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HC - Where are you currently at?

Who becomes coach

  • Mickey J

    Votes: 37 17.5%
  • B.O.B

    Votes: 20 9.4%
  • Dave Aranda

    Votes: 24 11.3%
  • Urban Meyer

    Votes: 15 7.1%
  • Lane Kiffen

    Votes: 27 12.7%
  • An Outside Coach no one is thinking about

    Votes: 41 19.3%
  • Klieman

    Votes: 25 11.8%
  • Lance Leipold

    Votes: 15 7.1%
  • Mike Gundy

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Kyle Whittingham

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • Total voters
    212
This is a bit off-topic here, but since you ask good questions and are somewhat rational. (lol)

This is something that I'd like to see what you and the guys have a take on.

Okay, we know Frost got canned. We know Mickey took over Sept 12, about two months ago. We know he is 2-2 and likely to finish 2-7.

Since much has been made about Mickey's lack of HC experience.
Pick your coach from among that list that leodis provided, and let's toss out Meyer since it's not likely he's gonna sign up.

This would be the question.....

In that 2 month period, what would they be doing differently from Mickey with the same team, same players, and same schedule? Tell me that.

They'd have the same players, and they could have removed Chin and maybe another coach or two, but what would separate those experienced coaches from doing things differently than Mickey as an interim hire, if they had not (at least publicly) been guaranteed the HC job after the season ends?

Do we think this team would be doing any better? Would NU suddenly become a better team this year, would a short/mid-term result improve over what we've seen?

Do we really think having Urban Meyer, Kiffin, or anybody else as the interim coach at THIS time, with this group of athletes, would alter the result of the Michigan game? Or be able to control the running games of Ill, MN, MICH, WISC, or Iowa?

Presumably, an experienced HC would have been able to show tangible results using the same athletes. But how?
I don't really think anyone could make much tangible difference in Mickey's situation. But for the sake of the exercise I'll say that if Mickey has made any glaring mistakes, it would be his apparent failure to guide Whipple in any way. We're throwing the ball too much, being too aggressive in certain situations (ie the play where CT got hurt), and playing a hurt QB (Purdy) when the smart play would've been to go with Smothers. So I do think many of the guys on the list (I'll say BOB, Klieman, Leipold, Whittingham, Gundy) would give us a better chance to win right now because they wouldn't defer to Whip.
 
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Hugh Freeze is the one who made Liberty what it is today.
It would never got off the ground without Gill Yeah Freeze is winning now but Gill put the program on good footing.

Gill took a D2 program in to D1 and either won or shared THREE conference titles including his last season before retiring from coaching. I’d say that was a nice place to start for Freeze I’m not denying that Freeze is a good coach. The idea though that it was easy for any coach to do what Gill did there is ludicrous. Gill won conference titles at perennial doormat Buffalo and at a school that went from D2 to D1. That’s impressive. I really don’t think he had any shot at fixing KU in the time he was given and the mess he took over. Turner is a damned good coach
 
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It would never got off the ground without Gill Yeah Freeze is winning now but Gill put the program on good footing.

Gill took a D2 program in to D1 and either won or shared THREE conference titles including his last season before retiring from coaching. I’d say that was a nice place to start for Freeze I’m not denying that Freeze is a good coach. The idea though that it was easy for any coach to do what Gill did there is ludicrous. Gill won conference titles at perennial doormat Buffalo and at a school that went from D2 to D1. That’s impressive. I really don’t think he had any shot at fixing KU in the time he was given and the mess he took over. Turner is a damned good coach
was always curious why TO chose Pelini over Gill

I don't know if Gill would have been successful but it seems that TO would haven given Gill the edge over Pelini if he thought all else was equal
 
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It would never got off the ground without Gill Yeah Freeze is winning now but Gill put the program on good footing.

Gill took a D2 program in to D1 and either won or shared THREE conference titles including his last season before retiring from coaching. I’d say that was a nice place to start for Freeze I’m not denying that Freeze is a good coach. The idea though that it was easy for any coach to do what Gill did there is ludicrous. Gill won conference titles at perennial doormat Buffalo and at a school that went from D2 to D1. That’s impressive. I really don’t think he had any shot at fixing KU in the time he was given and the mess he took over. Turner is a damned good coach
Leopold seems to be doing good at Kansas.
 
So if Joseph loses 7 in a row, it is a disaster and he doesn't deserve the job, but for Leipold its, "seems to be doing good at Kansas"
Experience matters!!

But also throw out at least the first year of all these coaches’ stops somewhere new, and in some cases throw out entire stints because of xyz

Dumbest sh*t I’ve ever seen
 
was always curious why TO chose Pelini over Gill

I don't know if Gill would have been successful but it seems that TO would haven given Gill the edge over Pelini if he thought all else was equal
I was told by someone pretty close to Tom (professional relationship) that Tom thought maybe Turner wasn’t decisive enough. He also had some concern how he would be treated in part because his wife is white. We’ve all seen the venom spewed at Frost now not saying that some of it is undeserved. I think Tom underestimated Turner AND the vast majority of a Husker fans.
 
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Experience matters!!

But also throw out at least the first year of all these coaches’ stops somewhere new, and in some cases throw out entire stints because of xyz

Dumbest sh*t I’ve ever seen
The thing about Joseph is, he isn't an OC or a DC. It's one thing to move up from a coordinator to a head coach but it's not common to go from position coach to a head coach.
 
The thing about Joseph is, he isn't an OC or a DC. It's one thing to move up from a coordinator to a head coach but it's not common to go from position coach to a head coach.
He has been an OC play caller at a lower level. I’m not sure how he would calling plays against a B1G DC. Trev no doubt has a better handle on that. Trev is an extremely bright guy.
 
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Kansas looks really good today....Leipold back on the list?

Hugh Freeze up 21-0 on the road at Arkansas. But he just signed a huge contract extension.
 
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