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Have been since 2001 when Gary Barnett exposed the defense. People have been clinging to the 90's for way too long now. Losses like tonight didn't start with Mike Riley, they are just the status quo for Nebraska football. Go back to Chris Brown and CU rampaging over our defense in Boulder (Frank Solich, Nebraska guy, TO hire, the "Nebraska way"), go back to Miami putting up 34-0 in the first half on Solich in primetime, go back to any of Bo's massive blowout, record-setting beatdowns; those all happened with the "style" and "identity" of football so many of you are clamoring for.

If you think Scott Frost coming back to Nebraska is suddenly going to turn back the clock, you are sadly mistaken. Scott Frost beating a Maryland team with a 3rd string QB does not impress me. That same team racked up 64 yards of total offense today. Scott Frost got blown out by Arkansas State ten months ago. UCF was 13-1 a few years ago without Scott Frost, has a 54k student enrollment, and sits directly in THE hotbed of football talent. Something tells me their talent is at least equal to ours. I haven't looked, but the old eyeball test might speak volumes if you looked at their roster and ours.

There is only one equalizer in football today: talent. If you have it, you can look like a genius. Bo did temporarily with Callahan's recruits. Ole Urban Meyer saw a dip coming at Florida and high-tailed it out of Gainesville only to show back up to a treasure trove in Columbus. If we make the same mistakes we did ten years ago, the cycle will only perpetuate.
 
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Suhrreal said:
Have been since 2001 when Gary Barnett exposed the defense. People have been clinging to the 90's for way too long now. Losses like tonight didn't start with Mike Riley, they are just the status quo for Nebraska football. Go back to Chris Brown and CU rampaging over our defense in Boulder (Frank Solich, Nebraska guy, TO hire, the "Nebraska way"), go back to Miami putting up 34-0 in the first half on Solich in primetime, go back to any of Bo's massive blowout, record-setting beatdowns; those all happened with the "style" and "identity" of football so many of you are clamoring for.

If you think Scott Frost coming back to Nebraska is suddenly going to turn back the clock, you are sadly mistaken. Scott Frost beating a Maryland team with a 3rd string QB does not impress me. That same team racked up 64 yards of total offense today. Scott Frost got blown out by Arkansas State ten months ago. UCF was 13-1 a few years ago without Scott Frost, has a 54k student enrollment, and sits directly in THE hotbed of football talent. Something tells me their talent is at least equal to ours. I haven't looked, but the old eyeball test might speak volumes if you looked at their roster and ours.

There is only one equalizer in football today: talent. If you have it, you can look like a genius. Bo did temporarily with Callahan's recruits. Ole Urban Meyer saw a dip coming at Florida and high-tailed it out of Gainesville only to show back up to a treasure trove in Columbus. If we make the same mistakes we did ten years ago, the cycle will only perpetuate.
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Better just pack it up and quit, burn everything down on the way out then. Past sucked and no chance for future anyway.
Would be easier than admiting mike Riley failed as head coach at Nebraska, wouldn't it?
 
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Have been since 2001 when Gary Barnett exposed the defense. People have been clinging to the 90's for way too long now. Losses like tonight didn't start with Mike Riley, they are just the status quo for Nebraska football. Go back to Chris Brown and CU rampaging over our defense in Boulder (Frank Solich, Nebraska guy, TO hire, the "Nebraska way"), go back to Miami putting up 34-0 in the first half on Solich in primetime, go back to any of Bo's massive blowout, record-setting beatdowns; those all happened with the "style" and "identity" of football so many of you are clamoring for.

If you think Scott Frost coming back to Nebraska is suddenly going to turn back the clock, you are sadly mistaken. Scott Frost beating a Maryland team with a 3rd string QB does not impress me. That same team racked up 64 yards of total offense today. Scott Frost got blown out by Arkansas State ten months ago. UCF was 13-1 a few years ago without Scott Frost, has a 54k student enrollment, and sits directly in THE hotbed of football talent. Something tells me their talent is at least equal to ours. I haven't looked, but the old eyeball test might speak volumes if you looked at their roster and ours.

