I would also add that I’m a firm believer that schools are one piece of the pie. It’s up to parents at home to teach school too, by sitting down and reviewing homework and practicing problems. Too many people think it’s hands off because the school “has it” and are surprised with crap results. It takes school and parents working together to ensure success.
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Yep!
Pretty much it is like this.
Out of the 100% of parents...90 of them are your nice normal typical parents. They don't bother us, we don't bother them, they stay on top of their kids stuff.
5% don't do anything or care about anything
5% are helicopter parents and PLMs (Parking Lot Moms) that have all the answers and are going to tell you how to do shit.
Yeah, you post 410 times a month and I post 203 times a month,I guess we know who the public educator is.
Public education has been shit for decades. Years ago, there were some good teachers, as there are today, but today, so many educators are so fuvcking burned out, they mostly go through the motions.
RBig, that all sounds good in theory. For every two sets of parents that are involved, I can name 20 that aren't. It's the same as it's always been.
As a parent, i never thought the school "has it", because I frankly think most educators are, "over-educated for their intelligence".
When teachers and school systems continually move students on to higher grades with a 1.5 GPA, they just hand the problem off to the next set of teachers.
Next thing you know, we have a school of 5% real top achievers, 15% of strong students, 30% of average students, and 50% are publicly educated idiots that can't even make change for a $ 5.00 bill. You would think in 13 years of education they would have learned at least that much, with or without parental involvement.
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Agree with your ratios and re-enforces the issue. Feel bad for teachers when the expectation is all on them to educate.
Just so you know RBig, some of my best friends are educators, good people who WANT to educate. Without exception, they are burned out from frustration of not actually being able to teach some of the totally uninvolved kids.
In the school system where I live, at the high school level, kids can come to class and leave whenever they want to. They aren't disciplined or corrected, or counted absent, they are allowed to go on their merry ways. You, myself, and everyone on this board knows, you can't let kids who don't give a shit create that type of an environment in any educational setting. Yet, its allowed to happen.
When a teacher no longer has the ability to maintain decent decorum in the classroom, burn out can happen pretty fast.
I had a female teacher tell me once, "yeah, the Mexicans come up here and knock up all the fat girls and then go back to Mexico." Are you kidding me? There "could be" 10% truth in that, but what about the other 90% of that comment that isn't? That's what I call gossiping about kids.
57 years ago, when I was a 7th grader, my gym teacher always called all the Hispanic kids "tacos", and the chubby girls were "Bessie", i.e. like Bessie the Borden cow. I confronted him in front of the whole class and asked him what gave him the right to demean both the Hispanic kids and the girls who were a bit overweight. He said, "because I'm a teacher." I said, "yeah, I know, why don't tell the Dads of these tacos that, and see what they think?" He didn't like me and I didn't like that racist little prick either.
I had a handful of REALLY good teachers, I also had a boatload of lousy teachers. I think that's the status quo.
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That is not on teachers. Non-teachers created that system. And parents can "sign a waiver" to move their kid on even with failing grades.
Again, non-teachers.
I would say those are just 2 of the many pieces of the pie to have a chance at educational success. It takes teachers, administrators, school board, students, parents, community, teachers unions, and politicians all moving in the same direction. For each piece not in alignment, it takes an extra effort to overcome. It only takes 1-2 of those pieces if they are really sh*tty and it is nearly impossible to come out ahead.
Everything school related during school hours and in the building should be decided by educators, period.
Everything else, by non-educators. Just like no parent would want a teacher showing up to their house to tell them how to parent.
You do.
Unless you live in like, Japan or something.
Their system works...wanna know who is not a part of it???
Sort of
Now, demanding more pay, good.
But, bad teachers never getting "in trouble" because of the union, bad.
My world doesn't have the same high regard for educators as you do. To me, the proof is in the overall end results.
The issue with many educators, administrators excluded, is they got into a career field that if not a well paying occupation.
Then they bitch about not getting paid enough.
That is because old people treated women like shit and thought they did not deserve good pay as teachers
Maybe!
I mean, this is the strongest country in the world with people from literally all over dying to get here.
With all due respect, I don't believe its even close to 90 %of what you would call normal typical parents. I doubt even 50% are on top of anything.
Maybe...I mean, I deal with it everyday and that is what I think.
But, maybe you also deal with and see it differently.
I am just talking about my 20+ years in the field.
I'm 70, so I qualify as an old person.
Most occupations you're paid what you're worth, no different in education. Having said that, administrators are grossly overpaid.
When you have school Superintendents making more in base salary than the President of the United States that's ridiculous.
Well I think that was a government thing, with the Presidents salary.
I mean...what # would you put on it?
If you did a dollar per person he/she should get 300 million a year.... Plus, face it, they all make money on the side, but I get what you are saying.
I don't have 20+ years in whatever field you're in, but I do have common sense and there's nothing in this country where 90% of people are normal people.
Also, 70 is not old...age (like gender, I kid I kid) is fluid.
You are how old you feel.
Yeah there is, that is why this country has worked so well.
The noise you hear is from the crazy 10%
Of for sure!
I think you need to think of it like your neighborhood.
Say you have 100 houses. You MIGHT know 10 of the families. Out of those families you like all but 2....
That is kind of the norm.
You can't base it on student performances because the education field is littered with people who cheat the system to massage the numbers.
Personally, the President should be $ 1 Million a year or more considering the decisions that may have to be made, versus a Superintendent who makes decisions, but by comparison is pre-school stuff.
No.
(I deleted the complete reply because I felt like I was slipping a bit into a political answer, and I'm trying to avoid that so the thread doesn't get shut down.)
I applaud your confidence about educators, but I tend to disagree. If you are talking educators from 40 years for the system, then I would lean toward your opinion. However, “educators “ (teachers, administrators, and teacher unions) have had near total control and influence during school hours the past +/- 40 years and the results are less than stellar as a whole.
In the last 40 years this country has made more advancements in pretty much every field imaginable.
I think what happens is we tend to look at or focus on the stuff we don't like or don't agree with instead of seeing all the amazing things we have done.
We see a blue haired teacher recording her class and telling them that they can be any gender they want and we are like "ALL TEACHERS ARE BRAINWASHING THE KIDS"
That is a fair observation. There will always be successes since there are millions of people in this country and certain circumstances where where all the contributing factors listed in a previous post are aligned. However, the opposite end of the education scale has gotten much worse. When virtually 0 kids in many cities are proficient in basic subjects, that indicates something needs to change.
Yes. This is where we are with social media and the crazy news outlets that are propagating this garbage.
For every blue haired crazy their are a thousand fantastic teachers working hard to educate today's youth..... an ever changing and evolving demographic. What I teach in 6th grade now, is light years beyond what we did in 8th or 9th grade when I was in school.
My students, high school level, do more than I ever did and it is not even close.
The work load they have is insane, they are connected 24/7 to their teachers and classes, unlike most of us when 3pm hit...the day was over. Now, I load up assignments and work for them whenever I want. They go to bed with all their stuff done and wake up to 10 new assignments.
There is no disconnecting anymore. I know most of us love the old "When I was your age...we did so much more" but that just isn't the case.
Add in working part-time and playing club or select sports, these kids are busy.
When I played baseball we had two 1 hour practices a week and a game on the weekend. Now, it is 5 practices a week and 2-3 games. And studying and homework.
I just had students gone in Florida for sports and they were still taking quizzes/tests that were proctored, so that they could stay on top of things.
i complain about the homework my kids are supposed to do. they usually don't do it.
what you've described seems miserable. do you dock points for them not doing assignments?
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