The coaching carousel is mostly just dumb luck

[GGdowski]

What are you talking about? Riley coached Oregon St twice 1997-1998 was 8-14

Rhule’s first 2 years at temple
8-16

Rhule’s first 2 years at Baylor 8-17

Pretty similar

We hired Rhule after 11 win Baylor season in year 3 (a season in which they beat no ranked teams)

Riley in yr 4 at Oregon St won 10 (beating 2 ranked teams including #3 USC)

Both bombed in the NFL

We have no idea if Rhule would have sustained success in college

Rhule had coached 7 yrs of college football prior to ending up at NU - his record was 47-42

Riley’s record his first 7 yrs was 49-37

Riley had multiple wins over power conference ranked teams during that time. Rhule has never beaten a power conf ranked team to date

 

[scarletred]

Rhule’s first 2 years at temple
8-16

Rhule’s first 2 years at Baylor 8-17

Pretty similar

We hired Rhule after 11 win Baylor season in year 3 (a season in which they beat no ranked teams)

Riley in yr 4 at Oregon St won 10 (beating 2 ranked teams including #3 USC)

Both bombed in the NFL

We have no idea if Rhule would have sustained success in college

Rhule had coached 7 yrs of college football prior to ending up at NU - his record was 47-42

Riley’s record his first 7 yrs was 49-37

Riley had multiple wins over power conference ranked teams during that time. Rhule has never beaten a power conf ranked team to date

Again Einstein you comparing something you can’t compare because Rhule hasn’t been in on place longer than 3 years..Riley coached the Beavers for 12 consecutive years.

There is no comparison.🥴

 

[GGdowski]

Could you imagine the reaction around here if we had hired a guy from JMU?

Is a program better off hiring a someone like Cignetti for peanuts (3.5 million escalating to 6 million after 6 years) with the financial ability to cut bait if it doesn’t work or give a massive raise if he wins

Or

Payout for what the prevailing opinion of a grade A hire and give them a massive contract from the start (Rhule is due 12.5 million in 6 years) knowing you are stuck financially if things don’t work (we had to stomach an extra 2 yrs of Scott Frost due to finances)

I agree the pitchforks would have been out if we hired Cignetti but would have been put away quickly with wins

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Always believed somebody has to want to do their job for more than just the money. If your first choice says no 3 or 4 times and finally says yes after you offer them ludricious money, they just can't say no to...well good luck with that person. Same for kids and NIL..."I comitted because they offered the most money" is a giant blinking red flag with sirens blaring. Rhule said no multiple times till Trev went ludricious mode....and here we are. Obviously there is time to turn it around, not advocating he be fired yet....I just dont have the warm and fuzzies this will end well....and full disclosure, I liked the hire. Felt like it was a good choice and still hope it can be proven the right one

 

[Wing-Back]

Now that we have Washington’s AD, when Deboer gets run out at AL, we need to go get him.

 

[thall_]

Now that we have Washington’s AD, when Deboer gets run out at AL, we need to go get him.

Would love that, but he won't get run out of Alabama unless they have finish under 10 wins in year 2 or 3.

 

[blackshirts]

Or you can go get an actual proven winner

Plus the head coach hires best of the best assistants
That is the most crucial
Surrounding yourself with very successful coaches

 

[BTF69]

I’d throw William Munny’s dead wife in the mix as well as Helen Wick.

Munny's wife, even while dead, was still messing with his life! Great call!

 

[moralvictories]

Matt Rhule’s coaching resume isn’t that different from Mike Riley’s ( Riley has a higher win percentage in college than Rhule)

there is no history of sustained success - he bailed after each single successful season

Would be like hiring Matt Campbell from ISU who won 8 games in year 2 after ISU had losing records for 6 straight yrs before he took over

ISU was 4-8 and looked to be on a downward slide at the time. Matt Campbell was not looking good at all at that time.

 

[BTF69]

Would love that, but he won't get run out of Alabama unless they have finish under 10 wins in year 2 or 3.

I mean, he is getting run out, it is just a matter of time. One missed playoff will start the ball rolling.

 

[GGdowski]

ISU was 4-8 and looked to be on a downward slide at the time. Matt Campbell was not looking good at all at that time.

I was referring to Campbells second yr - 2017 where he won 8 games including beating 3 ranked teams

We could have easily declared that Campbell knows how to turn a program around and hired him in 2018 had Frost said no ( ISU had 6 consecutive losing seasons prior to Campbell)

 

[moralvictories]

I was referring to Campbells second yr - 2017 where he won 8 games including beating 3 ranked teams

We could have easily declared that Campbell knows how to turn a program around and hired him in 2018 had Frost said no ( ISU had 6 consecutive losing seasons prior to Campbell)

Scott Frost turned UCF from a winless team to an undefeated team in 2 years. He was 19-7 at UCF, that's a good record.

 

[GGdowski]

Mike Riley was something right?

