Thoughts on NU basketball

[newAD]

I'm just saying that we aren't as bad as you make us out to be. Do I want to beat Creighton? With all my heart and every time. Do I think that NU will pull off the upset? Probably not. I'm hopeful they will be competitive enough to keep us in the game.

I hope Nebraska is too. What scares me is from the ball boys to the HC, CU expects to beat Nebraska, and they have way more depth. That's not even up for discussion. Nebraska hopes to beat CU.

CU assistant Devries has come up with the defensive game plans the last couple of years for Nebraska, and they have absolutely been stifling on D. G Watson will get a steady bit of K Thomas, then a fresh and very under rated defender Zierden will take over (IMO).

I had hoped that JT would be able to play Patton to a draw in the post, but after seeing JT in action, Patton gets the edge until I'm proven wrong. CU has 2 additonal proven posts to throw at Jacobsen.

Huff at 6'8" with his range and athleticism is a matchup problem. M Watson is experienced enough that I see him getting to the rack and to the line against Miles' D.

If G Watson can't drive, and Nebraska can't get some inside points, and it turns into an outside game, it's game over.

CU has shown the ability to get open shots through great ball movement vs Miles D. I'm not convinced that problem won't be there again.

 

[bigboxes]

Yes, we have to get penetration to open up our game. I'm looking forward to seeing this young team develop throughout the year. Creighton already has a good team. It would be considered an upset if they lost to us. I believe it's going to be a fun year!

 

[chicolby]

Where is this paper people are talking about. Where on paper is Kansas better than Nebraska? Where on paper is Nebraska better than Creighton?

I want to know where to buy this paper.

The only thing I rely on is a point spread and maybe rankings. In both of those situations, Nebraska will be considered the worse of the two teams. So what?

Nebraska has won as an underdog and has lost as a favorite.

 

[Spectrumalaska]

Hey Nebraska was a world beater vs Chadron State. I read it here. The athleticism, the ball handling, lol

Been waiting for my whole lifetime for a decent basketball program, and it does not seem like we have it yet.

As a previous poster said, The Blujays expect to beat us, we hope.

Since Joe Cipriano I have hoped. Used to sit courtside watching Jerry Fort, but we still could not win when it counted.

Go ahead and blast me again, but we sure looked good vs Chadron State.

 

[wreckitralph]

Other than Webster, NU is going to be playing a bunch of underclassmen. I EXPECT to see flashes of great play coupled with some not so great play by the youngsters. It's still exciting to think about how these kids will match with CU and the B1G in the next 2 years. This year? Not so much maybe.

Next year; it's always next year...smh

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Next year; it's always next year...smh

If the cycle continues, this offseason one of the players being counted on for future success will do one of three things, quit, transfer, go pro.

 

[big red22]

Next year; it's always next year...smh

Nebraska will be fine this year. I like this team better than then last years. I also liked the 2014 team more than the 2013 team, but they tanked.

Once again... How about we let the season play out before you start claiming things. My personal opinion is this team is solid, and will do good things this year. It all depends on if the Freshman class starts limiting their mistakes sooner rather than later.

Not sure who the person was that said Mo Watson, Marcus Foster, Khyri Thomas and Patton all have the advantage

Mo Watson = Glynn Watson - Mo is fantastic, but so is Glynn

Tai Webster = Khyri Thomas - Uh Oh back court looks comparable doesn't it

Marcus Foster > Anton Gill - I compared him to Gill, because they are similar type players. Foster is the player that gives Creighton an advantage

Patton > Any of NU's posts. Also an advantage to Creighton

Depth Creighton has an advantage do to experience, but talent... NO SIR! Roby and Tshimanga both have the potential to be better than anyone on Creighton's bench. Those two start catching on Creighton's advantage in depth goes out the window.

I love how I have to repeat myself, but here it goes again. McDermott has a coaching style that works well against Miles, so the coaching advantage goes to McDermott as well. So is Nebraska going to win this game this year, probably not. Does that mean that this team doesn't have the potential to be great NOPE. It means McDermott knows the recipe to beat Miles.

