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Sure do miss the Schlesinger, Makovicka, Janovich types.They don't run that many different plays. It's rare when there isn't an option concept or an RPO being ran.
You could easily incorporate a FB scheme in this offense.
as long a we run a left coast offense, minus a joe montana..everything should be great.Sure do miss the Schlesinger, Makovicka, Janovich types.
Fullbacks with neck rolls should be a fixture in the Cornhusker backfield.
Sure do miss the Schlesinger, Makovicka, Janovich types.
Fullbacks with neck rolls should be a fixture in the Cornhusker backfield.
Yep.You need to be able to run, but your offense needs to be balanced.
A lot of Alabama’s success is they start with top athletes ans make them bigger, stronger, and faster than most everyone else. Like we used to do. THAT is what people are missing, not the triple option. They just correlate the two.
This is it, exactly.Outside of Janovich, you miss those guys because we won. We won a shit ton.
Adding a FB isn't changing our trajectory as a program in any shape or form.
Even Nick Saban at Alabama went away from a run based offense in order to win more Championships. You don't win at the highest of levels in college football these days running the football 75%+ of the time with a FB and 2 TEs, Sure, Wisconsin and Iowa are greatly successful in our division, but they never win shit worth winning.
But Husker fans bristle when it is said we are stuck in the 90's.Rinse and repeat
Outside of Janovich, you miss those guys because we won. We won a shit ton.
Adding a FB isn't changing our trajectory as a program in any shape or form.
Even Nick Saban at Alabama went away from a run based offense in order to win more Championships. You don't win at the highest of levels in college football these days running the football 75%+ of the time with a FB and 2 TEs, Sure, Wisconsin and Iowa are greatly successful in our division, but they never win shit worth winning.
What coach runs what you believe to be the best scheme, that is or might be available if Frost were to move on?I understand where some of your guys’ heads are at but us instituting an offense like this is succumbing to the notion that we will never be able to go toe to toe talent wise in the Big10. We will always just have to out corky scheme teams. I don’t buy it that we can’t get good talent to Lincoln anymore. We have to get better in all facets and I agree that maybe that means we move on from Frost but these people that want us to go back to an option offense just clearly don’t know much about modern football.
Damn near any available coaches scheme would be better than an option based scheme. There’s a reason why you don’t see power five programs running that offense. It’s A scheme designed to outmaneuver opponents even if they are bigger faster and stronger than you. That’s why the majority of programs that based their identity around it are military schools. Again I’m not saying we wouldn’t have our years once in a while with that offense but we absolutely would be sealing our identity as “we know we’re not as good as you but dammit we’re going to out scheme you once in a while.” I don’t want that for us.What coach runs what you believe to be the best scheme, that is or might be available if Frost were to move on?
Damn near any available coaches scheme would be better than an option based scheme. There’s a reason why you don’t see power five programs running that offense. It’s A scheme designed to outmaneuver opponents even if they are bigger faster and stronger than you. That’s why the majority of programs that based their identity around it are military schools. Again I’m not saying we wouldn’t have our years once in a while with that offense but we absolutely would be sealing our identity as “we know we’re not as good as you but dammit we’re going to out scheme you once in a while.” I don’t want that for us.
Damn near any available coaches scheme would be better than an option based scheme. There’s a reason why you don’t see power five programs running that offense. It’s A scheme designed to outmaneuver opponents even if they are bigger faster and stronger than you. That’s why the majority of programs that based their identity around it are military schools. Again I’m not saying we wouldn’t have our years once in a while with that offense but we absolutely would be sealing our identity as “we know we’re not as good as you but dammit we’re going to out scheme you once in a while.” I don’t want that for us.
Huh?Ok, so Scott Frost. What damn good coach he is since he doesn't run the option. Where can we hire him from?
So what you're saying is there are no really clear winners out there that Nebraska could pick up?Damn near any available coaches scheme would be better than an option based scheme. There’s a reason why you don’t see power five programs running that offense. It’s A scheme designed to outmaneuver opponents even if they are bigger faster and stronger than you. That’s why the majority of programs that based their identity around it are military schools. Again I’m not saying we wouldn’t have our years once in a while with that offense but we absolutely would be sealing our identity as “we know we’re not as good as you but dammit we’re going to out scheme you once in a while.” I don’t want that for us.
