HC - Where are you currently at?

[leodisflowers]

Some on here think if you support Mickey, it’s only a few and they must have multiple user names. I’m Newbie status now but I’ve been on here for awhile. My last username had my actual name in it and asked Rivals to delete it

I only have 1 username, and yes, I fully support Mickey getting the job. Not because of race or that he played QB, but because I think his age and passion for all things Huskers will drive him more than some of the other names

Don’t underestimate his ability to recruit. I also think he can get the assistants to win, and win for a long time

I agree. For me, I want the splash hire, but if we can't get a splash go with Mickey. I truly believe that CFB is 100% a recruiting game and we have one of the best. Yes, there are other studs out there, but Mickey knows the recruiting game and I truly believe he would bring in some other ace recruiters. Development is crucial as well, but you have to get the top tier dudes in here. Our talent eval has been horrible for a long time. Get the dudes in, develop them and the rest will take care of itself.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I agree. For me, I want the splash hire, but if we can't get a splash go with Mickey. I truly believe that CFB is 100% a recruiting game and we have one of the best. Yes, there are other studs out there, but Mickey knows the recruiting game and I truly believe he would bring in some other ace recruiters. Development is crucial as well, but you have to get the top tier dudes in here. Our talent eval has been horrible for a long time. Get the dudes in, develop them and the rest will take care of itself.

cosign, Joseph isn't my choice for head coach, but he needs to be on any staff going forward. I would support his being hired over some of the current head coaches being considered simply because of his emphasis on recruiting and working to get the top talent here.

 

[otismotis08]

Garret Riley, current OC at TCU. Comes from good bloodlines of successful coaching (brother is Lincoln Riley)

and Dad is Mike Riley?
This just keeps getting better!

 

[Redmich]

Is MJs primary value to the program as a lead recruiter or head coach? The 2 roles are very different.

i don’t disagree that at Nebraska recruiting ability is at a premium which is why I would carve out a position with unprecedented pay to keep MJ in that role.

on the ground recruiting and head coaching responsibilities are both a grind and I’m not sure 2 roles are compatible

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

Changing my vote to Meyer, only b/c I think Trev is thinking that level. May not be him, but I think it will be a big name.

 

[dinglefritz]

Tuco, you are correct. It's a mindset, it's who they are.
Their objective Day 1: WIN IT ALL.

At the same time though those guys are few and far between who can actually get to the final game. NOBODY is saying be satisfied with Mike Riley but let’s be reasonable with our expectations for a new coach. It won’t happen over night

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

At the same time though those guys are few and far between who can actually get to the final game. NOBODY is saying be satisfied with Mike Riley but let’s be reasonable with our expectations for a new coach. It won’t happen over night

You must be confusing my point. I never said it will happen overnight. I am saying you hire the dude with vision to get to the ultimate prize. It can take as long as it takes, but typically those guys have quick success because they demand success. They aren't pleased with goals taking a long time to achieve because success comes faster to them.

Again it isn't the name of the coach that I am concerned with. It is 100% the attitude and the expectations of that coach. I want the coach to come in talking about winning titles and doing what it takes to get there. Not some conservative dude coming in talking about taking small steps to get Nebraska to winning Big Ten west division titles.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

At the same time though those guys are few and far between who can actually get to the final game. NOBODY is saying be satisfied with Mike Riley but let’s be reasonable with our expectations for a new coach. It won’t happen over night

They are coaches that hate to lose more than they love to win.
I was one of those coaches for 22 years.

Some coaches coach not to lose.
In competition, they become predictable.

 

[Gary.Busey]

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

They are coaches that hate to lose more than they love to win.
I was one of those coaches for 22 years.

Some coaches coach not to lose.
In competition, they become predictable.

Yes. It’s the old we don’t want to beat ourselves theory. Low penalties, limit TOs
Conservative game planning on offense, zone defense, stop the run first and make the opponent string together 8+ play drives.

 

[Redmich]

You must be confusing my point. I never said it will happen overnight. I am saying you hire the dude with vision to get to the ultimate prize. It can take as long as it takes, but typically those guys have quick success because they demand success. They aren't pleased with goals taking a long time to achieve because success comes faster to them.

Again it isn't the name of the coach that I am concerned with. It is 100% the attitude and the expectations of that coach. I want the coach to come in talking about winning titles and doing what it takes to get there. Not some conservative dude coming in talking about taking small steps to get Nebraska to winning Big Ten west division titles.

