Thoughts on NU basketball

[big red22]

I counted 9 in my head...full disclaimer, this is me trying to provide facts and not bashing Miles. Some get the two confused.

2013
Leslee Smith F Liberal, KS 6'8" 250 4/1/13 (CARRY OVER FROM DOC)
Tai Webster G Auckland, New Zealand, null 6'3" 8/22/12
Nathan Hawkins G Rowlett, TX 6'5" 8/11/12 (TRANSFER)
Nick Fuller G Sun Prairie, WI 6'7" 195 8/10/12
Tim Wagner G Galesville, WI 6'3" 175 3/12/13 (WALK
ON)

Terran Petteway (Left early for pro career)
Walter Pitchford (Left early for pro career)

2014
Tarin Smith G Jersey City, NJ 6'1" 175 3/17/14 (TRANSFER)
Jacob Hammond C Comanche, OK 6'10" 230 8/13/13 (TRANSFER)

Andrew White III (TRANSFER)

2015
Bakari Evelyn G Gilbert, AZ 6'2" 175 4/14/15 (TRANSFER)
Edward Morrow F Chicago, IL 6'7" 210 9/22/14
Glynn Watson G Westchester, IL 5'11" 160 9/1/14
Michael Jacobson F Waukee, IA 6'8" 215 8/1/14
Jack McVeigh F Austrailia 6'8 205

2016

Jordy Tshimanga C Springfield, MA 6'11" 270 5/16/16
Jeriah Horne F Kansas City, MO 6'6" 220 10/2/15
Isaiah Roby F Dixon, IL 6'8" 203 10/22/14

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

2013
Leslee Smith F Liberal, KS 6'8" 250 4/1/13 (CARRY OVER FROM DOC)
Tai Webster G Auckland, New Zealand, null 6'3" 8/22/12
Nathan Hawkins G Rowlett, TX 6'5" 8/11/12 (TRANSFER)
Nick Fuller G Sun Prairie, WI 6'7" 195 8/10/12
Tim Wagner G Galesville, WI 6'3" 175 3/12/13 (WALK
ON)

Terran Petteway (Left early for pro career)
Walter Pitchford (Left early for pro career)

2014
Tarin Smith G Jersey City, NJ 6'1" 175 3/17/14 (TRANSFER)
Jacob Hammond C Comanche, OK 6'10" 230 8/13/13 (TRANSFER)

Andrew White III (TRANSFER)

2015
Bakari Evelyn G Gilbert, AZ 6'2" 175 4/14/15 (TRANSFER)
Edward Morrow F Chicago, IL 6'7" 210 9/22/14
Glynn Watson G Westchester, IL 5'11" 160 9/1/14
Michael Jacobson F Waukee, IA 6'8" 215 8/1/14
Jack McVeigh F Austrailia 6'8 205

2016

Jordy Tshimanga C Springfield, MA 6'11" 270 5/16/16
Jeriah Horne F Kansas City, MO 6'6" 220 10/2/15
Isaiah Roby F Dixon, IL 6'8" 203 10/22/14

Interesting

 

[huskerbaseball13]

2013
Leslee Smith F Liberal, KS 6'8" 250 4/1/13 (CARRY OVER FROM DOC)
Tai Webster G Auckland, New Zealand, null 6'3" 8/22/12
Nathan Hawkins G Rowlett, TX 6'5" 8/11/12 (TRANSFER)
Nick Fuller G Sun Prairie, WI 6'7" 195 8/10/12
Tim Wagner G Galesville, WI 6'3" 175 3/12/13 (WALK
ON)

Terran Petteway (Left early for pro career)
Walter Pitchford (Left early for pro career)

2014
Tarin Smith G Jersey City, NJ 6'1" 175 3/17/14 (TRANSFER)
Jacob Hammond C Comanche, OK 6'10" 230 8/13/13 (TRANSFER)

Andrew White III (TRANSFER)

2015
Bakari Evelyn G Gilbert, AZ 6'2" 175 4/14/15 (TRANSFER)
Edward Morrow F Chicago, IL 6'7" 210 9/22/14
Glynn Watson G Westchester, IL 5'11" 160 9/1/14
Michael Jacobson F Waukee, IA 6'8" 215 8/1/14
Jack McVeigh F Austrailia 6'8 205

2016

Jordy Tshimanga C Springfield, MA 6'11" 270 5/16/16
Jeriah Horne F Kansas City, MO 6'6" 220 10/2/15
Isaiah Roby F Dixon, IL 6'8" 203 10/22/14

Yeah, you are missing a few players BTW. Nor was Leslee Smith a Doc recruit.

 

[dinglefritz]

Yeah, you are missing a few players BTW. Nor was Leslee Smith a Doc recruit.