EDIT: Too add to this Miles has beat Izzo the last 3 years... Does that mean Miles is a better coach than Izzo? No it doesn't.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Where is this paper people are talking about. Where on paper is Kansas better than Nebraska? Where on paper is Nebraska better than Creighton?

I want to know where to buy this paper.

The only thing I rely on is a point spread and maybe rankings. In both of those situations, Nebraska will be considered the worse of the two teams. So what?

Nebraska has won as an underdog and has lost as a favorite.

At this moment...Creighton will likely be favored over Nebraska by 2-4 points in Lincoln. So, it would be considered an upset but not a shock by any means if Nebraska can pull it off. On our home court I think we should expect to win. Kansas on the other hand will probably have their way with us.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Nebraska will be fine this year. I like this team better than then last years. I also liked the 2014 team more than the 2013 team, but they tanked.

Once again... How about we let the season play out before you start claiming things. My personal opinion is this team is solid, and will do good things this year. It all depends on if the Freshman class starts limiting their mistakes sooner rather than later.

Not sure who the person was that said Mo Watson, Marcus Foster, Khyri Thomas and Patton all have the advantage

Mo Watson = Glynn Watson - Mo is fantastic, but so is Glynn

Tai Webster = Khyri Thomas - Uh Oh back court looks comparable doesn't it

Marcus Foster > Anton Gill - I compared him to Gill, because they are similar type players. Foster is the player that gives Creighton an advantage

Patton > Any of NU's posts. Also an advantage to Creighton

Depth Creighton has an advantage do to experience, but talent NO SIR. Roby and Tshimanga both have the potential to be better than anyone on Creighton's bench. Those two start catching on Creighton's advantage in depth goes out the window.

I love how I have to repeat myself, but here it goes again. McDermott has a coaching style that works well against Miles, so the coaching advantage goes to McDermott as well. So is Nebraska going to win this game this year, probably not. Does that mean that this team doesn't have the potential to be great NOPE. It means McDermott knows the recipe to beat Miles, and the Talent is on par too

It was me that said it and I stand by that comment. I would go so far to say that all 5 Creighton starters would start at Nebraska this season. The same could not be said of the Nebraska starters at Creighton.

 

[big red22]

It was me that said it and I stand by that comment. I would go so far to say that all 5 Creighton starters would start at Nebraska this season. The same could not be said of the Nebraska starters at Creighton.

LOL ... Tuco Salamanca Wow!

Glynn Watson wouldn't start... keep living in your fantasy land

The Starting line up of both teams would be

Patton
Huff
Mo Watson
Glynn Watson
Tai Webster

Khyri Thomas first of the bench

Next year if all the players came back for both teams, the starting line up would be this

Patton
Roby
Mo Watson
Glynn Watson
Webster

 

[huskerbaseball13]

LOL ... Tuco Salamanca Wow!

Glynn Watson wouldn't start... keep living in your fantasy land

The Starting line up of both teams would be

Patton
Huff
Mo Watson
Glynn Watson
Tai Webster

Khyri Thomas first of the bench

What? Sorry...I love Glynn Watson but he's not starting over Marcus Foster or Mo Watson. I'll give you Tai...I'd take him over Thomas right now. And, in our offense Morrow would start at the 4. At Creighton I would say Huff would start considering what they want to do on offense. But no, Glynn is not starting over Foster.

 

[big red22]

What? Sorry...I love Glynn Watson but he's not starting over Marcus Foster or Mo Watson. I'll give you Tai...I'd take him over Thomas right now. And, in our offense Morrow would start at the 4. At Creighton I would say Huff would start considering what they want to do on offense. But no, Glynn is not starting over Foster.

Your telling me McDermott would not start Glynn Watson... You are freaking delusional

 

[artguy68]

Like I said in the OP, it concerns me that Creighton is using local talent and still dominating the Huskers. To me, that says that they have better methods of evaluating talent and better player development.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Your telling me McDermott would not start Glynn Watson... You are freaking delusional

Over Mo Watson or Marcus Foster? No...no he would not. Watson would start over those two based on what exactly?

 

[big red22]

Over Mo Watson or Marcus Foster? No...no he would not. Watson would start over those two based on what exactly?

