Under the 4 team format, Ohio State wouldn't have qualified

[TripleOption67]

Another thing to remember is when you add more teams and more games, the fans have more travel expenses. Traveling to multiple sites adds up. Can fans sustain the cost of going to every game as a team progresses through the playoffs? Some fan bases can but not all.

Will those that don't travel stay home and watch? Maybe, but the TV ratings were released today and there was a 12% drop in viewership from last year's championship game. The big crescendo of the first 12 team playoff ended with less viewers. In fact this was the 3rd lowest audience for a title game in the 11 years of the college playoff. All three have occurred in the last 5 years.

Kind of an indictment of the state of college football and how it's no longer a "unique" sport.

 

[Dean Pope]

Ohio State winning the championship was the best example of why a 12 team playoff needed to happen years ago.

Who says that the best team needs to win every year? Upsets happen. Fluke plays, injuries. All that is going on now is that the regular season means a lot less than it used to for the super talented teams.

But now that the TV money 12 team playoffs is here, it will never get smaller. At some point, it will expand to 16 teams, maybe 20. Someday a four loss team will make the playoffs. Coaching staffs will make the playoffs and still lose their jobs. It won't be a big deal to make the playoffs. Even at Nebraska, someday we will qualify for the playoffs and if we lose in the first round it will be deemed unacceptable.

 

[Dean Pope]

If they expand to 16, up to 8 cities with appropriate facilities could score a weekend of pre-holiday lodging, food and entertainment dough. I can see the argument of the top seeds getting a home stadium game, their season play earned that. But I don’t see why the 8 seed gets a home game over a 9. The first round games would bring fuller stadiums than most bowl games and would be a lucrative draw for host cities.

Most 1st round neutral field playoff games would have empty seats. Potentially a lot of them unless tickets get given away or sold at reduced prices. Fans of top seeded teams will look at the possibility of traveling to four neutral site games and decide to save their money and watch the first blowout victory or maybe even the second round blowout at home.

 

[Dean Pope]

What about Notre Dame? Wouldn't Notre Dame be more deserving than either 2 loss Texas or Penn State?

Didn't Notre Dame lose to a four TD underdog at home? Notre Dame certainly deserved to make the playoffs and they played well. But if there was a four team playoff, they should not have been in it.

 

[Dean Pope]

Best vs deserving is a false dichotomy. No one knows who the "best" is until after the games are played.

Damn it. Paul Finebaum knows! ESPN knows!

 

[BTF69]

Who says that the best team needs to win every year? Upsets happen. Fluke plays, injuries. All that is going on now is that the regular season means a lot less than it used to for the super talented teams.

But now that the TV money 12 team playoffs is here, it will never get smaller. At some point, it will expand to 16 teams, maybe 20. Someday a four loss team will make the playoffs. Coaching staffs will make the playoffs and still lose their jobs. It won't be a big deal to make the playoffs. Even at Nebraska, someday we will qualify for the playoffs and if we lose in the first round it will be deemed unacceptable.

Amen!

So many CFB fans have been conditioned to think that a playoff is bad and that bowl games are the only way.

What started as a nice little "trip" for players turned into something that was hyper-controlled by the NCAA and Good Ole Boys. For YEARS the "best team" did not always win it all, just the team that started in the right spot and had the most "votes"

 

[Dean Pope]

But the team that won it all lost their last regular season game to a .500 team. Were they really playing that well when the selections were made?

And if they had to turn around and play Oregon in the Big 10 title game the following week on a neutral field, Ohio State may have lost that one as well. They needed those three weeks to regroup, including the fan base.

 

[Dean Pope]

Looking forward to Nebraska being relevant enough to put their name in the hat

For the rabid fans among us, the thrill of making the playoffs will last, what? Five minutes? Get soundly beaten on a higher ranked team's home field and a lot of people will not be happy. In time, the CFP Participation plaque isn't going to mean squat to programs with the most spoiled fan bases. Nobody is gonna chant "We're number 12!" during the off season.

 

[BTF69]

For the rabid fans among us, the thrill of making the playoffs will last, what? Five minutes? Get soundly beaten on a higher ranked team's home field and a lot of people will not be happy. In time, the CFP Participation plaque isn't going to mean squat to programs with the most spoiled fan bases. Nobody is gonna chant "We're number 12!" during the off season.

It will become a smaller version of March Madness, with that rush of enthusiasm followed by that empty feeling if NU (or whatever team a fan cheers for) gets beat.

 

[WHCSC]

For the rabid fans among us, the thrill of making the playoffs will last, what? Five minutes? Get soundly beaten on a higher ranked team's home field and a lot of people will not be happy. In time, the CFP Participation plaque isn't going to mean squat to programs with the most spoiled fan bases. Nobody is gonna chant "We're number 12!" during the off season.

Got to start somewhere

 

[Dean Pope]

It will become a smaller version of March Madness, with that rush of enthusiasm followed by that empty feeling if NU (or whatever team a fan cheers for) gets beat.