I think I read an article that said that over a third of all D-1 basketball recruits transfer at least once during their college career. So if you don't take advantage of trying to pick up some talent from that pool OR if you don't trim some guys via transfer, you probably aren't doing your job. It's when you lose a guy like White that it bites. That's happened once with White during Miles' tenure. He's trying to build now with young talent and if we can keep them all on board it will pay dividends down the road. Smith was a transfer if I remember correctly and if he could have stayed healthy was a darned good player.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Well Miles is at about 50% so there is that.

 

[dinglefritz]

Well Miles is at about 50% so there is that.

The only guy we lost to transfer that mattered was White and that may turn out to be a blessing in the long run.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

The only guy we lost to transfer that mattered was White and that may turn out to be a blessing in the long run.

So then I guess you would have to question his talent evaluation then.

I was just responding to your point about 1/3 of all players transfer by saying Miles was at 50%. I am sure not all of the 33% who transferred from the rest of the schools were players that "mattered"

 

[big red22]

This Creighton team is real good, and their pace is unreal. As you know I am no Creighton fan, but this team may be the best I have ever seen. They could of scored 130 tonight

 

[Sooner_or_Later]

Watched Creighton tonight and was not impressed one bit vs a poor NC State squad. Zero inside toughness. I'll call my shot now and say Huskers win by 8pts

 

[artguy68]

What is up with Anton Gill? He was supposed to step into Andrew White's shoes, and I heard that last year he dominated in practices.

 

[big red22]

What is up with Anton Gill? He was supposed to step into Andrew White's shoes, and I heard that last year he dominated in practices.

Could be one of two things

1. He is coming off a knee injury after not playing a game for a year an a half, and is just extremely rusty.

2. He just isn't the player we all thought he was going to be.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

This Creighton team is real good, and their pace is unreal. As you know I am no Creighton fan, but this team may be the best I have ever seen. They could of scored 130 tonight

So do you believe they are better "on paper" compared to Nebraska right now? Change of heart?

 

[big red22]

So do you believe they are better "on paper" compared to Nebraska right now? Change of heart?

No I don't believe they are better on paper. On paper is referring to their hype coming into the program. They are a better team at the moment without question, but that is not what I am referring to "On Paper"

 

[Sooner_or_Later]

Creighton looked very beatable tonight vs a crappy Ole Miss team

 

[bigboxes]

So do you believe they are better "on paper" compared to Nebraska right now? Change of heart?

Stop being a Richard. You know what "on paper" means. Sheezus.

 

[newAD]

Creighton looked very beatable tonight vs a crappy Ole Miss team

They didn't look good in the first half. Mississippi was very hot from 3s in the first, but it didn't last. CU outscored them by 12 in the second. CU also didn't play the bench as much in the 2nd from what I remember. CU plays very good defense when it counts.

So CU has beat teams from the Big 10, Pac 12, ACC, and the SEC, while Nebraska has beat who?

Wisconsin and Mississippi showed CU can give up a boat load of offensive rebounds...and still win. As a Husker fan, that's pretty concerning, because Nebraska doesn't exactly look like they are going to be able to have the success on the boards like those 2 teams did against them IMHO.

Right now, I see way more match up problems for Nebraska than I do for CU.

CU might be overrated, but right now they are a lot more battle tested than Nebraska. We'll see what happens this weekend for Nebraska. A bad showing is not what Nebraska needs with Clemson and CU on the horizon.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Stop being a Richard. You know what "on paper" means. Sheezus.

Uh yeah...that's why I'm still saying his post is laughable. It would appear, you have no idea what on paper means as well. Break it down for us Boxes...by all means.

Creighton's first road test will be in Lincoln so we have that going for us. For a team that will continue to live and die by the three(and they have been really good at it thus far)...hopefully the PBA rims are not kind to them.

 

[newAD]

Uh yeah...that's why I'm still saying his post is laughable. It would appear, you have no idea what on paper means as well. Break it down for us Boxes...by all means.

Creighton's first road test will be in Lincoln so we have that going for us. For a team that will continue to live and die by the three(and they have been really good at it thus far)...hopefully the PBA rims are not kind to them.

Over 61% from 3s last night. That was sick. What scares me is that Nebraska will have to respect their ability to hit 3s (there's at least 6 players who you have to respect on the outside), and stretch the D, but in doing so, you are inviting M. Watson to drive and break down the D. On top of that, he's got that alley oop thing going with Patton.

 

[big red22]

bump ... Just want to see where everyone is at

 

[bigboxes]

bump ... Just want to see where everyone is at

Yeah, kind of painful reading all the hand wringing in this thread. Don't worry. We'll lose some more games and have more injuries and then we'll be right back to this thread with people saying to you, "I told you so!" It is nice to win consecutive road games against IU and Maryland.

