Snyder and Engelhaupt officially no longer with the team
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This is exactly the type of attrition that people (me) have been wanting for the last few years.
Trust in Frost and his staff's talent evaluations. They have their system and understand what type of athletes fit that system and obviously these players must not have been a good fit.
There is a difference and how you run a team verse how you run a championship team and this is one of the many steps.
Good luck to these players in their future. GBR
This is exactly the type of attrition that people (me) have been wanting for the last few years.
Trust in Frost and his staff's talent evaluations. They have their system and understand what type of athletes fit that system and obviously these players must not have been a good fit.
There is a difference and how you run a team verse how you run a championship team and this is one of the many steps.
Good luck to these players in their future. GBR
I'm not sure that we can spin losing Englehaupt and Brokop as positives just yet. Brokop could have provided some depth this year at the very least. But whatever.
Man, I remember when the recruiting battle for Matt Snyder was intense. I can't recall who Nebraska was up against, but I remember we needed his services. Three years later, I'm not sure if he ever played a down and now he's gone. This is the part of recruiting that kills me. Yes, we know it's a numbers game, but when we as a fan base get so worked up over one guy that comes or leaves, just know that there is a decent chance he will not contribute or an unheralded guy will.
I believe Michigan was after him as well.
No such thing as a can't-miss. Only a "less likely to miss." It's also a tough deal when you get recruited to play one style of offense and then a new system comes in with a very different profile for what they want in your position.
Not going to see a ton of heavy sets and block-first TEs under this staff, I think.
I predicted early on 10 scholarship players would leave. I believe that number is at 8 now if I added correctly.
With 15 seniors, 2 open scholarships and 3 oversigns, 2019 class is at 20 right now. There will be additional attrition after the year is over. But you will need to have more than 3 leave in order to free up any additional scholarships.
Well he couldn't hack it here. He left under his own power which is saying a lot. Who would leave when we finally have a great HC that's going to make you work hard?? We don't need those types of players here. This is Nebraska.
#TrustInFrost
I am of the opinion that either Frost had made a decision that these players were not needed in 2018 and he let them know this or that these players themselves did not want to do what was asked of them with the new staff...
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All this talk of our TEs makes me wish that Cethan Carter could have played in Frost's offense. Would have been beastly.
Yeah 2 more is no problem. Somebody won't be able to stay out of trouble, somebody's body won't be able to take the grind, etc. I have more of a suspicion with this staff that conversations are being had about what guys' futures are with this team and where their time might be better spent.
One thing to keep in mind before bashing any players is that they weren't all necessarily "bad" players. Their skills were recruited for a different system and in some cases now they may just not have fit the new system - it's just like we had no need any longer for a talented fullback. Doesn't mean that fullback wasn't talented, he just no longer fit.
My favorite play of the Riley era was the Tight End reverse to Carter. Unfortunately he got hurt right in the middle of the stretch run of Riley's only decent season.
the demands of the program should be so rigorous that if you aren’t going to play one should be compelled to seriously question whether they want to continue merely to stand on the sidelines on game day.
Then you’d have a roster of 40
And remember there are 3 potential academic casualties that are counted in that number, who may never make it to Lincoln.
My favorite play was the pass on 3rd down vs Illinois.
Those that are truly dedicated will stay on and be an asset on scout team, practices, etc.
The should I stay or should I go question should be a struggle for those that aren’t going to ever see the field. Those that choose to stay despite never seeing the field will be beneficial to the program.
He had committed to Mike Riley at Oregon State and then planned on following Riley to Nebraska but Jim Harbaugh came in at the last minute and tried to sway him to Michigan.
Kind of like in the 90's when we had 90 kids who were going to do what you were asking and maybe see snaps on Senior Day eh? Oh, and not only that, they would pay for the pleasure!
Edit: Reworded for clarity.
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Hard to tell where the fan base wants to plant its flag on any given day. There's also the mantra that's been around forever that we were happy to take a bunch of five star type of guys and/or walkons, let them sit on our bench and just collect rings even if they didn't play.
