Let's be honest though. Greater than 50% of our fan base are idiots, so I dismiss any kind of consensus from our well meaning, simple fans.
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The guy you want doesn't exist. There are only 5 or 6 coaches capable of winning at the BCS level. Sub one in and out every year.
Klieman and Leipold don't undervalue recruiting. You simply can't do it at Kansas or Kansas State. The schools, programs, resources and stadiums have a ceiling. Because of that, they focus on the areas of their program they can influence.
TCU and Baylor are basically the same as KU and KSU with one huge exception. Proximity to talent. That's why Aranda is fools gold. He can dominate at LSU with a roster full of studs. On his own, he's just pretty good, not elite.
I guarantee our fans would be pretty satisfied winning most home games and 9 or 10 every year with consistency. But we are so far away from winning even 7 or 8 per year. Our foundation is in total disarray. We are arguably at our lowest point over the last 25 years. As is, I find no reasons to be hopeful for the future
Not saying Aranda’s the answer, but his record as DC at Wisconsin and Utah State was impressive despite lack of recruiting honey hole.
I said it before, people looked at what Whipple did his last year at Pitt. But it takes time to develope your routine and get the staff and players on board with where you want to go. Frost and the media never allowed for that time. You had to expect more of what Whipple accomplished his first year at Pitt then his last. Unfortunately , he wasn’t able to account for this line play and the lack of an identity for this team in anyway shape or form. Regardless, I don’t expect he’ll be back next year.
Again, they will be satisfied until they aren't. Pelini and Solich are the proof that the luster wears off.
The guy I want does exist, it is a guy that is a grinder on the recruiting trail and will hit Texas, Florida, California and the SE hard.
I didn't say guys like Klieman and Leipold undervalue recruiting, I said they aren't good at it, they don't have the contacts needed. The recruit guys that are local, midlevel and try to elevate them through development. Those guys are like Ferentz and Chryst and Fleck etc.
I don't disagree that he can coach some defense. I'm not sure he's elite as a head coach. Not even picking on him. There isn't a single coach that is not somewhat of a risk. None of us can predict the future. We shouldn't want short term, quick fix results (Mel Tucker😂)
Who REALLY wants and values this job? Who can build a winning culture? Who knows how to really game plan for an opponent?
I don't know who exactly gave him that approval rating you're referring to. I can only speak for myself. I STRONGLY DISAPPROVED of him from the very first day Eichorst announced him as the surprise next coach. The reason was due to his historical winning track record, not good at all. It was clear from the very beginning that the only reason Eichorst ever hired him is because he knew he could control him.
There is a formula that works best for KState, but I think it is out of necessity. You hire some guys for their network, such as Mickey or Bill Busch. They have the frequent flier miles and years of building relationships. The head head guy is your closer, in his office, not on the road entirely. No disrespect to your opinion. I see it a little differently. I am looking for the leadership abilities of the head coach. The ability to build a program and foster a winning culture. It goes way beyond locker room speeches.
Yeah, but I exclude him because I don't think he is even remotely interested.
Guys like Leipold and Klieman don't hire guys like Joseph or Busch. They hire guys just like themselves. They want players they can develop, and do things their way. They don't just change their M.O. because they get to a different school.
Almost every head coach that emphasizes recruiting was a stud recruiter as a position coach. They hire coaches that are just like them too.
MJ? FFS. If this is any other interim coach, we aren't not having this converstation.
It was Mickey's job to win and so far he hasn't done anything to win it.
I agree, I felt the same way. But I was easily in the minority, especially on this board.
Read through their roster. It's littered with guys from Texas and Georgia with some Florida and California mixed in.
It means he goes back to his old job but it doesn’t mean he keeps it. That’s up to the head coach.
This is a great quote from Mickey.
I think it will be Joseph whether any of us like it or not. And honestly, I almost hope it is him if we can't score a Lane Kiffin or Urban Meyer-type coach.
Also - f*ck you, Frost.
Also - f*ck you, Frost.
That is a great quote. If it isn't an Urban or Lane type of guy we better grab Mickey. 90% of our problems are because of this abysmal OL and there ain't much Mickey can do about it right now.
This is a great quote from Mickey.
They have recruited 2 four star players, both QBs one from Kansas and one from Iowa. The rest of those guys littered from Texas or elsewhere are either unranked, 2 star or 3 star players. So once again, not exactly killing it on the recruiting trail.
And we've got a bunch of four stars who would get their teeth kicked in by Kansas State. It seems your argument is that they don't want to have better recruits. Odd. Succeeding at a high level with two and three stars is pretty impressive.
This is it in a nutshell😒. MJ is not the answer - nothing in his background to suggest he can pull this off. And those who think that CK and LL are not good enough - LOL- rewatch last Saturday and readjust your expectations. The roster is a sad sack of average players who are lazy, scared, or confused. A top coach I don't think saw the makings of a turnaround crew on that field.
So is this your main account or is Frank or the half dozen others your main account
we are not going to get back to winning by playing finesse gay shit. go back to what works.
K-State place finesse gay s***? Pretty sure they play power run.
I'm the one who wants Klinemen. I want power run
So my point still stands. Well coached 4 stars will beat well coached 2 and 3 stars.
they may want better players but they don’t get them. That is because the emphasis is on development. That is the whole point. They don’t target the highly sought after players. It is like the lottery, you can’t win if you don’t play.
They have 2 losses and still have to play Baylor and Texas. They could end up 8-4 or worse. Let the season play out before announcing them a high level team.
Hell yeah. He makes a lot of sense. I'm real big on the importance of fit and I think he would be a great fit on several levels.
Anyone know anything about his personality? We need somebody that's no nonsense and willing to clear out a lot of the riff raff. We've got too many posers glad handing off the name.
It all comes down to how much Gene Taylor wants him staying longer in Manhattan..
Klienman is going to be difficult getting hired at Nebraska because of this..
Well not Heupel. He had success almost immediately at UCF. I guess he wasn’t a hot name on many boards. What year was Kirby Smart hired? I remember at least one poster lobbying for him for NU at some point.
Completely agree.
If we don't have anyone who can pass, then you have to run the ball and figure out ways to do it.
MJ must get Whip on board with that kind of gameplan, to possibly finish out the rest of the year.
I remember that too about someone mentioning Kirby Smart, but he was looking for a quality SEC job..
Obviously they’re developing guys and putting them in a position to be successful.
Georgia is about as quality as it gets. They had a great culture from their previous coach and had excellent talent. Add a great recruiting base.
it will never happen, the lincoln head office is 100% commited to pass happyness and changeing coaches every 4 to 5 years.
ksu of the 80's is the standard for them.
you don't hire riley, frost and whipple in a row, unless your completely gay about passing.
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