Or, everything that needs to be discussed has been and there is no need to continue rehashing the same old stuff. But you feel free to claim “victory” if it makes you feel better.
Should Mo be kicked off the team?
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Or, everything that needs to be discussed has been and there is no need to continue rehashing the same old stuff. But you feel free to claim “victory” if it makes you feel better.
Good question. I don't believe it would apply to Mo because he had not enrolled yet. He hadn't even been accepted at that point (was still working on grades/test scores).
Yes, because the charges of an adult (not a kid) possessing child pornography and then using it to get back at someone who he likely knew would be humiliated by getting the video sent to her is the absolute equivalent of lifting a candy bar as a minor.
Dismissing him from the University of Nebraska if found guilty of this is obviously proportionate to sentencing to death as well.
I personally find the legal system incredibly ineffective, corrupt and overly punitive in the US. It is often twisted to perpetuate systemic racism and disproportionately impacts the poor and minorities. However, with that said I do think that there have to be consequences for breaches of the law, if Washington did what he was accused of, I don't think he belongs as a student athlete at Nebraska.
are you intimately familiar with the family or their history, or are you visualizing it in your crystal ball?
Said I would not comment on this mess but.............
Seems to me when I studied school law several years, the courts ruled that schools could dismiss or keep a student out of their school based on something that happened prior their enrollment. The ruling, if I recall correctly, is that schools have a duty to protect people to a certain extent. To give an extreme case, a senior in HS gets convicted of rape or assault on a female, could be denied, and at the college I attended, it did indeed happen.
During his recruitment it’s was stated he lacked a father figure and discipline. My crystal balls says your screen name is perfect. It is a play on redundant, right?
The people who brought those things up used them as examples to illustrate that ignorance of the law does not excuse the crime, this principle goes back thousands of years and was present in Roman times and is also referenced in the Old Testament of the bible.
That may be the case, but the code of conduct posted was written in such a way that this situation would not apply. It specifically said from enrollment on. We know for a fact that he wasn't even close to being enrolled at that time as he didn't have the grades & test scores necessary to be accepted.
I'm not as up to date on things as you on what happened...but there are some things that give me pause to wait for all of the facts before I pass any judgment...such as
I find it curious that the there were no charges of rape if that is what clearly took place in the video.....I'm not aware of what was said in the texts between Mo and his ex girlfriend and what might have precipitated his response....you seem to know what her intention was, but I have never seen the actual texts to make any assumptions....if my ex girlfriend was having sex with some of my classmates, I'm not sure that the call was a congratulatory call between friends...but again I don't know the details. After talking with several friends of mine that are judges, I'm not sure that there will be an actual case of child pornography and maybe just a case of sending the video without consent...again the courts will decide as I don't assume to know how this will play out. The ONLY fact that I really know is that he sent an inappropriate video to his ex girlfriend that he didn't ( and should have... deleted )....while the demonstrates poor judgment I'm willing to wait for this all to play out before I go "scorched earth on him".
His father died of cancer when he was 7 or 8, his dad had played for the Raiders.
It's good that you see yourself standing for fairness, but you're REALLY invested in defending Mo when you admit you don't know all the facts. You make a lot of assumptions, I waste time on the internet on work time and personal time equally. It's ironic to me that you've been here all day and yet you seem to want to keep track of an evaluate what "time on site" means for everyone else? Do you have some special status that doesn't apply to the rest of us?
To be fair, everyone is making assumptions here. Only one side of the story has been told and some are going apeshit already.
But it is okay for you to presume how she should feel and how she possibly did or did not react. Got it! I can't stop reading this post there is so much in this post that is amazing.
what is so difficult for people to let the legal system work and their personnel to earn their money? Why is mob rule so attractive? I am curious. Mob rule just seems like a waste of energy.
I could be wrong but I've really only seen a few posters concluding he's a POS and should be kicked off the team and prosecuted. A few think he should be gone to save our program from bad PR. Seems the vast majority agree to either wait and see or think he should have reasonable punishment. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
Where did I say I know how she feels? I am simply stating it is possible she lied to her parents. Taking into consideration the facts that we know. IE No charges being filed a year after the cops saw the video. Her only claiming rape after her parents saw it. That could, maybe, possibly suggest it didn't happen like she claims.
I am not saying it didn't happen. I haven't seen the tape, I haven't talked to the cops. You are saying these men are guilty going off of only the words of a teenager. I am saying she could be lying based off of facts, and evidence. I am not calling her a liar. I am saying it is possible she is. Could it still come out she was assaulted , sure it could. Wait until that comes out before declaring guilt and those of us who are skeptical trash.
Again with the insults. Classy.
Exactly!
You think she made it up! You are trash
By the way, I think the two guys are guilty of rape.
Okay.
The United States is a religiously free country, there’s no room for “its b/c it’s his will” in this thread when you can’t make a rational argument or when you state your belief or opinion as fact.
I never said "teens are the most moral and virtuous people in the world" if its me youre referring to. There you go with the hyperbole again.
