Any insight on who is in the lead at QB
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I don't think I'm hearing the same thing you are. I think they are capable but it is going to take time. Bush has gotten plenty of compliments in particular from the media and Riley. Tommy has to learn better habits and that is going to take more than 7 or 8 practices.
I know when I rewatch this highlight all I can think of is how similar Armstrong and TFraiz are. No doubt. Good thing Fraiz had that amazing defense helping him out on this run or this would have never worked.
Greatest run ever...
Greatest run ever...
I don't even have to click on the link to be able to see the run. Their defenders were trying to strip the ball holding him up and he shook them off and ran for a TD. Yaaaaaawwwwnnnn. I was there sitting a few seats from Pat O'Brien.
This post was edited on 3/19 1:39 PM by dinglefritz
Do some research and find out the teams Nebraska beat out to land TF and then look back at the recruiting race for TA. There's a reason Nebraska became dominant when Frazier took the reigns....he was a flat out stud. TF would have probably killed half the guys on the squad last year for piss poor play, preparation, etc... TA wouldn't have even made the team as a QB in those years. Get a grip...
Yep and TF ate nails every morning and crapped bolts with lock nuts that night. Hell he even stopped freight trains about to run over little puppies. Get a grip yourself. Tommie Frazier got beat by Iowa State. We didn't get good just because he walked on the field. We won without Tommie. Hell we even won with Matt Turman. You're nuts if you think TA wouldn't have beat out Matt Turman to "make the roster". Tommie was a very good QB but your hero worship is ridiculous. He wasn't God.
Maybe not. But those championship teams had a whole different mentality. Relentless preparation, work ethic, etc.
Key word being TEAM. I agree completely with your statement. Tommie got way too much credit for those trophies. We won games with 2 QBs during that run not named Tommie.
In the 94 Title game, I've heard folks give a lot of credit to Berringer getting us on the board before half. Not that Tommie didn't play well generally, but that game probably has a totally different feel if we go into the locker room skunked on their home turf. Team effort.
I knew Tommie Frazier. Tommie Frazier was a friend of mine. And Tommy Armstrong is no Tommie Frazier.
He can get better...he might lead us to some good wins. But if anyone thinks his skill set is anywhere close to Frazier's they don't know football.
He can get better...he might lead us to some good wins. But if anyone thinks his skill set is anywhere close to Frazier's they don't know football.
So knowing Tommie makes you qualified as the final judge of a QB's skill set? Well at least we know your bias. Obviously you've forgotten the balls delivered to the ankles of our receivers by Tommie.
No...since you are so politically astute, think Jack Kennedy and Dan Quayle.Originally posted by dinglefritz:
So knowing Tommie makes you qualified as the final judge of a QB's skill set? Well at least we know your bias. Obviously you've forgotten the balls delivered to the ankles of our receivers by Tommie.I knew Turner Gill and that doesn't mean squat.
Sooooooo Tommie cheats on his wife too? Is that your point? Wow. You're really reaching now Tom. You can come up with a better troll than that.Originally posted by Tulsa Tom:
No...since you are so politically astute, think Jack Kennedy and Dan Quayle.Originally posted by dinglefritz:
So knowing Tommie makes you qualified as the final judge of a QB's skill set? Well at least we know your bias. Obviously you've forgotten the balls delivered to the ankles of our receivers by Tommie.I knew Turner Gill and that doesn't mean squat.
Tommie Frazier was the MVP of 3 National Title games, an All-American, and runner up in the Heisman trophy. Tommy Armstrong can't even get B1G honorable mention, there is no comparison here. TA will lose his starting spot at some point before he graduates. If he doesn't lose it this year he will next year. My money is on AJ Bush eventually becoming the starter.
I repeat. The QB gets too much credit when things go well and too much blame when things don't. We won games without TF. We killed Florida in the Fiesta Bowl largely because of our offensive line and our defense. They have to give MVPs to one guy. If not, I would have given those MVPs ALL of those years to our offensive lines and defenses. TF was a very good QB but his skills as a passer were limited. IF TA had that same kind of talent and coaching around him last year, we would be very very happy fans right now. Continue the hero worship. Tebow won titles. What kind of QB was he? Limited at best.