Okay, if you're ok with going the Freeze or Briles route...I understand where some of your guys’ heads are at but us instituting an offense like this is succumbing to the notion that we will never be able to go toe to toe talent wise in the Big10. We will always just have to out corky scheme teams. I don’t buy it that we can’t get good talent to Lincoln anymore. We have to get better in all facets and I agree that maybe that means we move on from Frost but these people that want us to go back to an option offense just clearly don’t know much about modern football.
People always say that an option based offense can't work in "modern" football. Explain why and please don't come with the argument that everyone is way faster on defense now. There isn't any evidence to support that humans have evolved into a faster species the last twenty years and even if that were true the offensive players would also be faster.I understand where some of your guys’ heads are at but us instituting an offense like this is succumbing to the notion that we will never be able to go toe to toe talent wise in the Big10. We will always just have to out corky scheme teams. I don’t buy it that we can’t get good talent to Lincoln anymore. We have to get better in all facets and I agree that maybe that means we move on from Frost but these people that want us to go back to an option offense just clearly don’t know much about modern football.
Miss St > Coastal CarolinaI may have to change to this guy. Reminds me of Mullen when he was at Miss. St. Love this offense, think it would work well in the BIG. Biggest question is if he could recruit well here.
Prove that it can work in modern football. Please don’t come at with me that Coastal Carolina and Army run it.People always say that an option based offense can't work in "modern" football. Explain why and please don't come with the argument that everyone is way faster on defense now. There isn't any evidence to support that humans have evolved into a faster species the last twenty years and even if that were true the offensive players would also be faster.
Dan Mullen at Miss St was 69-46 overall and 33-39 in the SEC. best division finish was 2nd one year. Every other year, 4th or 5th.Miss St > Coastal Carolina
Jesus Christ. It’s a play that the Rams didn’t plan on in the first week of the season. Next week, when Fields comes in with the ball inside the 5, he will get lit the **** up. But I’m sure the Bears are going to bench Dalton so Fields can run the option as their base offense.Chicago just ran an option play for a touchdown. Weird how it works.
My proof is that why were highly successful running it before and what's changed since then. Also watching those teams have success running it is evidence of it bProve that it can work in modern football. Please don’t come at with me that Coastal Carolina and Army run it.
Very trueThe option can work. You just have to make sure you incorporate enough passing concepts to keep the defense honest.
Frost, if he was running the option out of his offense as the base run game, he would have a winning record instead of a losing record. The rare option calls he has made while at Nebraska have been very successful.
With how soft most of the schools are in college football these days for their offensive schemes, defenses are not used to a physical attack.
So the wishbone would work in today's football, because Major Ogilvie was a great fullback for Alabama in the 1970's, or Thomas Lott was a great wishbone QB in the 1970s? Don't forget Ham and Lam Jones for Texas.My proof is that why were highly successful running it before and what's changed since then. Also watching those teams have success running it is evidence of it b
Very true
People always say that an option based offense can't work in "modern" football. Explain why and please don't come with the argument that everyone is way faster on defense now. There isn't any evidence to support that humans have evolved into a faster species the last twenty years and even if that were true the offensive players would also be faster.
Actually there's quite a bit of evidence that that's the case. Just look at the top 10 combine marks for all events all time and you tell me how many of the top ten are pre 2000. But it's more than that. If you run an option based offense then every player you recruit has to fit a very specific mold and it can negatively impact your recruiting in the modern era. Kids now more than ever are looking for the program that's going to give them the best shot to play at the next level and an option offense is basically the antithesis of that. People get frustrated at our lack of recruiting prowess now!?...if we ran an option offense our recruiting would fall off a cliff.People always say that an option based offense can't work in "modern" football. Explain why and please don't come with the argument that everyone is way faster on defense now. There isn't any evidence to support that humans have evolved into a faster species the last twenty years and even if that were true the offensive players would also be faster.
It would have zero impact on defensive recruiting so 50% of your theory flies out the window. Back in the day, we put so many linemen and running backs in the NFL that style of offensive play didn't matter. If you aspire to play quarterback at the next level, this probably isn't the place for you.Actually there's quite a bit of evidence that that's the case. Just look at the top 10 combine marks for all events all time and you tell me how many of the top ten are pre 2000. But it's more than that. If you run an option based offense then every player you recruit has to fit a very specific mold and it can negatively impact your recruiting in the modern era. Kids now more than ever are looking for the program that's going to give them the best shot to play at the next level and an option offense is basically the antithesis of that. People get frustrated at our lack of recruiting prowess now!?...if we ran an option offense our recruiting would fall off a cliff.