For the fan bases that are not spoiled? Yes. But for those really intense fan bases, that isn't the case. If Ohio State loses to Tennessee, Ryan Day may have been fired. The perception is that making the playoffs is not a big deal anymore. Check out March Madness, if a great team loses in the first round or even the second round, are pissed off.

 

[scarletred]

Amen!

So many CFB fans have been conditioned to think that a playoff is bad and that bowl games are the only way.

What started as a nice little "trip" for players turned into something that was hyper-controlled by the NCAA and Good Ole Boys. For YEARS the "best team" did not always win it all, just the team that started in the right spot and had the most "votes"

Show me who had won the national championship and wasn’t the best team lately..

2019 LSU would have beaten 2024 Ohio St.

LSU beat 7 top 10 teams.

 

[c3o]

For the rabid fans among us, the thrill of making the playoffs will last, what? Five minutes? Get soundly beaten on a higher ranked team's home field and a lot of people will not be happy. In time, the CFP Participation plaque isn't going to mean squat to programs with the most spoiled fan bases. Nobody is gonna chant "We're number 12!" during the off season.

We are lucky to be #12 in our own conference.

 

[BTF69]

Show me who had won the national championship and wasn’t the best team lately..

2019 LSU would have beaten 2024 Ohio St.

LSU beat 7 top 10 teams.

Well that is just it, we don't know for sure because they did not have to play in a real playoff format.

Just look at March Madness, how often does the #1 overall seed win it all?

This year, in football, Oregon was the undefeated #1 badass. UGA was 2? Neither made the championship game. How many times in the past 25 years would we have a different champ had they competed in a 12 team playoff? !999 NU probably beats FSU but instead they had to play Tenn.

 

[BTF69]

For the fan bases that are not spoiled? Yes. But for those really intense fan bases, that isn't the case. If Ohio State loses to Tennessee, Ryan Day may have been fired. The perception is that making the playoffs is not a big deal anymore. Check out March Madness, if a great team loses in the first round or even the second round, are pissed off.

Oh I totally agree. That is what I was saying too.

 

[scarletred]

Well that is just it, we don't know for sure because they did not have to play in a real playoff format.

Just look at March Madness, how often does the #1 overall seed win it all?

This year, in football, Oregon was the undefeated #1 badass. UGA was 2? Neither made the championship game. How many times in the past 25 years would we have a different champ had they competed in a 12 team playoff? !999 NU probably beats FSU but instead they had to play Tenn.

LSU was by far better than Oregon or any other team that was fielded in 2024 get real.

Georgia lost because their starting QB was injured in the SEC CCG and was out for the season.

Never compare football to basketball that’s ludicrous . Did you ever play on any one of them?

 

[BTF69]

LSU was by far better than Oregon or any other team that was fielded in 2024 get real.

Georgia lost because their starting QB was injured in the SEC CCG and was out for the season.

Never compare football to basketball that’s ludicrous . Did you ever play on any one of them?

What LSU team are you talking about? This years?

Right, UGA lost their QB, injuries are part of the game of any game.

It is easy to compare sports and in fact we did just see that the #1 and #2 seeded teams don't end up in the title game.

I mean, here are the facts, you are either going to keep watching CFB and will watch the soon to be expanded 16 team playoff. Or you will not.

I have a feeling you will keep watching and I have a feeling you will love it.

 

[scarletred]

What LSU team are you talking about? This years?

Right, UGA lost their QB, injuries are part of the game of any game.

It is easy to compare sports and in fact we did just see that the #1 and #2 seeded teams don't end up in the title game.

I mean, here are the facts, you are either going to keep watching CFB and will watch the soon to be expanded 16 team playoff. Or you will not.

I have a feeling you will keep watching and I have a feeling you will love it.

Read my previous post above.

That LSU team is the best team in college football since the 1995 Husker team and they proved it on the field by beating 7 of the 15 teams in the top 10.

Georgia would have beaten ND if Carsten Beck would have played, quit making up fairytales.

What facts. The fact is the bowls ARE apart of the CFP.

 

[BTF69]

Read my previous post above.

That LSU team is the best team in college football since the 1995 Husker team and they proved it on the field by beating 7 of the 15 teams in the top 10.

Georgia would have beaten ND if Carsten Beck would have played, quit making up fairytales.

What facts. The fact is the bowls ARE apart of the CFP.

No one looks at the CFP as bowl games anymore. Well, just you. No one else.

The only "bowl games" now are for the teams that don't make the CFP.

Are you saying that injuries are NOT part of the game? Hmmm

 

[scarletred]

No one looks at the CFP as bowl games anymore. Well, just you. No one else.

The only "bowl games" now are for the teams that don't make the CFP.

Are you saying that injuries are NOT part of the game? Hmmm

Wrong.
Doofus, Ohio State have Rose and Cotton bowl trophies.
ND has Sugar and Orange bowl trophies.
Now what.

 

[BTF69]

Wrong.
Doofus, Ohio State have Rose and Cotton bowl trophies. Now what.

You call people a lot of names!

The only trophy they care about is the National Championship one.