Okay this is obviously opinion based so I have to respect your opinion. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Hell I think Bahe would disagree with you

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

LOL ... Tuco Salamanca Wow!

Glynn Watson wouldn't start... keep living in your fantasy land

The Starting line up of both teams would be

Patton
Huff
Mo Watson
Glynn Watson
Tai Webster

Khyri Thomas first of the bench

Next year if all the players came back for both teams, the starting line up would be this

Patton
Roby
Mo Watson
Glynn Watson
Webster

Next year? Mo Watson and Webster will be graduated and gone.

Khyri shoots to ball better than Webster and plays better defense and out rebounds him.

Neither Watson is starting over Foster, both are too small to play the off guard in either the Big East or the Big Ten. So you have to pick one. Mo Watson right now shoots the 2 and the 3 better. In 2 years Glynn maybe better but right now, Mo gets the nod.

I would concede Morrow over Huff depending on who is coaching. But if McDermott is coaching I go with Huff.

 

[G0B1GRED]

Your telling me McDermott would not start Glynn Watson... You are freaking delusional

No. He would not start over Mo or Marcus right now. And Nick Bahe would definitely not disagree.

 

[G0B1GRED]

LOL ... Tuco Salamanca Wow!

Glynn Watson wouldn't start... keep living in your fantasy land

The Starting line up of both teams would be

Patton
Huff
Mo Watson
Glynn Watson
Tai Webster

Khyri Thomas first of the bench

Next year if all the players came back for both teams, the starting line up would be this

Patton
Roby
Mo Watson
Glynn Watson
Webster

Mo Watson and Webster will be gone next year.... And where is Foster in these lineups???

 

[big red22]

Next year? Mo Watson and Webster will be graduated and gone.

Did you read what I said... "IF" they all came back... meaning "IF" it was possible.

 

[walnut creek]

And here's a wild prediction: McDermott will size up Miles' team and play at least a 1/3 of the game in a half court zone. And we will struggle against it. Again.

Mac and Miles have met over the years in at least 10 games. Many while both were in the Northern Sun Conference. Mac has always put the wood to Miles and for whatever reason intimidates Tim. I don't see that changing. Plus Creighton has a top 10 club nationally this year.

 

[big red22]

Mo Watson and Webster will be gone next year.... And where is Foster in these lineups???

He is sitting on the bench watching Glynn Watson start over him

Glynn Watson offers more than scoring... Marcus Foster can score what does he have 1 rebound in 2 games? Maybe 1 or two assists?

Who is better at the following keys to basketball

Handling the Ball - Glynn W.
Passing/Assists - Glynn W.
Scoring - Marcus F.
Rebounding - Glynn W.
Speed - Glynn W.
Vision - Glynn W.
Size - Marcus F.

As I said... I start Glynn Watson over Foster any day of the week. He is more of a complete player. Also I am not so sure he is better at scoring either.

GW vs Sac St. = 9-14
MF vs UMKC = 7-14

But then again that is the only game we have to compare.

 

[G0B1GRED]

He is sitting on the bench watching Glynn Watson start over him

Glynn Watson offers more than scoring... Marcus Foster can score what does he have 1 rebound in 2 games? Maybe 1 or two assists?

Glynn wouldn't start over Foster because they are not the same position obviously.

Foster > Webster...not even debatable.

 

[big red22]

Glynn wouldn't start over Foster because they are not the same position obviously.

Foster > Webster...not even debatable.

Now we are changing the subject? Mo Watson would be the 1 and Glynn Watson would be the 2

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Did you read what I said... "IF" they all came back... meaning "IF" it was possible.

If statements are usually only used in a situation where that statement could possibly be true and not in some sort of dreamland where players get to play college ball for longer than allowed by rule.

 

[G0B1GRED]

Now we are changing the subject? Mo Watson would be the 1 and Glynn Watson would be the 2

Not changing the subject at all. You had Webster in your fantasy land starting line up and I would take Foster over him any day of the week. If we are talking the 2 guard position. Yes, I'll take Foster over Glynn. I think comparing Glynn and Mo at the point is a better debate than Foster/Glynn at the SG position.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Now we are changing the subject? Mo Watson would be the 1 and Glynn Watson would be the 2

ha ha ha ha that is funny. A 6' 160lb 2 guard in the Big East or Big Ten. That's cute.