There is only one equalizer in football today: talent. If you have it, you can look like a genius. Bo did temporarily with Callahan's recruits. Ole Urban Meyer saw a dip coming at Florida and high-tailed it out of Gainesville only to show back up to a treasure trove in Columbus. If we make the same mistakes we did ten years ago, the cycle will only perpetuate.
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So, what needs to happen?
 
Let's go back to Frank winning the BigXII conference in 1999. Let's go back to 2001 when Frank got us in the NC game.

Even Bo never had anything close to a losing season. 9 or 10 wins every year. Even a couple of division titles.

It's extremely obvious to me that Clownahan & MR are quite similar. They both rack up losing seasons with the greatest of ease. Dreaming that MR at 60 years old is magically going to have NU brought back to being a big powerhouse is simply silly.

It's time to roll the dice again. Just maybe we now have a better idea of what we need.
 
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That "style" and "identity" seems to be working well for Wisconsin. And they've done it without a single Top 25 recruiting class.
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But....will Wisconsin ever have enough talent to take down the fighting Urban's and win a national championship?
 
SnohomishRed said:
Ah the old "people are stuck in the 90's" thing again

No fans just want a well coached competitive team plenty of teams that recruit at lesser level than we do can do it
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No.
Questioning games like these or those in the past means you are a hick who expects NCs every year and wants to run the triple option.
Ask the asshole coalition, they'll tell ya.
 
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Listen.. EVERYBODY wants to win like the 90s. EVERY SINGLE HUSKER FAN WANTS TO WIN LIKE THE 90s. But there are some very real reasons to think that merely by hiring an inexperienced coach (who is doing well, and played here) is some kind of magic potion. It's weird.
 
SnohomishRed said:
Ah the old "people are stuck in the 90's" thing again
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Yeah, we all have calendars and memories. It gets old.

But I think I'll take with a grain of salt any pontification from anyone who needed until now to know that Riley was a bad hire.
 
Suhrreal said:
Have been since 2001 when Gary Barnett exposed the defense. People have been clinging to the 90's for way too long now. Losses like tonight didn't start with Mike Riley, they are just the status quo for Nebraska football. Go back to Chris Brown and CU rampaging over our defense in Boulder (Frank Solich, Nebraska guy, TO hire, the "Nebraska way"), go back to Miami putting up 34-0 in the first half on Solich in primetime, go back to any of Bo's massive blowout, record-setting beatdowns; those all happened with the "style" and "identity" of football so many of you are clamoring for.

If you think Scott Frost coming back to Nebraska is suddenly going to turn back the clock, you are sadly mistaken. Scott Frost beating a Maryland team with a 3rd string QB does not impress me. That same team racked up 64 yards of total offense today. Scott Frost got blown out by Arkansas State ten months ago. UCF was 13-1 a few years ago without Scott Frost, has a 54k student enrollment, and sits directly in THE hotbed of football talent. Something tells me their talent is at least equal to ours. I haven't looked, but the old eyeball test might speak volumes if you looked at their roster and ours.

There is only one equalizer in football today: talent. If you have it, you can look like a genius. Bo did temporarily with Callahan's recruits. Ole Urban Meyer saw a dip coming at Florida and high-tailed it out of Gainesville only to show back up to a treasure trove in Columbus. If we make the same mistakes we did ten years ago, the cycle will only perpetuate.
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Then who is your answer for the next HC? Not bagging on you, just interested in who you would like to see, then weigh in the probability of getting that coach.

Maybe the reality of things at Nebraska is this: Nebraska is where they should be, mostly winning seasons, an OCCASIONAL conference title, but not much more than that, and the fact that having two LEGENDARY coaches in Devaney and Osborne (who both saw their share of beatdowns by good teams during their tenures) was some sort of black hole/time warp in the college football world, and once they were gone, it set in motion a return to normalcy.