 

[schuele]

Since the Gardner-Webb debacle, Miles has made some nice adjustments. Horne and Roby are getting a lot more playing time (due also to Gill's injury) and it's made the Huskers more athletic on both ends of the floor. Watson also seems to be looking to score more, not just from the three-point line but also with some nice mid-range shots. Webster and Morrow have also been solid, but that's been the case all season.

Today Miles also made a great defensive adjustment, slapping a 1-3-1 zone on the Terps that they could not handle. Good to see him step away from the He Man Zone Haters Club that so many college coach pledge their allegiance to. It was a huge factor in today's win.

 

[big red22]

Glynn wouldn't start over Foster because they are not the same position obviously.

Foster > Webster...not even debatable.

Not even debatable?

I'd love to see peoples thoughts on this now?

Thanks, I knew it was several but didn't know the exact number.

I will admit up front that I don't think Miles is the guy for the job. After 4 seasons I still do not see an identity to this program, other than we have the coach that tweets at halftime of games. As I said before, it like deja vu, year 3 was going to be the year, then it was wait until Andrew White gets to play, now its Glynn Watson is going to lead the team like AI did the Sixers (Kidding, sort of). Every season it's like starting over from scratch. there is no building upon the year before.

I can appreciate where BigRed22 is coming from with his optimism, but until I see something more than a 10 game stretch of consistent play, my money is on 5-7 Big Ten wins and 12-16 total wins and another missed post season.

Does back to back road wins against the class of the league count?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Not even debatable?

I'd love to see peoples thoughts on this now?


Does back to back road wins against the class of the league count?

My opinion has not changed. Foster is still a better 2 guard. Obviously GW is a better PG but that's not Fosters position.

 

[big red22]

My opinion has not changed. Foster is still a better 2 guard. Obviously GW is a better PG but that's not Fosters position.

The fact that someone says it is not debatable is what I am calling out here

 

[ru4nu2win]

Who's Foster?

 

[GBRhuskers]

Today Miles also made a great defensive adjustment, slapping a 1-3-1 zone on the Terps that they could not handle

Drive back from Nashville today, xm radio had the Terps broadcast. Holy homer city, they were extremely bad.

Each time we went to the 1-3-1, their broadcasters kept saying "we have a great shooting lineup to match this". And all I kept on hearing was, "rebound Nebraska" or "foul Maryland". It was a thing of beauty listening to their disbelief of not scoring.

And to toot my own horn, from 12/18:

Why don't we press to change our offensive tempo? Why don't we go to a 1-3-1 half court zone to change thingsup?

Although it wasn't half court, at least they didn't mention that on the radio, I'm glad Miles reads this board for suggestions.

@dinglefritz go back to the "Tim" thread, it's nice to see Miles changing things up.

 

[newAD]

Not even debatable?

I'd love to see peoples thoughts on this now?

Does back to back road wins against the class of the league count?

Regarding your first point:
They are both good for the offenses they run, and I don't think either would be as good in the other's offense. They both have different strengths, and it isn't really apples to apples.

If Miles really wanted to go fast, I'd want a ball handler/distributor like Marcus, and I'd be happy as heck with a guy like Glynn at the 2. But since he doesnt, Glynn works well.

Regarding your 2nd:
I'm excited as hell for these two wins, but right now I'm not sure who the class of the league is. Purdue just lost to Minny. The BIG is really looking to be down this season.

 

[newAD]

Drive back from Nashville today, xm radio had the Terps broadcast. Holy homer city, they were extremely bad.

Each time we went to the 1-3-1, their broadcasters kept saying "we have a great shooting lineup to match this". And all I kept on hearing was, "rebound Nebraska" or "foul Maryland". It was a thing of beauty listening to their disbelief of not scoring.

And to toot my own horn, from 12/18:

Why don't we press to change our offensive tempo? Why don't we go to a 1-3-1 half court zone to change thingsup?

Although it wasn't half court, at least they didn't mention that on the radio, I'm glad Miles reads this board for suggestions.

@dinglefritz go back to the "Tim" thread, it's nice to see Miles changing things up.

Read what Turgeon said about the game. They were not prepared for it. IMHO, we dont win that game without that defensive change.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

No 2 wins in late December/ early January doesn't prove anything to me for the long term. This team still lost to Gardner Webb at home.

When this team has won more than 7 conference games and 16 total games and makes the NCAA tournament then get back to me.

 

[schuele]

When this team has won more than 7 conference games and 16 total games and makes the NCAA tournament then get back to me.

Fair enough, but you can't win more than 7 conference games without first winning two - and winning at Bloomington and at College Park is a good start.

I don't think anyone here is saying, "Problems all solved, Huskers have arrived." But the recent adjustments and improvements are encouraging.

 

[bigboxes]

Fair enough, but you can't win more than 7 conference games without first winning two - and winning at Bloomington and at College Park is a good start.