The fan base just wants to win. People are pretty excited that Frost is dismantling the Fullback and TE about as fast as he can go, immediately after yelling for years now that "getting back to the Nebraska way" of beasting people like Wisky was the only way to get the glory back. Seems like only yesterday we couldn't yell Andy Janovich at Riley enough
Had Dino Babers been hired and done the same thing Frost is doing now, folk's would be having a cultural heart attack right now. They might even have to shut the board down.
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I'm not sure why we can't wait until after the season is over to start having attrition for players that won't be able to contribute. I'd rather see what these guys are able to do after a full season of practices and if they're still scrubs after that, then you can ask them to move on.
I'd rather do that and maybe a surprise player will end up being a solid contributor. If we still want to recruit a specific number, we can still do that. Even if we don't have space for them, I'd rather drop a marginal recruit rather than drop a player who's already on the roster. In fact it's weird to me that people on here celebrate dropping a player that's already on the roster, but if you do that to a recruit, it's the worst thing you can do. It doesn't make much sense to me.
I'd rather do that and maybe a surprise player will end up being a solid contributor. If we still want to recruit a specific number, we can still do that. Even if we don't have space for them, I'd rather drop a marginal recruit rather than drop a player who's already on the roster. In fact it's weird to me that people on here celebrate dropping a player that's already on the roster, but if you do that to a recruit, it's the worst thing you can do. It doesn't make much sense to me.
Sometimes it's addition by subtraction. But also the coaches are being fair to the kids and letting them find something else before fall. No need to waste a year of their eligibility if they have no intention of playing them.
? I dont remember reading anywhere where it said Frost or anyone else coaching this team asked these kids to move on did you? Sometimes attrition as you put it comes from kids not wanting to be here not the other way around..sometimes its mutual but not all the time
I also believe that all three of these guys (Snyder, Engelhaupt, and Brokop) are still in school at Nebraska. So it seems they may have all given up on football and aren’t really even looking at transferring. I would assume, then, that they get to use the rule where they can be kept on scholarship but not count against the 85.
In that case, it seems to benefit all involved as it seems their hearts weren’t really into football anymore or maybe they didn’t feel the effort was worth the reward, but they still get a free education. It also allows HCSF to look to add more players who fit his scheme and culture, as well as maybe giving a few scholarships to walk-ons who are helping the team this fall.
I remember one of our contributing DL gave up football Riley’s 1st (?) year because he didn’t have the desire to play anymore even though we could’ve used him - would’ve started. Sometimes the best option for all is a mutual parting which is what appears to have happened. I wish all of them the best and hope they get a great free education and put it to good use for their future careers.
In that case, it seems to benefit all involved as it seems their hearts weren’t really into football anymore or maybe they didn’t feel the effort was worth the reward, but they still get a free education. It also allows HCSF to look to add more players who fit his scheme and culture, as well as maybe giving a few scholarships to walk-ons who are helping the team this fall.
I remember one of our contributing DL gave up football Riley’s 1st (?) year because he didn’t have the desire to play anymore even though we could’ve used him - would’ve started. Sometimes the best option for all is a mutual parting which is what appears to have happened. I wish all of them the best and hope they get a great free education and put it to good use for their future careers.
Thank you.
Theres a lot of speculation going on that really is baseless.
People envision dramatic movie scene type scenerios that rarely happen. Frost didnt ask englehaupt to leave.
Every program has attrition every year. Rarely is it because a coach calls a player in to cut him. Most times its players realizing they either dont love it, personal stuff, or they want a chance elsewhere to play more. Or sometimes they dont like the coach. It happens.
Though not a surprise, I wish Snyder had worked out. Seems like a solid kid from a good family, I wish him well...
Aside from beating out Harbaugh for Snyder, I recall the other big win over UM was hiring Reggie Davis...