At minimum there was no sunken-cost fallacy associated with the Riley hire - could rapidly move on after the 3rd year

We suffered an 2 additional years of Frost burying the program because of sunken costs and the anchor bias in most that it was simply inconceivable that Frost was a failure

Rhule’s contract means he is here to stay win or lose for a while

 

[bleedhuskerred]

Or you can go get an actual proven winner

Like Scott Frost?

 

[headcard]

Scott Frost turned UCF from a winless team to an undefeated team in 2 years. He was 19-7 at UCF, that's a good record.

That's the problem we have, so many failed coaches recently. AD's tend to react to firing a coach, by hiring the exact opposite type of coach. Fired a crazy person in Pelini to hire a nice guy in Riley. Fired an old guy in Riley to Hire a young guy in Frost. Fans tend to paint in broad brushstrokes, can't hire another G5 loser, can't hire another old guy, can't hire another coordinator. There is no one left.

 

[headcard]

Now that we have Washington’s AD, when Deboer gets run out at AL, we need to go get him.

I love DeBoer and brought him up when Frost was fired, many thought that was a terrible idea because he had not won at a high level for very long at a P5 school and he passes too much.

But even if he was available, then there would be bitching about how he couldn't win a Bama and how can he win at Nebraska. And how we must be losers to take their trash. I can hear it now.

 

[moralvictories]

That's the problem we have, so many failed coaches recently. AD's tend otreact to firing a coach, by hiring the exact opposite type of coach. Fired a crazy person in Pelini to hire a nice guy in Riley. Fired an old guy in Riley to Hire a young guy in Frost. Fans tend to paint in broad brushstrokes, can't hire another G5 loser, can't hire another old guy, can't hire another coordinator. There is no one left.

I agree. However it's always a gamble.

 

[phoenix4nu]

I agree. However it's always a gamble.

Very true. There was no indication that Dan Lanning would be as good as he has been at Oregon. Or that Napier would be as bad as he has been at Florida.

 

[king_kong_]

if this doesn't work with Matty the Christmas Elf we should hire the biggest asshole available

 

[thall_]

I mean, he is getting run out, it is just a matter of time. One missed playoff will start the ball rolling.

Time will tell, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock into what idiots like Finebaum say.

Beating Georgia bought him at least 2 more years unless there's a total collapse.

 

[phoenix4nu]

if this doesn't work with Matty the Christmas Elf we should hire the biggest asshole available

We tried that with Pelini.

 

[headcard]

Again Einstein you comparing something you can’t compare because Rhule hasn’t been in on place longer than 3 years..Riley coached the Beavers for 12 consecutive years.

There is no comparison.🥴

And we didn't hire 52 yeard old Mike Riley at the top of his game, we hired 62 year old Mike Riley who hadn't had a 10-win season in a decade.

 

[king_kong_]

We tried that with Pelini.

closest we've come to a winner since TO

we value feelings over results

 

[phoenix4nu]

closest we've come to a winner since TO

we value feelings over results

He was close, except against good teams like Wisconsin. We need someone better than he was.

 

[headcard]

Not only have we flipped fom types of coaches, we have constantly flipped between types of systems.

Option QB under Solich, to Pro-Style under Callahan, to Duel-Threat under Pelini, to Pro-style under Riley, to Duel-Threat under Frsot, to Pro-style under Rhule.

It's a little easier to pull that kind of thing off now with the portal, but that alone set us back a year or two every time in previous hires.

 

[BTF69]

Time will tell, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock into what idiots like Finebaum say.

Beating Georgia bought him at least 2 more years unless there's a total collapse.

Yeah, I would think he gets 3 years for sure. But, this year, for his sake, better end well. 2 more losses and no playoffs will have their fan base started a bunch of rumors about him...like him bring drunk while golfing and banging coeds and cheating on his wife...

 

[phoenix4nu]

Not only have we flipped fom types of coaches, we have constantly flipped between types of systems.

Option QB under Solich, to Pro-Style under Callahan, to Duel-Threat under Pelini, to Pro-style under Riley, to Duel-Threat under Frsot, to Pro-style under Rhule.

It's a little easier to pull that kind of thing off now with the portal, but that alone set us back a year or two every time in previous hires.

I agree. Personally, I would like to see a dual-threat system with a quarterback who can pass and run.

 

[BTF69]

closest we've come to a winner since TO

we value feelings over results

Thank you!

 

[FrankDux]

Was attacked for mentioning DeBoer in ‘22 because his defense sucked—but he flipped WA pretty quickly. I think everyone knew he was the main—likely only reason—for Tom Allen’s success at IU after he took the WA job. DeBoer supposedly grew up a Husker fan while in SD as well… just what I heard.

Todd Monken called a hell of a game last night. Maybe he should’ve been given a closer look too. You never know. It’s like picking the next hot undervalued stock nobody else sees. Maybe let Buffett vet out the next hire… couldn’t hurt.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Florida and FSU are already in talks with Monken.

Not completely losing faith. It’s just frustrating watching all these coaches put the Ferrari in the ditch year after year.

 

[moralvictories]

We tried that with Pelini.