There is no question these are the type of coaches we want - I guess the other side of the coin is do these coaches still believe that they can achieve the highest level of success at Nebraska.

Outside of Columbus Ohio the track record of programs north of the mason dixon line extended as far as sustaining elite status isn’t good over the past few decades

while our path to 10-11 wins may easier than Auburns due to the competition but does that translate into an elite team?

maybe one of these alpha coaches sees Nebraska as an easier path to 10 wins given the conference with the hope they can then bolt for a national championship contender

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

There is no question these are the type of coaches we want - I guess the other side of the coin is do these coaches still believe that they can achieve the highest level of success at Nebraska.

Outside of Columbus Ohio the track record of programs north of the mason dixon line extended as far as sustaining elite status isn’t good over the past few decades

while our path to 10-11 wins may easier than Auburns due to the competition but does that translate into an elite team?

maybe one of these alpha coaches sees Nebraska as an easier path to 10 wins given the conference with the hope they can then bolt for a national championship contender

But do "we" want them? No offense but Leipold and Klieman are the basically the same age as Urban Meyer. Yet that is who many are clamoring for.

There is no doubt it is more difficult to sustain success, but it can be done. Michigan, Notre Dame, Oregon and others have had success. Is it really any more difficult to sustain success here than it is at Ole Miss or anywhere else south of the Mason Dixon outside of Tuscaloosa or Clemson? Florida has struggled, Texas, and others.

I am not saying that we need to be in the CFP every year, that is nearly impossible. But we should be able to compete with the East or the best teams in the league for a berth in a 12 team playoff. Right now, the west is so far outclassed in the Big Ten title games that the league is looking to do away with divisions.

I just don't believe that guys like Leipold or Klieman are going to get us to that level. Their personalities are just too conservative.

 

[king_kong_]

Ferentz was close to winning the B1G in 2015.

Many are saying that loss in the B1G title game is the biggest win of frerntz’s career

 

[Yantzeee]

Is MJs primary value to the program as a lead recruiter or head coach? The 2 roles are very different.

i don’t disagree that at Nebraska recruiting ability is at a premium which is why I would carve out a position with unprecedented pay to keep MJ in that role.

on the ground recruiting and head coaching responsibilities are both a grind and I’m not sure 2 roles are compatible

Well you might want to ask Dr Tom, Urban, or Nick about that cause I’d bet my bottom dollar they’d disagree. If you have better talent, it’s easier to be a Head coach. If your talent sucks, it’s hard to win games. Talent is a must for a HC.

Head coaches today are mentors. Head coaches manages both assistant coaches and players. Also a motivator and a visionary. He’s not an X’s and O’s guy. That’s the coordinators job but keep in mind it’s HC’s job to manage that Coordinator and it’s the coordinators job to carry out the vision of the HC.

Mickey doesn’t have his vision set in place. That comes in the off-season. This isn’t his administration. The one administration move he’s made with Bill @ DC & the defense has shown tremendous improvement. The move to roll with Chubba on Saturday was what Whipp wanted and Mickey used the opportunity to allow Mark to sink or swim. Mark is toast now. Don’t expect that to happen again. Mickey wanted Logan. But Mickey is the type of coach that will trust his assistants to make the right choice. That’s his MO. And he didn’t get to choose is OC but he allowed him to make that call. Again don’t expect that to happen this week. Whipp cut off his own arms

 

[Redmich]

Well you might want to ask Dr Tom, Urban, or Nick about that cause I’d bet my bottom dollar they’d disagree. If you have better talent, it’s easier to be a Head coach. If your talent sucks, it’s hard to win games. Talent is a must for a HC.

Head coaches today are mentors. Head coaches manages both assistant coaches and players. Also a motivator and a visionary. He’s not an X’s and O’s guy. That’s the coordinators job but keep in mind it’s HC’s job to manage that Coordinator and it’s the coordinators job to carry out the vision of the HC.