Aside from beating out Harbaugh for Snyder, I recall the other big win over UM was hiring Reggie Davis...
I know one thing: nobody on here has even a hint of a clue as to why the players who are leaving the program are doing so. And speculating about their motives or the coaches' motives is just pointless in my view, and may even be a bit detrimental to the program when it drifts into baseless negativity.
Scott Frost is a great coach with a great staff. We are damn lucky they are here and Guy Smiley isn't.
Sit back and enjoy the ride guys.
Scott Frost is a great coach with a great staff. We are damn lucky they are here and Guy Smiley isn't.
Sit back and enjoy the ride guys.
It's still the honeymoon phase.Hard to tell where the fan base wants to plant its flag on any given day. There's also the mantra that's been around forever that we were happy to take a bunch of five star type of guys and/or walkons, let them sit on our bench and just collect rings even if they didn't play.
The fan base just wants to win. People are pretty excited that Frost is dismantling the Fullback and TE about as fast as he can go, immediately after yelling for years now that "getting back to the Nebraska way" of beasting people like Wisky was the only way to get the glory back. Seems like only yesterday we couldn't yell Andy Janovich at Riley enough
Had Dino Babers been hired and done the same thing Frost is doing now, folk's would be having a cultural heart attack right now. They might even have to shut the board down.
There are a ton of fans out there that still don't understand what they are going to see on offense and defense, and when they do realize it isn't the same, if we are winning, nothing will be said, but if we are not, the gloves will come off.
For me, I have been around a while and, years ago witnessed NU having 4th year juniors and 5th year seniors develop, finally get to play, and ultimately dominate the competition after years of riding the bench. But that hasn't happened recently because three things that Osborne used, have not been entirely present under Callahan, Bo and Riley's programs-- (1) backups getting meaningful snaps and staying motivated to work, (2) running more than one group in practice and thus DEVELOPING your talent and, again, keeping kids involved and motivated, and (3) a great strength & conditioning program.
Under Frost, those things are present and I do not believe we should actively want attrition as fans. That said, things are being asked of these kids that weren't asked under Eikhorst & Riley- like practicing at the wee hours of the morning, working out when you don't feel up to it. When more is asked, sitting on the bench becomes less fun.
Those three items are big. Once you build a winning program, kids are going to be more willing to make the sacrifices to be even more successful. That includes players sticking around as backups who could be starters elsewhere (like Alabama and I'm sure others are experiencing).
I think one additional factor that will be different from the Osborne years will be the cost of college. It's been discussed on this board before and right now there is a fervor around walk-ons (both as fans and by the players themselves). It'll be interesting to see the level of success needed to sustain interest among in-state players to have a robust walk-on inventory (quantity and quality). I know we've obviously had walk-ons in the post-Osborne/Solich years, I'm talking about the prospective walk-ons that have FCS and non-Power 5 FBS offers deciding to walk on instead of taking a scholarship elsewhere. Frost has made it clear he wants a large roster (130-150) and simultaneous practice/scrimmages stations.
The other factor that was very different during the Osborne years was that it was not as culturally acceptable for kids to jump teams just because they found themselves 2 or 3 down on the depth chart. How often did you hear about kids jumping from highschool to highschool or ball club to ball club back then? Today, if someone is not playing the minutes he/she thinks he/she is entitled to, its off to somewhere else. Prior to this century (or at least until the 90s) that was not common and often looked down on to an extent. Parents often didn't want to hear about it. Today, its not only accepted, but generally encouraged by most parents/handlers, etc. Frankly, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing, either. We only get one chance in life and only a limited number of seasons to play college ball (or highschool, or club, whatever). if you aren't a Rudy, whose dream was fulfilled by playing 2 plays in four years for the Fighting Irish, but instead your desire is to play in games, and if it appears that for whatever reason you are going to be waiting 4 years to maybe play in a game, if ever -- then go somewhere that you can play. I have not problem with that. 40 years ago, that just wasn't as acceptable.
