I admit, I bought in. I thought Frost would turn a corner this season but I realized that wouldn't happen when we lost to Northwestern, struggled to beat North Dakota and lost to Georgia Southern.
Who bought into the "we are close" mentality of last season?
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I did not buy it at all. But even I didn’t think Teflon Scotty could step on his dick so badly that he’d get canned after 3 games.
That NW game feels like a looooooooong time ago. I admit I was hoping for a bowl game this year, but I NEVER bought into the idea that we'd be able to capitalize on the "easier" schedule.
Not me. I bought into the - our schedule gets easier we can’t help but improve on our 2021 record. I knew Frost was not the answer in 2019.
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if i did, i need to have my head examined.
come to think of it i have a neurology appointment tomorrow.
come to think of it i have a neurology appointment tomorrow.
Lots of people were, be honest. Look at the predictions people made for the record this year. Easier schedule, upgrades in transfers, people were happy to see Adrian gone and welcomed Casey with open arms. Sure some admitted the D might not be as good this year but explained it away.
Probably several things going on, most people want to think their team is just going to be better from one year to the next and and an overall less than realistic assessment of where this program really is. Then there were the new coaches, Whipple was going to lead this O with the wonderful transfers Mickey brought in and the upgrades from the new coaching staff.
The reality is we haven't gotten better where it counts, up front and just because a kid transfer in doesn't mean he is going to be good. There is a reason he is leaving his former school.
Probably several things going on, most people want to think their team is just going to be better from one year to the next and and an overall less than realistic assessment of where this program really is. Then there were the new coaches, Whipple was going to lead this O with the wonderful transfers Mickey brought in and the upgrades from the new coaching staff.
The reality is we haven't gotten better where it counts, up front and just because a kid transfer in doesn't mean he is going to be good. There is a reason he is leaving his former school.
I thought last year was the year we should have gotten above .500 and with the schedule this year got to 8 wins. Honestly one has to wonder if Frost would have been better off canning Chin and keeping his old OC.
This conference is murderers row no matter who you end up with on the schedule. It's the B1G most if not every team improves year in and out. Just because some thought we would be better this year doesn't mean the other teams in the conference aren't doing the very same thing.
I agree we often focus too much on our team improving, not noticing other programs are putting in work as well.
The difference obviously has been the level of coaching we had vs others.
We got exposed for years.
Time to reverse that cycle.
The previous season and turning down the bowl game (a gift if ever there was one) really left a bad taste in my mouth, and when they looked just as incompetent in the opener against Illinois, I was done with him.
Thi board was crazy in how it stuck up for frost. People were even saying 6-6 would be good enough this year. I was loud in wanting frost gone, but even I had some hope. Everyone wanted to believe all those close losses would turn into wins this year
I never bought into idea that close losses meant that we were close. It was year 4, and we had experienced talent at most positions. All the losses, no matter how close, only indicated that Frost was really good at losing. Even when he had his pieces.
As soon as Trev decided to bring back Frost, I knew this year would be a waste. And, here we are.
As soon as Trev decided to bring back Frost, I knew this year would be a waste. And, here we are.
What it really means is that those that thought we would be better were flat out wrong. I was not one of them.
I did 100%.
I remember specifically the Michigan State game, we pushed them around for 55 minutes. We looked like a Big 10 team for the first time in forever. Similar story in the Michigan game.
in retrospect, its hard for me to articulate why we kept it close with teams that should've blown us outta the water. lot of super seniors are defense that helped keep us in games frequently. thought we were just a decent OC & QB away from being a good team. Truly thought Chinander was an asset we'd have to worry about getting poached.
then the implosion against Northwestern was Riley-tier bad, and it was sad to accept that Frost just sucks.
I remember specifically the Michigan State game, we pushed them around for 55 minutes. We looked like a Big 10 team for the first time in forever. Similar story in the Michigan game.
in retrospect, its hard for me to articulate why we kept it close with teams that should've blown us outta the water. lot of super seniors are defense that helped keep us in games frequently. thought we were just a decent OC & QB away from being a good team. Truly thought Chinander was an asset we'd have to worry about getting poached.
then the implosion against Northwestern was Riley-tier bad, and it was sad to accept that Frost just sucks.
I’ll admit I foolishly bought in to the fraud.
It was because I couldn’t believe that someone from here, that played here, and understood the culture could be so bad at running a program here. Frost is arrogant, proved to be poorly organized, and lacked the details to run an organized program. He was a poor evaluator of assembling a staff and very poor at identifying players to fit his system.
When he announced the changes to the Offensive side I thought there would be hope but Frost had be Frost and lose the Northwestern game in Frost fashion. I was no longer supportive of him after the NW game and knew it was a matter of time he’d get fired.
There are a few play-makers on this team but whoever is coaching here next would do best to cut everyone on the starting O-line, and then cut the dead weight in the program. Too many lazy, talentless, non-contributors just milking the University. Again, Frost’s is to blame for bringing in too much non-FBS talent and not even developing the talent to a level of competency in four years.
The reason games were close were due to the heroics of a few playmakers. But they can’t do everything when the other 95% do stupid things to drag the program down.
It was because I couldn’t believe that someone from here, that played here, and understood the culture could be so bad at running a program here. Frost is arrogant, proved to be poorly organized, and lacked the details to run an organized program. He was a poor evaluator of assembling a staff and very poor at identifying players to fit his system.