Maybe this is what Nebraska football was always meant to be, not the 36 years of off the chart football for a program that is basically in middle of the flyover zone of the country. Why should Nebraska be any different on average than Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, K-State, Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, and some others? I look at those Devaney/Osborne years now with total amazement and realize that it's going to take a coach (and staff) like one of them to get Nebraska back into the stratosphere of college football. The problem is, no one knows when, or if, it will ever happen.

Could Frost do it? Maybe, but how likely? I wouldn't sell him short, I think there's way more upside than a lot of people here want to give him.

Could Penn State's coach come to Lincoln and get them multiple conference titles? Purdue's coach? There are no sure things, no guarantees. And like I've said before, the next coach will be the right coach, until he proves he's the wrong coach. GBR!
 
4.6.3 said:
We need steroids, criminals, and a coach jussst dirty enough to cover for them.
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The schools that do what you said, have and have seemed to be doing ok. That is the only "Nebraska way" that has ever worked. You "football experts" know what we are talking about. Right?
 
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who wouldn't want to have the 90's back?

i think a lot fans knew that was lightning in a bottle, but not sure we prepared for much of what has transpired since. many were satisfied with bo, so the notion that everyone has been holding onto that is a little disgenuous.

regardless, whoever is coaching here in the near future may have a 'flush' (probably in the midst of one right now) season or two to get back to, sad to say, the 9 win season range. I'm preparing for that.

i would take a win over a top 20 opponent on several occasions and a conf championship every now and then...bo proved he could not do that and rileys group is sadly, showing even less.
 
I don't think many are naive to think there is some sort of "magic potion" that Frost or any other coach can just throw on the program to make make us good again. The problem is Riley, in his 18 years or so years of coaching college ball has never produced a brand of football that makes me believe he is building us towards that either. Especially after the lack of progress, lack of player development, and lack of a program identity at this point 2 1/2 years in.
 
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Suhrreal said:
Have been since 2001 when Gary Barnett exposed the defense. People have been clinging to the 90's for way too long now. Losses like tonight didn't start with Mike Riley, they are just the status quo for Nebraska football. Go back to Chris Brown and CU rampaging over our defense in Boulder (Frank Solich, Nebraska guy, TO hire, the "Nebraska way"), go back to Miami putting up 34-0 in the first half on Solich in primetime, go back to any of Bo's massive blowout, record-setting beatdowns; those all happened with the "style" and "identity" of football so many of you are clamoring for.

If you think Scott Frost coming back to Nebraska is suddenly going to turn back the clock, you are sadly mistaken. Scott Frost beating a Maryland team with a 3rd string QB does not impress me. That same team racked up 64 yards of total offense today. Scott Frost got blown out by Arkansas State ten months ago. UCF was 13-1 a few years ago without Scott Frost, has a 54k student enrollment, and sits directly in THE hotbed of football talent. Something tells me their talent is at least equal to ours. I haven't looked, but the old eyeball test might speak volumes if you looked at their roster and ours.

There is only one equalizer in football today: talent. If you have it, you can look like a genius. Bo did temporarily with Callahan's recruits. Ole Urban Meyer saw a dip coming at Florida and high-tailed it out of Gainesville only to show back up to a treasure trove in Columbus. If we make the same mistakes we did ten years ago, the cycle will only perpetuate.
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Losses like last night started with changing our identity back in 2003.. Come on nobody was going to beat Miami in 2001 regardless how bad were
getting beat that night in the Rose Bowl.

Pederson and Eichorst made bad hires and hired Coach's that changed our culture and identity of play, even Pelini teams started playing less physical football in practice... What we seen last night is what we used to be....
 
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Blackshirt30 said:
I don't think many are naive to think there is some sort of "magic potion" that Frost or any other coach can just throw on the program to make make us good again. The problem is Riley, in his 18 years or so years of coaching college ball has never produced a brand of football that makes me believe he is building us towards that either. Especially after the lack of progress, lack of player development, and lack of a program identity at this point 2 1/2 years in.
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Indeed!
 