I'm sure there are even bigger ones out there.

 

[BTF69]

Was attacked for mentioning DeBoer in ‘22 because his defense sucked—but he flipped WA pretty quickly. I think everyone knew he was the main—likely only reason—for Tom Allen’s success at IU after he took the WA job. DeBoer supposedly grew up a Husker fan while in SD as well… just what I heard.

Todd Monken called a hell of a game last night. Maybe he should’ve been given a closer look too. You never know. It’s like picking the next hot undervalued stock nobody else sees. Maybe let Buffett vet out the next hire… couldn’t hurt.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Florida and FSU are already in talks with Monken.

Not completely losing faith. It’s just frustrating watching all these coaches put the Ferrari in the ditch year after year.

I think it is really hard to play up tempo on offense AND have a "good" defense or what most fans thing is good.

Usually up tempo teams try to play a defense that matches, so they blitz and try to force a lot more mistakes and turnovers. Which can lead to more big plays and plus more possessions for the other team.

I know a lot of fans think Iowa has some amazing defense but they just sit in their base all game, they don't blitz, they don't change up looks, they just "dare" you to drive the ball 70 yards without YOU making a mistake or dropping a pass or missing a hole.

And then on offense they are happy to chew 3 minutes off the clock and punt.

Before you know it the first Q is gone and each team has only had the ball twice. Now as a coach you are thinking you might have 6-7 possessions left for the game.

 

[Wing-Back]

I love DeBoer and brought him up when Frost was fired, many thought that was a terrible idea because he had not won at a high level for very long at a P5 school and he passes too much.

But even if he was available, then there would be bitching about how he couldn't win a Bama and how can he win at Nebraska. And how we must be losers to take their trash. I can hear it now.

Following a legend is always hard, and I just don’t think Bama will give him a lot of leeway so I don’t think he’ll be there very long. However most of my football predictions don’t come true so I’m sure he’s just a year away from winning a title.

 

[king_kong_]

Jeff Monken is the top guy on my wishlist

 

[BTF69]

Jeff Monken is the top guy on my wishlist

I love him and his offense at Army. I also don't think he would be a 100% option guy at NU but it would clearly have elements of it but his play calling is awesome and they have so many cool run game concepts.

 

[king_kong_]

I love him and his offense at Army. I also don't think he would be a 100% option guy at NU but it would clearly have elements of it but his play calling is awesome and they have so many cool run game concepts.

he would do what it takes to win anywhere

 

[headcard]

I love him and his offense at Army. I also don't think he would be a 100% option guy at NU but it would clearly have elements of it but his play calling is awesome and they have so many cool run game concepts.

Vandy is running the option with success in the SEC.

 

[moralvictories]

Jeff Monken is the top guy on my wishlist

Isn't he just slightly above .500?

 

[AVeritas]

this was an interesting read because there are so many yet so few answers.

1. i'm still surprised scott frost failed given his pedigree - there must have been something else going on?
2. big contract coaches too often fail - venables is going through hell at ou presently, napier at florida, jimbo formerly at aTm;
3. a year or two proves little - leipold is 2-5 presently at ku with what was supposed to be a b12 championship contender;
4. same for this indiana cig guy who i find arrogant - see you after ohio and next year too;
5. the fundamentals changed when N left for the b10 - i know that's not popular, call me retarded, but it's a fact;
6. guys who succeed have a drive beyond the contract - klieman started for $2.2 million;
7. no way N gives up on the current coach at least for a few years, nor should they - missouri fan wanted to fire gary pinkel early on too;
8. no program gets better changing staff every 3,4,5 years - that's never going to work - and it's where N finds itself today;
9. your guy has shown at temple and baylor that he can build a winner;
10. playing in the b10 makes it harder because the top is so loaded with traditional powers which have b10 roots.

 

[moralvictories]

this was an interesting read because there are so many yet so few answers.

1. i'm still surprised scott frost failed given his pedigree - there must have been something else going on?
2. big contract coaches too often fail - venables is going through hell at ou presently, napier at florida, jimbo formerly at aTm;
3. a year or two proves little - leipold is 2-5 presently at ku with what was supposed to be a b12 championship contender;
4. same for this indiana cig guy who i find arrogant - see you after ohio and next year too;
5. the fundamentals changed when N left for the b10 - i know that's not popular, call me retarded, but it's a fact;
6. guys who succeed have a drive beyond the contract - klieman started for $2.2 million;
7. no way N gives up on the current coach at least for a few years, nor should they - missouri fan wanted to fire gary pinkel early on too;
8. no program gets better changing staff every 3,4,5 years - that's never going to work - and it's where N finds itself today;
9. your guy has shown at temple and baylor that he can build a winner;
10. playing in the b10 makes it harder because the top is so loaded with traditional powers which have b10 roots.

Frost had potential but personal problems got in the way.

 

[BTF69]

he would do what it takes to win anywhere

Yeah, I agree. I know a lot of fans are/were worried he would only run option but I just don't think that is the case.