Mickey doesn’t have his vision set in place. That comes in the off-season. This isn’t his administration. The one administration move he’s made with Bill @ DC & the defense has shown tremendous improvement. The move to roll with Chubba on Saturday was what Whipp wanted and Mickey used the opportunity to allow Mark to sink or swim. Mark is toast now. Don’t expect that to happen again. Mickey wanted Logan. But Mickey is the type of coach that will trust his assistants to make the right choice. That’s his MO. And he didn’t get to choose is OC but he allowed him to make that call. Again don’t expect that to happen this week. Whipp cut off his own arms

Where anywhere in my post did I state or imply talent wasn’t important

my point was you need your best recruiters out there recruiting not administrating

john Blake is in the hall of fame of college recruiting but was a terrible head coach

 

[HuskerHusaria]

I am resigned to knowing that I won't get my coach.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Where anywhere in my post did I state or imply talent wasn’t important

my point was you need your best recruiters out there recruiting not administrating

john Blake is in the hall of fame of college recruiting but was a terrible head coach

John Blake failed as a head coach mostly because he listened to the admins and former players and such that wanted OU to go back to the way Barry did it. Then at the last minute decided against it. The level of player that Bob Stoops inherited from Blake was ridiculous. The defense, under Rex Ryan the last year was like top 10 in the nation. Stoops came in, changed the offense and boom national title two years later.

Blake went 3-8, 4-8 and 5-6 in his 3 years. Not awesome but improved and clearly talented. Definitely not the adjunct failure some make it out to be.

 

[Redmich]

John Blake failed as a head coach mostly because he listened to the admins and former players and such that wanted OU to go back to the way Barry did it. Then at the last minute decided against it. The level of player that Bob Stoops inherited from Blake was ridiculous. The defense, under Rex Ryan the last year was like top 10 in the nation. Stoops came in, changed the offense and boom national title two years later.

Blake went 3-8, 4-8 and 5-6 in his 3 years. Not awesome but improved and clearly talented. Definitely not the adjunct failure some make it out to be.

Respectfully disagree

i would definitely consider 3-8, 4-8 and 5-6 at a place like Oklahoma adjunct failures

OU hadn’t had a losing season since 1965 and hasn’t had a losing season since Blake was fired

The only 3 losing seasons OU has had in the last 57 years all belong to Blake

 

[HuskerHusaria]

I really hope Lane wants to come home

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Respectfully disagree

i would definitely consider 3-8, 4-8 and 5-6 at a place like Oklahoma adjunct failures

OU hadn’t had a losing season since 1965 and hasn’t had a losing season since Blake was fired

The only 3 losing seasons OU has had in the last 57 years all belong to Blake

Well Schnelly left after 1 year of 5-5-1, and a trail of whiskey bottles and players in his wake. That job wasn't the same OU job that Switzer left for Gibbs.

 

[moralvictories]

Well Schnelly left after 1 year of 5-5-1, and a trail of whiskey bottles and players in his wake. That job wasn't the same OU job that Switzer left for Gibbs.

Even drunk Schnelly didn't have a losing record.

 

[BleedRed78]

Well you might want to ask Dr Tom, Urban, or Nick about that cause I’d bet my bottom dollar they’d disagree. If you have better talent, it’s easier to be a Head coach. If your talent sucks, it’s hard to win games. Talent is a must for a HC.

Head coaches today are mentors. Head coaches manages both assistant coaches and players. Also a motivator and a visionary. He’s not an X’s and O’s guy. That’s the coordinators job but keep in mind it’s HC’s job to manage that Coordinator and it’s the coordinators job to carry out the vision of the HC.

Mickey doesn’t have his vision set in place. That comes in the off-season. This isn’t his administration. The one administration move he’s made with Bill @ DC & the defense has shown tremendous improvement. The move to roll with Chubba on Saturday was what Whipp wanted and Mickey used the opportunity to allow Mark to sink or swim. Mark is toast now. Don’t expect that to happen again. Mickey wanted Logan. But Mickey is the type of coach that will trust his assistants to make the right choice. That’s his MO. And he didn’t get to choose is OC but he allowed him to make that call. Again don’t expect that to happen this week. Whipp cut off his own arms

I hope you're right

 

[Lincoln100]

Lock him up!!!!!

 

[Pete Malloy]

I'm perplexed as to why Turner Gill's name hasn't been mentioned in the mix. He probably should have gotten the job a few years back, he checks all the boxes including being a Nebraska guy.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I'm perplexed as to why Turner Gill's name hasn't been mentioned in the mix. He probably should have gotten the job a few years back, he checks all the boxes including being a Nebraska guy.

We could always use a Head Coach with a 31-55 career record and 1 winning season out of 7.

 

[SkerInCo]

MJ = John Blake

 

[phoenix4nu]

I'm perplexed as to why Turner Gill's name hasn't been mentioned in the mix. He probably should have gotten the job a few years back, he checks all the boxes including being a Nebraska guy.