I don't think anyone here is saying, "Problems all solved, Huskers have arrived." But the recent adjustments and improvements are encouraging.

I think I'll go ahead and enjoy the victories regardless of when that is ok with some others.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Fair enough, but you can't win more than 7 conference games without first winning two - and winning at Bloomington and at College Park is a good start.

I don't think anyone here is saying, "Problems all solved, Huskers have arrived." But the recent adjustments and improvements are encouraging.

He asked me if those two road wins against the "class" of the league counted.

Obviously they count, but they don't convince me that Miles is the guy for the job. He's had wins against the class of the league in previous seasons too.

 

[GBRhuskers]

The zone worked but the man worked in the first half as well. The biggest "changeup" though IMO was that we're making shots. Horne has helped the team with his shooting and energy. Zone meant nothing if we don't knock down shots. ...I know. It took both. It's great to see things clicking. Our percentage from 3 is way up.

Not really, Maryland missed a ton of bunnies and open shots in the first half. That's not good man defense, that's unlucky offense. We're very lucky Maryland wasn't up 12-15 at the half.

Horne extensive time, although his defense is still bad, another change. Roby, not getting pulled when he makes the first mistake, another change. There's other stuff too. It's more than just "making shots", giving opportunities and willing to get away from "the norm" is what I see has sparked this team.

 

[schuele]

Crazy thought, I know, but perhaps our percentage from 3 is way up because different players are taking them. McVeigh and Gill, for example, were both below 30%. Obviously nobody wanted to see Gill get hurt, but not having those two on the floor seems to have done wonders for the team's 3-pt percentage. Jacobson (14%) isn't really taking threes anymore either. He has 21 3-point attempts on the season, but he took none yesterday and I don't think he took any against Indiana.

Watson seems to have heated up from the arc, but what has really impressed me the past two games is that he's not just settling for threes. He's also using his quickness to get some separation and knock in some 15-16 footers.

 

[dinglefritz]

Not really, Maryland missed a ton of bunnies and open shots in the first half. That'sSou not good man defense, that's unlucky offense. We're very lucky Maryland wasn't up 12-15 at the half.

Horne extensive time, although his defense is still bad, another change. Roby, not getting pulled when he makes the first mistake, another change. There's other stuff too. It's more than just "making shots", giving opportunities and willing to get away from "the norm" is what I see has sparked this team.

Your point about the changes is noted but Trimble missed a couple of 3s at the end that could be considered unlucky offense as well. My point about needing to knock down 3s is still valid. IF we shot like we did against GW we would have been blown out of both of these last two games and the zone wouldn't have mattered. Thankfully Miles realized we had to shoot the ball better and gave Horne some minutes.

 

[GBRhuskers]

Your point about the changes is noted but Trimble missed a couple of 3s at the end that could be considered unlucky offense as well. My point about needing to knock down 3s is still valid. IF we shot like we did against GW we would have been blown out of both of these last two games and the zone wouldn't have mattered. Thankfully Miles realized we had to shoot the ball better and gave Horne some minutes.

Not sure I've argued against the "shoot better" stance you've had. I feel that's pretty obvious but when you have the same squares shooting in the same pegs, it's on the coach to make changes which is what my stance has been for awhile. Miles has made changes, or so it seems.

Indiana game was crazy good shooting. We didn't make a 3 against Maryland during the second half run, did we?

Best part of the last two games, we won in a different way. That's a good sign, can't wait till Thursday!

 

[GBRhuskers]

IF we shot like we did against GW we would have been blown out of both of these last two games

GW game:
22-56, 3-17

UM game:
24-57, 4-12

 

[dinglefritz]

GW game:
22-56, 3-17

UM game:
24-57, 4-12

Could have sworn we made more 3s than that but Glynn, Tai and Horne all missed 3s in the 2nd half. Still that's 33% compared to 17%. At one point I was sure we were over 50% from 3 but in any case 5 less missed 3's is a big deal. Part of that IMO was that hitting them in the first half made Maryland extend their D which helped open the lane a little. There is no doubt that Maryland came out much more aggressively with their perimeter D in the 2nd half and it hurt us. Tai's penetration was a game changer late in the game.

 

[GBRhuskers]

Could have sworn we made more 3s than that but Glynn, Tai and Horne all missed 3s in the 2nd half. Still that's 33% compared to 17%. I turned on the radio after the TV feed was over and listened to the post game. At one point I was sure we were over 50% from 3 but in any case 5 less missed 3's is a big deal. Part of that IMO was that hitting them in the first half made Maryland extend their D which helped open the lane a little. There is no doubt that Maryland came out much more aggressively with their perimeter D in the 2nd half and it hurt us. Tai's penetration was a game changer late in the game.

We shot more, but only made one more. Percentages are deceiving though when there's only one make of difference.

Wish I could've listened to Kent the last couple games.