When he announced the changes to the Offensive side I thought there would be hope but Frost had be Frost and lose the Northwestern game in Frost fashion. I was no longer supportive of him after the NW game and knew it was a matter of time he’d get fired.
There are a few play-makers on this team but whoever is coaching here next would do best to cut everyone on the starting O-line, and then cut the dead weight in the program. Too many lazy, talentless, non-contributors just milking the University. Again, Frost’s is to blame for bringing in too much non-FBS talent and not even developing the talent to a level of competency in four years.
The reason games were close were due to the heroics of a few playmakers. But they can’t do everything when the other 95% do stupid things to drag the program down.
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Not me. By year two, we were not progressing much. Martinez was still turning it over a bunch. Juergens couldn't figure out the snap. Special teams flatlined. They had their moments, but we're constantly taking a step back.
I don't think Frost wanted CT and certainly did not want Whip. I think he would have rolled with LS and I think that running his offense with Smothers we still likely would be 3-5 or 4-4. TA made a mistake forcing useless changes on Frost. He should have rolled with him and his crew or fired him last year. Bringing in MJ and MW just made this year a waste.
I mean, I kinda bought into it. We almost had to buy into it. And I think many of us believed Frost was untouchable (unfireable) before TA had a "talk" with him last season.
I had bought into the narrative that Martinez was the primary problem, and his error-prone games infected the rest of the team. Which I think most of us can now agree wasn't necessarily true.
I bought into the whole "the transfer portal will save us" thing, seeing as we rated rather high last year on that scale.
I hoped most of last year's close losses were just incredibly bad luck. That we could hang with OSU, Michigan, etc.
I guess it just goes to show to never buy into a narrative. More than likely the simplest explanation is the correct explanation.
Some people learn from those mistakes and move on; some people riot. 👀
I had bought into the narrative that Martinez was the primary problem, and his error-prone games infected the rest of the team. Which I think most of us can now agree wasn't necessarily true.
I bought into the whole "the transfer portal will save us" thing, seeing as we rated rather high last year on that scale.
I hoped most of last year's close losses were just incredibly bad luck. That we could hang with OSU, Michigan, etc.
I guess it just goes to show to never buy into a narrative. More than likely the simplest explanation is the correct explanation.
Some people learn from those mistakes and move on; some people riot. 👀
I'm on record as fire his sorry drunk ass last year.
I did not. I wanted him gone. IMO 3-9 is not close. I don’t care if it’s one score or one point. Every time someone said “best 3-9 team on the nation” I threw up in my mouth a little. I just couldn’t believe people were behind this dude that clearly is doing a bad job.
Not me
I even predicted prior to last season that it didn’t matter what our record would be, the asshole who used to coach here would remain
went so far as to say Haarberg should’ve been the week zero starter so he could be ready for 2022
got laughed at mostly. was right, as usual
close doesn’t mean shit in football
I even predicted prior to last season that it didn’t matter what our record would be, the asshole who used to coach here would remain
went so far as to say Haarberg should’ve been the week zero starter so he could be ready for 2022
got laughed at mostly. was right, as usual
close doesn’t mean shit in football
not me, I wanted to hire brett davis last dec. to start a running game...to give our oline a chance to do something right..like run block...I suppose with the backs we have..we would look like the team we will see in 5 days..
plus I wanted to see more tackleing in practice with the 1's vs the 1's to toughen them and the defense up....
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plus I wanted to see more tackleing in practice with the 1's vs the 1's to toughen them and the defense up....
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I remember getting clowned on message boards for wanting to hire Bret Bielema instead of Scott Frost.
Wonder why Haarberg isn’t in the conversation now with CT out for a period and Smothers and Purdy didn’t look good as back ups Saturday..
Bret Bielema. (Sorry if I’m spelling wrong). Seriously. That’s who I want. I realize it’s unrealistic now. Kleiman is my number 2. There is a formula to be competitive in this league and I believe those guys can do it.
Man, I hope he gets an honest shot. If he’s behind in development I wish he’d go see that Steve Calhoun that turned Taylor Martinez into Chase Daniel.
Buying the excuses is what a fan does, but I fully expected him to be canned at the end of last year after the three win season. He was (stupidly) given a chance with new offensive staff. Chin turned back into a pumpkin once the super seniors cleared out their locker rooms. Frost picked the exact kinds of approaches that would make it hard to win in the B1G. Good defenses strung the zone read option out and closed out the runner. The added disadvantage was that our QB got the shit beaten out of him. Chins D with good players was passable. This year opposing teams seem to take whatever run yardage they want.
I like coach Joseph a lot, I just need to let the year play out before thinking he’s the guy. Can he get the team to respond and rattle off some good play after the Illinois game? We shall see. My only hope is that I’d MJ is hired, he keeps Bush, and fires everyone else.
Not for a second. A lot of people did though that aren't being particularly honest.
Close? I never thought we were as we continued to have penalties, turnovers, lousy ST, and bad game management for four consecutive years. I was off the bandwagon in year 2 when FHCSF chose to keep his buddies around.
The only thing we were close to was probably setting a record for the highest cost per win of ~$2.1M
The only thing we were close to was probably setting a record for the highest cost per win of ~$2.1M
