MSU goes on a 22 play game winning drive with a freshman RB yet we have guys that were highly rated that never even see the field - How do we know we did not have a great back on the roster when we dont play anyone unless they are great at pass pro

 

[timnsun]

This is the line of thinking this year that is trying to justify the lack of commitment to the run game and frankly I dont buy it

* We do not have the Oline to run - then tell me how this Oline against the two best Dlines they faced MSU and Iowa did better than any other team running the ball

* We no longer have AA our backs are not any good - The backs they played were not that great I will grant you but we have recruited really well in this area - MSU goes on a 22 play game winning drive with a freshman RB yet we have guys that were highly rated that never even see the field - How do we know we did not have a great back on the roster when we dont play anyone unless they are great at pass pro

Believe it or not, I believe the reason we ran the ball as well as we did this year is because of the threat of the pass. When Tommy is playing well he has the ability to really hurt you. Teams must respect that. At the same time, when teams knew we were going to run, it seemed as if they were able to stop it easier.

Now I'm not using stats in my argument because I don't have any on hand. I am merely sharing my observations. I could easily be wrong.

 

[red rover 70]

I had a chance to sleep on it and collect my thoughts.
First off why does this year have to play out like a political campaign? Riley and his staff chose to come here to help our program. We should allow him to build his team without all the constant venom. Secondly i would prefer a solid ground game too. It's been proven to pay dividends for Nebraska. Now that being said Riley wants to run a pro style that passes to set up the run. That's his choice... if it fails then he'll pay the price with his job. Langs is key to Riley's staff. It allows him to oversee the whole program with being tied down to a position. I can't state how important Langs is to making this work. Everyone has seen that there are plays to be made. We have given up tons of first downs, yards and most importantly points because our quarterback chooses to go throw it deep when all he needs to do is move the chains. Please everyone let Langs and Riley do their jobs.

 

[jlb321]

This is the line of thinking this year that is trying to justify the lack of commitment to the run game and frankly I dont buy it

* We do not have the Oline to run - then tell me how this Oline against the two best Dlines they faced MSU and Iowa did better than any other team running the ball

* We no longer have AA our backs are not any good - The backs they played were not that great I will grant you but we have recruited really well in this area - MSU goes on a 22 play game winning drive with a freshman RB yet we have guys that were highly rated that never even see the field - How do we know we did not have a great back on the roster when we dont play anyone unless they are great at pass pro

vs Iowa Nebraska 3.6 yards per rush -- 137 total yards rushing


vs Iowa:

N texas - 4.1 ypc/183 yrds
Maryland 4.9 ypc/167 yrds
Indiana 5.8 ypc/227 yrds
Minne 4.6 ypc/133
MSU 3.8 ypc/174 yrds
Purdue 3.6/137 yrds


with regards to Iowa you are absolutely correct except for all the teams mentioned above - and the fact that Purdue ran the ball for the exact same numbers as Nebraska did against Iowa