HCIWSF will probably struggle at first. Maybe even have a few losing seasons at first. But, eventually, I think he can right the ship and actually be here for the long haul.

We know MR is not going to get us near/over the hump, and he cannot physically be here for the long haul.

Hire SF, back up the Brinks truck for whatever assistants he wants, and give him time and support.

GBR
 
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HCIWSF will probably struggle at first. Maybe even have a few losing seasons at first. But, eventually, I think he can right the ship and actually be here for the long haul.

We know MR is not going to get us near/over the hump, and he cannot physically be here for the long haul.

Hire SF, back up the Brinks truck for whatever assistants he wants, and give him time and support.

GBR
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Losing seasons at Nebraska are unacceptable. Goal posts are already moving and he is not even coach yet. Gee, who could have seen THAT coming.
 
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Losing seasons at Nebraska are unacceptable. Goal posts are already moving and he is not even coach yet. Gee, who could have seen THAT coming.
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I'd rather suffer some losing seasons, with a long-term plan in place to be nationally relevant, than continue to accept your lukewarm football. What a joke.
 
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It takes more than talent to win.

Clemson just won a NC despite not having a top 10 recruiting class until the 16’ class.

And vice-versa, Muschamp had 3 top 5 recruiting classes to work with while at Florida. How did that work out for him?

Nebraska needs a competent coach, it’s literally that simple. Why ANYONE would think a coach with a long standing career record barely above .500, would somehow turn into a championship level coach is beyond me.
 
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4.6.3 said:
Losing seasons at Nebraska are unacceptable. Goal posts are already moving and he is not even coach yet. Gee, who could have seen THAT coming.
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Seriously with next year’s schedule no matter who the next Head Coach is,it’s going to be a struggle to have a winning season in 2018 but the future would be brighter moving forward with a new Head Coach.
 
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I'd rather suffer some losing seasons, with a long-term plan in place to be nationally relevant, than continue to accept your lukewarm football. What a joke.
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As long as it's a former Husker coaching. You forgot that part. If is is an "outsider" they get no support.
Let's try and be a little honest.
 
4.6.3 said:
Riley is failing. But the rest of his post is spot-on. Truth hurts
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Not all of it was spot on. In reference to talent and Bo doing it for a while with Callahan's recruits. Bo's winning percentage in his last three years was slightly higher than his first 4 years with Callahan's recruits. Just goes to show coaching does make a difference.
 
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Never said that. Let's not be a troll again.
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Oh really? You said Frost may have a few losing seasons, and then MAYBE get it turned around. That is EXACTLY what you said. There is no way in hell you can say he would not have enough talent. The roster is in way better shape than when Riley took over.
Goal posts are moved for former Huskers. Admit it and we can all move on.
 
4.6.3 said:
Oh really? You said Frost may have a few losing seasons, and then MAYBE get it turned around. That is EXACTLY what you said. There is no way in hell you can say he would not have enough talent. The roster is in way better shape than when Riley took over.
Goal posts are moved for former Huskers. Admit it and we can all move on.
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I'd have the same expectations for an outsider. Look at next year's schedule. The schemes will likely change. Staff turnover. Player turnover.
Still better than your lukewarm football.
 
kchu5ker555 said:
I'd have the same expectations for an outsider. Look at next year's schedule. The schemes will likely change. Staff turnover. Player turnover.
Still better than your lukewarm football.
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We're in year seven with fluff-ball (including Clownahan). Will we ever learn?
 
bshirt73 said:
We're in year seven with fluff-ball (including Clownahan). Will we ever learn?
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408 needs to be thrown in. One freaking guy made last night look like the best defense ever, and he did it in 3 quarters.
You can't say the D-line is not tough, being as they are coached up by a former Husker.
 
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