You literally said in your first post that every teen has this on their phone or has done this. I disagreed with that assumption because its absolutely not true.
I never said that A) no one does this or B) that it isnt a problem.
You seem incabable of admitting that despite the fact that it does happen, there are absolutely many teens out there who do not engage in this stuff. I find your low, blanket opinion of teens not only wrong but a little degrading. Someone hurt you or something?
Even when given a source claiming 40%, your own twisted bias leads you to think its rational to just ignore that and say 'well heck Id say its 30% higher and expect you all to believe it or you dont live on earth, who cares what that study says, im right!'
Is this happening? Yes. Is it a problem? Yes. Is every kid who does this a bad kid? Of course not!
Are as many kids doing this as you, the almighty, say are? No.
Im guessing your response will contain more hyperbole, so dont bother.
Further, none of this makes what Mo did okay, and its really not even close to the same thing anyway.
I am reading what came out in the original article and his lawyer's statements, nobody knows what was in the video exactly outside of those who have seen it. Washington has already been charged with the crimes, a felony and a misdemeanor. We don't know for sure he sent the video, we know he's accused of sending the video and the text.
I am not going scorched earth on him, I was saying if it happened to my daughter I would do so.
How could you conclude from any of my posts that I’m behind the mob rule mentality. I think I’ve been completely transparent about letting the law and precedents set by the law in this case to be decided in the court room. Not an outcome fueled by the fear of media backlash or religious values.
I will say if this escalates like what happened to urb Nebraska and coach frost need to nip it asap and cut ties. Do damage control. I just can't figure out how bob stoops was able to survive the joe mixon deal
Maybe cause the video came out way later? Wasn't that the case?
Ehh, I don't know if cutting ties is necessary. Especially if he only gets probation. That would be a little overboard. The press hasn't been that bad (regarding NU, not Mo) and I think most people will be able to differentiate between something like this and actual sexual assault/rape since Mo had nothing to do with that aspect.
Huh? I am referencing thousands of years of legal practice that ignorance of law isn't considered a viable defense in criminal courts. I was using the Old Testament as a historical reference for dating purposes, not attempting to use religion as anything other than such.
How would you feel about your daughter and his response if the video actually proved that she consented....I’m not saying she did, but IF she did I can see where some may get claim what he said was true.
I didn't read all posts. I am just curious about the sociological phenomenon of people to be lead by a mob. Do you have any thoughts on the subject?
I don't know you in particular. I don't even remember the first post of yours that I commented about. So, no, I am not questioning your particular views on the rule of law. I don't know anything about your views or about how you think religious backgrounds influence (or not) mob rule. I have religious beliefs and believe in the rule or law and disdain mob rule. I try not to make any premature judgments, only that they be fair and unbiased.
thank you for your interest
i keep seeing a lot of the same arguments trying to say this isnt bad enough to kick him off the team, and some have to do with it being just some stupid teenage stuff. But this isnt a case where some girl willingly sent him a nude picture and he just happened to hold on to it past 18 making it "technically" child porn but not really the same as a child predator type thing. I would agree for the most part if that were the case, but it isnt.
This video was well known about at this school. Stuff went down with autorities. Theres no way the authorities didnt make it known that this video was child porn and illegal to have, not to mention she didnt want anyone to have it. He not only kept it, but kept it for a few years then sent it to her maliciously, knowing that it was a sex video involving a 15 year old. Now, I dont think he needs booted this instant as new information can come to light and he deserves due process, but if this is indeed true I dont know how you keep him.
And whether or not shes a horrible person really doesnt matter. Im sure the sex was consenual, but that doesnt matter.
This video was well known about at this school. Stuff went down with autorities. Theres no way the authorities didnt make it known that this video was child porn and illegal to have, not to mention she didnt want anyone to have it. He not only kept it, but kept it for a few years then sent it to her maliciously, knowing that it was a sex video involving a 15 year old. Now, I dont think he needs booted this instant as new information can come to light and he deserves due process, but if this is indeed true I dont know how you keep him.
And whether or not shes a horrible person really doesnt matter. Im sure the sex was consenual, but that doesnt matter.
If it is all true, there is no way he is staying on the team. He will be gone for sure.
Also, by saying the sex was consensual you better be ready to be attacked.
Honestly, no different, my response to Washington would likely be different than the response to the individuals accused of the assault. My anger would be directed to why this person thought it was okay to send my daughter a copy of the video 2-3 years after it happened.
You would have no anger towards your 15 year old daughter having a filmed 3some? Man, I would.
Hey, fun times, actual new facts in this.
Washington will voluntarily travel back to CA to deal with this rather than go through the warrant process, his lawyer is obviously negotiating to get the charges reduced or dismissed as he should as his lawyer.
Washington will voluntarily travel back to CA to deal with this rather than go through the warrant process, his lawyer is obviously negotiating to get the charges reduced or dismissed as he should as his lawyer.
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