Should Mo be kicked off the team?
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I said the principles have been around for thousands of years and were referenced in ancient texts. Those shape our laws of the modern era.
I don’t give a flying eff if I am in a slight (or not slight) minority on a board of Husker fans in relation to this. Run this poll outside of this board with a population that truly represents society as a whole (male and female, sports fan and non sports fan) and you’d likely get a different result. It is ironic that you speak of avoiding mob justice but then use a poll on a fan board to apparently shame me or demonstrate that I am wrong in the very next sentence.
You are right, my post was poorly worded. I should have said something like: why are some white men convinced we are the victims of some kind of oppression? Clearly we are not, there is no need to try and make people feel sorry for us.
Are you saying most Husker fans condone rape and child pornography distribution as long as it’s a good player? I think that’s a stretch. Sure there’d be a few, but I’d like to think most come to a conclusion based on their morals and not their fan affiliation. My opinion on this is not based on my fandom.
I highly doubt they did.
If anyone thinks the investigators sat them down and explained " your running back sent a video of a 15 year old in a threesome to her in a case of revenge porn. He will be charged with that and child porn posession and distribution" followed by our coaches saying 'welp we dont care at all and i guess we will take our chances that this will never get out'....then you have no idea how investigations, or the coaxhes day, or the real world works.
Theres no way they knew all this, and frankly they shouldnt have been told any details if there was an investigation going on.
I knew what you meant. I just wanted to make it clear that not all of us play the victim card. I agree with you completely.
Does it look like I have been? I have quoted some specific individuals that I disagreed with, probably called someone something that would be a mild insult to most. I’d like to believe most teens don’t send naked pictures of themselves, but apparently I am in denial on that one.
I do believe that some responses would be different if this were another school. I also believe that tribalism shapes responses to events and attitudes.
What the hell are you talking about? There are laws that were alleged to have been broken, there was at least enough evidence to get a search warrant and to get Washington back to California before they executed an arrest warrant and had him extradited.
Those are the laws that he needs to be dealing with. You and others keep bringing up a lot of useless and irrelevant stuff simply to make the crime not look as bad as it could be.
He is alleged to have had child porn on his phone. Again, charges were filed and a search warrant issued.
As an 18 year old, he is alleged to have sent a video, of minor children having sex, to a minor. Again distribution of child porn, a felony, charges filed and a search warrant issued.
Those are facts. There is no disputing those things.
Now what you believe to be a fair sentence or punishment for those alleged crimes is a different story. I just don't understand the logic in saying things like, he wasn't involved in a rape, it was consensual sex, or anything else about the actual tape, and who was or wasn't involved. That is nothing but superfluous information that has no bearing on what Maurice Washington is accused of and quite frankly sounds like a way to justify the potentially poor behavior of a Nebraska student athlete.
The case that you were part of the jury and the decision has no relevance. Especially since the precedents already set in this specific case irelevant to some.
I don't believe I said my opinion is more important than yours. Again your wording reads like I made a definitive statement about the case, I did no such thing I only pointed out another possibility. I don't believe that you are capable of an honest discussion. Why do I say this, because I didn't hide from anything I said. I responded to you and JohnRossEwing, showing where you misconstrued what I had posted. Instead of answering back to what I had to say, you got butthurt about having your opinion questioned.
I agree with those saying this isn't about the rape and I stayed out of that discussion as long as I could, but others were continually bring it up. Furthermore, they were doing so in a very piggish way. In my first post this is why in the second paragraph I said, now to discuss what the thread was originally started for and gave my opinion. My apologizes for feeding into the discussion of the incident depicted in the video.
Redundo that is you, isn’t it? So if I got this right. All crimes that are committed should be treated the same, not on an individual basis? The context of these crimes don’t matter? The legal system allows for no interpretation of the law? WE GET IT! You believe he deserves to be treated like a backroom child porn distributer, not like a teenager who made a poor decision with an ex. All people are arguing is a justifiable punishment and you keep coming back with “this is the law.”
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Well, it kind of does look like you are saying most Nebraska fans are choosing to look the other way on this, when you say a poll like this on a more national level would produce different results.