And you check all the boxes for being a complete nut.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

And you check all the boxes for being a complete nut.

I'm torn between total agreement and 99% agreement.

 

[moralvictories]

I'm perplexed as to why Turner Gill's name hasn't been mentioned in the mix. He probably should have gotten the job a few years back, he checks all the boxes including being a Nebraska guy.

He bombed at Kansas and didn't do very good at Liberty.

 

[dinglefritz]

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He bombed at Kansas and didn't do very good at Liberty.

Turner helped get Liberty’s program going. Most think he laid the foundation for the success they’re having now

 

[leodisflowers]

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Turner helped get Liberty’s program going. Most think he laid the foundation for the success they’re having now

I don't think most think that. Turner is a great man, but not a good head coach.

 

[HuskerHusaria]

I'm perplexed as to why Turner Gill's name hasn't been mentioned in the mix. He probably should have gotten the job a few years back, he checks all the boxes including being a Nebraska guy.

*whispers in your ear* ...Kansas...

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

*whispers in your ear* ...Kansas...

It's all good until he whispers back in your ear...It's Peter.

 

[dinglefritz]

I don't think most think that. Turner is a great man, but not a good head coach.

Go read Liberty’s news release when they brought him back as an exec in 2020. It talks about his leadership in taking Liberty from fcs up to D1. So in 10years they went from an fcs program to a ranked BCS program and some of that success was the foundation he laid. I still believe he would have done as well as Pelini had Tom gone that route

 

[leodisflowers]

Go read Liberty’s news release when they brought him back as an exec in 2020. It talks about his leadership in taking Liberty from fcs up to D1. So in 10years they went from an fcs program to a ranked BCS program and some of that success was the foundation he laid. I still believe he would have done as well as Pelini had Tom gone that route

You think they were going to write something shitty as they hired him as an exec? I think he tries to lead young men and is very devout in his faith all of which jive well at Liberty, but the credit goes to Hugh Freeze. Any coach would have probably just been a foundation. Turner is a horrible head coach. He's a dude that should be a life time position coach.

 

[dinglefritz]

You think they were going to write something shitty as they hired him as an exec? I think he tries to lead young men and is very devout in his faith all of which jive well at Liberty, but the credit goes to Hugh Freeze. Any coach would have probably just been a foundation. Turner is a horrible head coach. He's a dude that should be a life time position coach.

He took a winless moribund Buffalo program and won a conference title. Two actually I think. What’s your problem with Gill? Yeah he took over a mess at KU and failed. So what

 

[leodisflowers]

He took a winless moribund Buffalo program and won a conference title. Two actually I think. What’s your problem with Gill? Yeah he took over a mess at KU and failed. So what

No problem with Gill, he's just not a good head coach.

 

[mgbreis]

I think I'm going to stop using the term "troll" and refer to them as "topic generators" from now on. If Pete and his other 6 user names didn't exist this place would have about 9 posts a day.

 

[moralvictories]

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Turner helped get Liberty’s program going. Most think he laid the foundation for the success they’re having now

Hugh Freeze is the one who made Liberty what it is today.

 

[itseasyas1-2-3]

I think I'm going to stop using the term "troll" and refer to them as "topic generators" from now on. If Pete and his other 6 user names didn't exist this place would have about 9 posts a day.

This is a bit off-topic here, but since you ask good questions and are somewhat rational. (lol)

This is something that I'd like to see what you and the guys have a take on.

Okay, we know Frost got canned. We know Mickey took over Sept 12, about two months ago. We know he is 2-2 and likely to finish 2-7.

Since much has been made about Mickey's lack of HC experience.
Pick your coach from among that list that leodis provided, and let's toss out Meyer since it's not likely he's gonna sign up.

This would be the question.....

In that 2 month period, what would they be doing differently from Mickey with the same team, same players, and same schedule? Tell me that.

They'd have the same players, and they could have removed Chin and maybe another coach or two, but what would separate those experienced coaches from doing things differently than Mickey as an interim hire, if they had not (at least publicly) been guaranteed the HC job after the season ends?

Do we think this team would be doing any better? Would NU suddenly become a better team this year, would a short/mid-term result improve over what we've seen?

Do we really think having Urban Meyer, Kiffin, or anybody else as the interim coach at THIS time, with this group of athletes, would alter the result of the Michigan game? Or be able to control the running games of Ill, MN, MICH, WISC, or Iowa?

Presumably, an experienced HC would have been able to show tangible results using the same athletes. But how?