First time caller....how many QB's has nebraska sent to the NFL since Solich? What offenses did we use? How many games did these QB's win? How many RB's were put into the NFL during the same period? How many OL were sent to the NFL during the same period?Actually there's quite a bit of evidence that that's the case. Just look at the top 10 combine marks for all events all time and you tell me how many of the top ten are pre 2000. But it's more than that. If you run an option based offense then every player you recruit has to fit a very specific mold and it can negatively impact your recruiting in the modern era. Kids now more than ever are looking for the program that's going to give them the best shot to play at the next level and an option offense is basically the antithesis of that. People get frustrated at our lack of recruiting prowess now!?...if we ran an option offense our recruiting would fall off a cliff.
You're not allowed to ask those questions. Shame on you.First time caller....how many QB's has nebraska sent to the NFL since Solich? What offenses did we use? How many games did these QB's win? How many RB's were put into the NFL during the same period? How many OL were sent to the NFL during the same period?
That's not a question that favors your argument. You better go back and look at some of the O linemen that Callahan recruited who played in the NFL. The RB thing is just a factor of us not getting as good of talent due to our recruiting slipping after Tom retired. Rex and Ameer played in this "sissy" spread option offense blended with the WCO that you despise so much. Roy Helu played in the WCO for Callahan as did Brandon Jackson. Jackson got a Super Bowl ring with the Packers. He was recruited by Callahan as well. Zac Taylor got a shot. Tanner Lee was on a roster for most of a year. Many if not most of the guys drafted in the NFL today are spread option QBs and now many NFL teams have adopted some spread option concepts in their offense. The Niners, Ravens, Texans, Cardinals, hell even the Giants have run zone read options with Daniel Jones. That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Most don't run the QB like the Ravens do, but it's in their playbook.First time caller....how many QB's has nebraska sent to the NFL since Solich? What offenses did we use? How many games did these QB's win? How many RB's were put into the NFL during the same period? How many OL were sent to the NFL during the same period?
People act like we send people to the NFL with all of this stuff we have tried on offense since Solich. We get about 2 guys to the NFL per year as draft picks for a few years now.You're not allowed to ask those questions. Shame on you.
Manning, Martin and Toure will have a shot to play in the NFL for starters. Vokolek and Allen are drawing lots of interest from NFL scouts. We can recruit WRs to Nebraska. No problem. Stanley Morgan, DPE and Quincy Enunwa all say hello as does Cethan Carter. Yeah Q might be medically retired now but he got a nice contract his last year.People act like we send people to the NFL with all of this stuff we have tried on offense since Solich. We get about 2 guys to the NFL per year as draft picks for a few years now.
If we go back to a physical brand of football where we focus on rushing the ball, good defense, good special teams, we will send more guys to the NFL then we do with all of this soft ass shit since Solich.
We can send RB's to the NFL. We can send OL to the NFL. We have rarely ever sent QB's and WR's to the NFL.
It's kinda dumb in reality to pretend Nebraska can be a QB and WR NFL factory.
The quarterbacks in the NFL that matter are Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers. I'll include Stafford. They're all pocket passers. Mahomes and Rodgers take off a little bit, but their coaches sure as hell don't like it. I would have Lamar Jackson as my quarterback if I did not want to win a title.That's not a question that favors your argument. You better go back and look at some of the O linemen that Callahan recruited who played in the NFL. The RB thing is just a factor of us not getting as good of talent due to our recruiting slipping after Tom retired. Rex and Ameer played in this "sissy" spread option offense blended with the WCO that you despise so much. Roy Helu played in the WCO for Callahan as did Brandon Jackson. Jackson got a Super Bowl ring with the Packers. He was recruited by Callahan as well. Zac Taylor got a shot. Tanner Lee was on a roster for most of a year. Many if not most of the guys drafted in the NFL today are spread option QBs and now many NFL teams have adopted some spread option concepts in their offense. The Niners, Ravens, Texans, Cardinals, hell even the Giants have run zone read options with Daniel Jones. That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Most don't run the QB like the Ravens do, but it's in their playbook.
Bama mostly ran WCO I think though I didn't watch them much this last year. That's what the OCs they've been hiring favor. It's not a surprise that the Patriots wanted that style of pass first QB.