Tim Tebow as a college quarterback was "limited at best."
He threw for right at 3000 yards a year his last three years
He completed 66 percent of his passes in his career
He averaged 800 yards rushing his last three years
He won every quarterback award imaginable
Just. Stop. Digging.
He threw for right at 3000 yards a year his last three years
He completed 66 percent of his passes in his career
He averaged 800 yards rushing his last three years
He won every quarterback award imaginable
Just. Stop. Digging.
Ok, so we have what I THOUGHT were the two best QB's that ever played the college game in Fraiz and Tebow. My bad, they were just good, one was even limited at best. So I have to know, exactly who are your top 2 college QB's in the last say...15-20 years. Seriously, I need to see this list. I thought I had watched a lot of CFB and had a pretty good grasp on who the badasses were, apparently I missed a couple guy who were better than Fraiz and Tebow. Would you mind sharing with me who they were so I can go back and look into them?
I'm guessing you don't know that Defcon 1 is the maximum state of readiness, while Defcon 5 is the "normal" (lowest) state of readiness.
What's the problem here, specifically?
Do we not have a QB competition going on?
Something that hasn't happened here in way, way, way too long?
Should we not be happy about that?
And how do TFrasier's strengths or shortcomings matter one bit in 2015?
Do we not have a QB competition going on?
Something that hasn't happened here in way, way, way too long?
Should we not be happy about that?
And how do TFrasier's strengths or shortcomings matter one bit in 2015?
Tommie never gets to those national title games without Berringer and Turman. Tommie never gets to QB a win in those games without maybe the best offensive line in the history of college football. He didn't do anything in that last game until Sapp and the rest of his hommies were completely gassed. I repeat. QBs get WAY too much credit when things go well.
You're right Tom. Tebow is a great QB. His passing skills were and are amazing. Why, I'm surprised with his passing prowess that he hasn't won several Super Bowls by now.Originally posted by Tulsa Tom:
Tim Tebow as a college quarterback was "limited at best."
He threw for right at 3000 yards a year his last three years
He completed 66 percent of his passes in his career
He averaged 800 yards rushing his last three years
He won every quarterback award imaginable
Just. Stop. Digging.
I guess all those voters who voted for him for all of those awards knew far less than you. The guy completed nearly 70% of his passes in the SEC. He was a tough runner. And he was a winner. Did that translate to the NFL game? No...but this discussion has been about college quarterbacks and specifically whether our guys have the skill sets of some of these guys.Originally posted by dinglefritz:
You're right Tom. Tebow is a great QB. His passing skills were and are amazing. Why, I'm surprised with his passing prowess that he hasn't won several Super Bowls by now.Originally posted by Tulsa Tom:
Tim Tebow as a college quarterback was "limited at best."
He threw for right at 3000 yards a year his last three years
He completed 66 percent of his passes in his career
He averaged 800 yards rushing his last three years
He won every quarterback award imaginable
Just. Stop. Digging.Oh wait, maybe you CAN have a limited skill set and still win college football games IF you have a great team and coaches around you.
I agree with you that Nebraska never wins either the 94 or 95 national title without Berringer, but keep in mind had he not died days before the draft he likely would have been a 3rd round pick, He was a stud just like TF. If Turman played that whole 94 season they'd have won maybe 9 games, he played a half during Kansas State and Berringer had to come in and save the day.QB play is critical to a team's success. There is a reason QBs are the highest paid position in the NFL, you need at least a very good one to have a great amount of success.
actually cubsker is partly correct. Berringer's contributions were statistically minor his sophomore and senior years. I still doubt we would have gotten to those title games without his contribution. We most certainly would have lost to Miami without Berringer. Obviously QB is important. My point was and is that you can have holes in your game (as Frazier did) and still win championships IF you have a great team around you like Tommie did. Back to the original point. TA's SKILL SET is very similar to what TF's was.