 

[G0B1GRED]

ha ha ha ha that is funny. A 6' 160lb 2 guard in the Big East or Big Ten. That's cute.

5'10 170lb and 6'0 175lb back court in the Big East or Big Ten. (and that's being generous from the official roster)

 

[big red22]

5'10 170lb and 6'0 175lb back court in the Big East or Big Ten. (and that's being generous from the official roster)

Have you ever heard of a player by the Name of Allen Iverson? Not only did he play the 2 position at 6 foot... He did it in the Pros... Is the B1G better than the Pros? Glad you had a good laugh, but why is it that I can keep coming back with facts proving you are not as bright as you think?

Also before you start saying Glynn Watson isn't a Shooting Guard so comparing him to AI is stupid. THE BEST PLAYERS PLAY... THat is the way it works in sports, and Glynn Watson is a better player than Foster. The only reason why Mo Watson gets the nod is because of his experience. Glynn Watson > Mo Watson if both are Seniors

 

[G0B1GRED]

I'm glad you could find that one special talent that played the 2 position at 6 foot tall. He also averaged 22 pts a game in college and a NBA hall of famer so I hope you're not comparing Glynn Watson to him.... And yes, everything you say is comical and gives me a good laugh. Glynn Watson is a point guard and the best player Nebraska has right now, lets leave it at that.

 

[big red22]

I'm glad you could find that one special talent that played the 2 position at 6 foot tall. He also averaged 22 pts a game in college and a NBA hall of famer so I hope you're not comparing Glynn Watson to him.... And yes, everything you say is comical and gives me a good laugh. Glynn Watson is a point guard and the best player Nebraska has right now, lets leave it at that.

I definitely think Creighton plays better together. I think you saying Creighton "Talent" is better is laughable. Nebraska's team(players that will see minutes) consist's of

Freshman = 3
Sophomores = 4
Transfer Juniors = 2
Seniors = 1

So yeah right now Creighton looks better... come February it will be a different story

 

[huskerbaseball13]

I definitely think Creighton plays better together. I think you saying Creighton "Talent" is better is laughable. Nebraska's team(players that will see minutes) consist's of

Freshman = 3
Sophomores = 4
Transfer Juniors = 2
Seniors = 1

So yeah right now Creighton looks better... come February it will be a different story

Creighton's starting lineup also consist of a freshman, sophomore, and a transfer who has played a total of two games in their system. So, I'd say that's a pretty big assumption on your part. Hopefully you are right and at that time we aren't already out of the march madness discussion.

 

[jay-cheese]

Post #5 in this thread is very revealing. I haven't seen that type of anger here ala "STFU to everyone" since...ah, nevermind. It's Nebraska basketball, lighten up Francis...

GBR

 

[big red22]

Creighton's starting lineup also consist of a freshman, sophomore, and a transfer who has played a total of two games in their system. So, I'd say that's a pretty big assumption on your part. Hopefully you are right and at that time we aren't already out of the march madness discussion.

Patton is a Redshirt Freshman... He was in the same class as Nebraska's Sophomores. Zierden, Huff, Hanson and Hegner have been together for quite some time and all are contributors.

Right now no one on the Nebraska team has played more than a year and 2 games together... unless you count Tai Webster and Nick Fuller(Who will see limited minutes). So with that said there is no comparison. Let this team grow together before you badmouth Miles and his team.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Patton is a Redshirt Freshman... He was in the same class as Nebraska's Sophomores. Zierden, Huff, Hanson and Hegner have been together for quite some time and all are contributors.

Right now no one on the Nebraska team has played more than a year and 2 games together... unless you count Tai Webster and Nick Fuller(Who will see limited minutes). So with that said there is no comparison. Let this team grow together before you badmouth Miles and his team.

Who is badmouthing them? Sorry, pointing out the obvious that ON PAPER, Creighton is better right now is not badmouthing Miles and his team. We could lose to Creighton(again) and still have a solid year.