Look, all that is mentioned is the National Championship Trophy: https://www.dispatch.com/story/spor...al-championship-trophy-this-week/77781267007/

Playoffs, that is all that matters.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

What LSU team are you talking about? This years?

Right, UGA lost their QB, injuries are part of the game of any game.

It is easy to compare sports and in fact we did just see that the #1 and #2 seeded teams don't end up in the title game.

I mean, here are the facts, you are either going to keep watching CFB and will watch the soon to be expanded 16 team playoff. Or you will not.

I have a feeling you will keep watching and I have a feeling you will love it.

Comparing basketball and football is tough because of the number of games played and the number of "allowable losses" you can have and still be considered a successful season.

In college hoops, last year teams ranked lower than 4th, in the polls, all had at least 7 losses. They play 30+ games, play 2 times per week and there are multiple tournaments in the pre conference schedule and there are post season conference tournaments. You can play the same team 3 and on occasion 4 times in a season.

From 1985-2023 a number 1 seed has won the title 25 times. 6,7,8 seeds have won the title 1 time each, 5 seed never, 4 seed 2 time, 3 seed 4 times and 2 seed 5 times.

Teams seeded 1-6 are the only teams with overall winning records.

Point being, for as much as people think the seeds don't hold true in basketball, they actually do hold true a vast majority of the time.

These are first round games records by seed from 1985-2023, with the exception of the 8-9 matchup which is a coin flip game anyway, the higher seed wins 61% or greater in every other matchup.

1 vs. 16	150-2	.987
2 vs. 15	141-11	.928
3 vs. 14	130-22	.855
4 vs. 13	120-32	.789
5 vs. 12	99-53	.651
6 vs. 11	94-58	.618
7 vs. 10*	92-59	.609
8 vs. 9	74-78	.487

 

[Landomatic]

Did you ever play on any one of them?

You keep saying this like it matters. Lots of great sports minds who never played the actual sport they know a lot about.

Do you need your oncologist to have actually had cancer for them to be good at their job?

 

[scarletred]

You call people a lot of names!


Playoffs, that is all that matters.

Well when you’re thick headed and don’t admit the facts that the bowls games are part of the playoffs, I guess the shoe fits.

Spin it all you what by changing to your narrative but I’m right with the facts right in your face and you can’t admit it, and the same will be used next season but the bowl games will be in different order..

 

[BTF69]

Well when you’re thick headed and don’t admit the facts that the bowls games are part of the playoffs, I guess the shoe fits.

Spin it all you what by changing to your narrative but I’m right with the facts right in your face and you can’t admit it, and the same will be used next season but the bowl games will be in different order..

I said you are right! The "bowl games" are part of the playoffs.

I am just saying that no one cares or even calls them "Bowl game playoff games"

 

[BTF69]

Comparing basketball and football is tough because of the number of games played and the number of "allowable losses" you can have and still be considered a successful season.

In college hoops, last year teams ranked lower than 4th, in the polls, all had at least 7 losses. They play 30+ games, play 2 times per week and there are multiple tournaments in the pre conference schedule and there are post season conference tournaments. You can play the same team 3 and on occasion 4 times in a season.

From 1985-2023 a number 1 seed has won the title 25 times. 6,7,8 seeds have won the title 1 time each, 5 seed never, 4 seed 2 time, 3 seed 4 times and 2 seed 5 times.

Teams seeded 1-6 are the only teams with overall winning records.

Point being, for as much as people think the seeds don't hold true in basketball, they actually do hold true a vast majority of the time.

These are first round games records by seed from 1985-2023, with the exception of the 8-9 matchup which is a coin flip game anyway, the higher seed wins 61% or greater in every other matchup.

1 vs. 16	150-2	.987
2 vs. 15	141-11	.928
3 vs. 14	130-22	.855
4 vs. 13	120-32	.789
5 vs. 12	99-53	.651
6 vs. 11	94-58	.618
7 vs. 10*	92-59	.609
8 vs. 9	74-78	.487

Oh for sure. Usually the "best" team will win it all. But they settle it on the court. Which is awesome.

 

[scarletred]

You keep saying this like it matters. Lots of great sports minds who never played the actual sport they know a lot about.

Do you need your oncologist to have actually had cancer for them to be good at their job?

It was purely to distinguish the difference between the two sports.

For every football game played you play close to over 3 basketball games.

 

[BTF69]

It was purely to distinguish the difference between the two sports.

For every football game played you play close to over 3 basketball games.

Also in BB they use a round ball. Just another distinguishing fact.

 

[Big bo fan]

Read my previous post above.

That LSU team is the best team in college football since the 1995 Husker team and they proved it on the field by beating 7 of the 15 teams in the top 10.

Georgia would have beaten ND if Carsten Beck would have played, quit making up fairytales.

What facts. The fact is the bowls ARE apart of the CFP.

I am not convinced that Georgia beats ND with Carson Beck .

 

[thall_]

I am not convinced that Georgia beats ND with Carson Beck .

Me neither. Same team that got their ass handed to them by Ole Miss..

No team suffered greater from Saban retiring than Georgia. They no longer have their God to compare themselves to.