So yeah, I do think you are saying a majority (according to the current poll which favors keeping Washington) are more concerned about the football player for our team.
That may not be your intention, but that is what I am getting.
When you are losing a debate, the first step is to deflect from the topic at hand.
Not that he needs my defending him, but I believe what he is saying is that if this was Iowa football player, the poll would show different results. That if you polled 1000 people from across the country, you would have different results. If you don't think people are voting for what they hope the outcome will be, I think you are being a bit naive.
Yes, if Washington played for another school the response would be much different. It really disgusts me that because he plays for us some people are trying to make excuses for what he did. There is no excuse.
I didn't vote but good lord of course they are! The most annoying thing is a hypocrite that won't admit it.
Even if there are 10,000 posters on the board that is less than probably 1% of the fan base? And considering the demographics of this board likely are skewed significantly on gender and likely even quite a bit on age there is no way this poll is a scientific representation of anything other than this board.
I'm definitely hoping that the outcome will lead to Mo continuing his career at NU. That being said, I don't think what he's done warrants him being kicked off of the team either. I don't believe that he'll receive any jail time. If he continues to cooperate, there's a good chance the charges get reduced and he gets probation.
I ain’t losing shite. You’ve got one argument and you just keep restating it. Yiu don’t even seem to know what I’m debating.
And some people still honestly believe in innocent until proven guilty and the judicial process. People who are throwing stones without even knowing the complete truth are just bad people or stupid. You pick
Nor is mine. I don't care if he is a Neb player or anything other. Nobodies life should be destroyed based on what he did. Should he be punished in some form. According to California law he broke it. If we start picking and choosing which laws to follow and which to not there would be insanity in the court system. Should he be labeled a sex offender and put in the same category as the perv 45 year old sitting in his basement? Absolutely not. Should he be kicked off the team? In my opinion no, but that is for Frost and the university to decide when the time calls for it.
His isn’t an argument, but the legal lay of the land. Unless there are exculpatory facts that are not public, CA has a case for sure.
There are 100 different opinions on this topic, but the one thing I haven't seen is someone say, I don't think he did it.
What I have read is that he will plea it out, that t really isn't that big of a deal, or whatever, but no one is championing his innocence.
I believe Sam McKwon touch on this a bit. Said similar things have happened at a few other universities over the years. They were given probation by the court system and suspension by the school. I am guessing a similar thing will happen here. Which is the punishment for the crime in my opinion.
When you add in everything else on top of this I dont know that he should or can stay.
He already had baggage.
Hes proven to have some social media issues.
Those are minor things but this is a big thing.
Unless something new comes out of this, he should be gone. Imagree with statements above that if this were an OSU, PSU, or Iowa player everyone on this board would be laughing at fans of their team saying he should be kept. Especially the guy who said "internal punishment". Wow.
Disclaimer: i dont think this decision needs to be made right now or any time soon. No rash decision either way, please.
He already had baggage.
Hes proven to have some social media issues.
Those are minor things but this is a big thing.
Unless something new comes out of this, he should be gone. Imagree with statements above that if this were an OSU, PSU, or Iowa player everyone on this board would be laughing at fans of their team saying he should be kept. Especially the guy who said "internal punishment". Wow.
Disclaimer: i dont think this decision needs to be made right now or any time soon. No rash decision either way, please.
So are you going to be the first to declare his innocence?
I don't think anybody suggested only internal punishment. Of course punishment imposed by the courts would be the first form, and then punishment from NU. That punishment would probably include some sort of a suspension.
"For you and everyone else who thinks it is okay to presume to know how she should feel and react, that is a garbage take and you people are trash. " - Husker Todd
I agree, he did it. I don’t believe what he did deserves the level of punishment you do. I think the context does matter and will matter when a judgement is handed down. Telling me that speeding to the hospital with my pregnant wife is still speeding (analogy for our special posters) isn’t what I’m debating.
One poster did, but I agree he would be in the vast minority.
If its suspension only and not dismissal it would have to be a major one.
The athletic dept. seems to be waiting for more to come out about legally before deciding, which is good.
But as is, this isnt good, and I stand by the claim that if it were a rival fanbase we would all be singing andifferent tune.
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