 

[QQ_CEO]

Patton is a Redshirt Freshman... He was in the same class as Nebraska's Sophomores. Zierden, Huff, Hanson and Hegner have been together for quite some time and all are contributors.

Right now no one on the Nebraska team has played more than a year and 2 games together... unless you count Tai Webster and Nick Fuller(Who will see limited minutes). So with that said there is no comparison. Let this team grow together before you badmouth Miles and his team.

I agree - I think we need to give Miles the full run with this year's sophomore class. 2018/2019 season will see the 4 current sophs + Palmer as seniors, and Roby/Jordy/Horne as experienced juniors. If Miles can't win with that kind of recruiting star power and experience, then I think we know we could comfortably move on from each other.

 

[big red22]

Who is badmouthing them? Sorry, pointing out the obvious that ON PAPER, Creighton is better right now is not badmouthing Miles and his team. We could lose to Creighton(again) and still have a solid year.

"Sure glad we recruited him. Meanwhile, tonight Nebraska looked like the team most project them to be. A bottom tier Big Ten team. Boy was that ugly

"Add in Thomas....another local product we did not offer. 15 points tonight"

"Well um...they aren't a power. But, people around here would settle for just a good program. They don't need to be a power. The good news is you have the power to ignore those that "bitch" about our underwhelming basketball program."

Everything you say has a "Anti Miles" undertones. I don't want to hear about you not "Bad Mouthing"! Everything you post is a pessimistic response and directly pointed toward your displeasure with the product Miles puts out there.

You take out the bold parts out everyone of those posts, and people wouldn't think you were bad mouthing the program

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I hope your right but every season under Miles its been wait until next year. Outside of a 10 game stretch in year 2 that propelled the team to the NCAA tournament, Miles is a sub .500 coach who has had a large amount of roster turnover and a dependence on incoming transfers, that haven't elevated the program.

I have an Honest question that I do not have an exact answer to. How many of Miles' recruits have left the program before their eligibility expired?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

"Sure glad we recruited him. Meanwhile, tonight Nebraska looked like the team most project them to be. A bottom tier Big Ten team. Boy was that ugly

"Add in Thomas....another local product we did not offer. 15 points tonight"

"Well um...they aren't a power. But, people around here would settle for just a good program. They don't need to be a power. The good news is you have the power to ignore those that "bitch" about our underwhelming basketball program."

Everything you say has a "Anti Miles" undertones. I don't want to hear about you not "Bad Mouthing"! Everything you post is a pessimistic response and directly pointed toward your displeasure with the product Miles puts out there.

Sorry, I thought we were just discussing this thread. And I stand by all of the above. The game against Mary was ugly, and we are projected to finish near the bottom of the Big Ten. We have missed on a few local products that we should have at the very least offered(and would have made us a better team). And we aren't a basketball power. Again, if pointing out the obvious is "badmouthing" then so be it. You can sugarcoat it if you'd like.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

I hope your right but every season under Miles its been wait until next year. Outside of a 10 game stretch in year 2 that propelled the team to the NCAA tournament, Miles is a sub .500 coach who has had a large amount of roster turnover and a dependence on incoming transfers, that haven't elevated the program.

I have an Honest question that I do not have an exact answer to. How many of Miles' recruits have left the program before their eligibility expired?

I counted 9 in my head...full disclaimer, this is me trying to provide facts and not bashing Miles. Some get the two confused.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I counted 9 in my head...full disclaimer, this is me trying to provide facts and not bashing Miles. Some get the two confused.

Thanks, I knew it was several but didn't know the exact number.

I will admit up front that I don't think Miles is the guy for the job. After 4 seasons I still do not see an identity to this program, other than we have the coach that tweets at halftime of games. As I said before, it like deja vu, year 3 was going to be the year, then it was wait until Andrew White gets to play, now its Glynn Watson is going to lead the team like AI did the Sixers (Kidding, sort of). Every season it's like starting over from scratch. there is no building upon the year before.

I can appreciate where BigRed22 is coming from with his optimism, but until I see something more than a 10 game stretch of consistent play, my money is on 5-7 Big Ten wins and 12-16 total wins and another missed post season.